Tinderbox
Tinderbox 5.12.2
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Tinderbox is a personal content management assistant. It stores your notes, ideas, and plans. It can help you organize and understand them. And Tinderbox helps you share ideas through Web journals and Web logs.

Tinderbox's agents automatically scan your notes, looking for patterns and building relationships. Agents help discover relationships and help make sure important things don't get lost. Agents are easy to make and easy to modify. They're flexible and powerful.

Tinderbox can even gather and update changing information and breaking news from the
What's New
Version 5.12.2:
  • Turned off link sorting in the LinkViewer
  • Fixed a map drawing recursion
  • Small changes to CeresReader to prepare for Tinderbox 6
Requirements
Intel, OS X 10.6 or later



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Tinderbox User Discussion (Write a Review)
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burypromote
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sjk commented on 13 Dec 2012
Changes in minor Tinderbox revisions aren't usually listed under WHAT'S NEW so here's where/how to find them:

Tinderbox Forum - Where do I find Tinderbox release notes?
http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/forum//YaBB.pl?num=1339719633
[Version 5.12.0]

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Alex replied on 13 Dec 2012
Thank you! I was looking for the change log all over.

You just made it easier to find them.
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BananeQuantique reviewed on 29 May 2012
I would describe Tinderbox as a monster truck for the mind. In Tinderbox you create notes (things with attributes, like a text, a color, a whatever) and it provides a set of tools for them.
Although not very beautiful and suffering from some usability problems, it's the most powerful and open environment for information management. It allows you to progressively discover the structure of ideas and experiment with them. I make Tinderboxes for managing my to-do lists, writing my web site, taking notes at work, and I just regret it doesn't wash dishes for you.

While not exactly a perfect program, notably because of crappy support for anything graphic or external scripting, among other things, it's still the closest thing to perfection. You learn to live with it. Plus, this artisanal software is made by only one guy who spent some decades researching about this kind of software. He obviously knows what he's doing. If it sounds interesting, try it, then either love or hate.
[Version 5.11.0]


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Alex reviewed on 07 Feb 2012
I love Tinderbox.

A feature I would ilke to see is Full Screen under Lion.

In version 5.10.1 this is still not possible :(
[Version 5.10.1]


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zuluwarrior reviewed on 27 Jan 2012
I use Tinderbox as an outliner. It is the best outliner on the Mac, albeit a rather pricey one. But there is more, much much more. I peeked my head beyond the safety of the land of Outline View. Some of these other lands are knows as Map View and Timeline View. I've even seen dragons there. One day I'll doff my helmet and trusty view and do battle in these faraway lands.
[Version 5.10.0]


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Szeoli reviewed on 06 May 2011
First of all, version 5.9 is much more than a maintenance fix and polishing, as it states under "What's New."

Tinderbox is one of the more inspired programs you can use for managing your notes and information on a Mac. It's true that to harness all its power takes a steep learning curve, but you can get a great deal of use from Tinderbox using its most basic features. It's my go-to application when I have a problem that needs solving or if I have to make sense of a tangle of data.
[Version 5.9.0]


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Exegete77 reviewed on 06 May 2011
I have been using Tinderbox for five months. What a power house! I am only at the edges of what it can do, but I am growing more fond of it all the time. Along with the stability and value, this makes Tinderbox one of my first choices for most projects.
[Version 5.9.0]


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Notimetoulouse commented on 20 Jan 2011
It's worth going over to Eastgate via the link below - Twig looks very promising, and there appears to be a 25% discount if you buy before release (which is probably why it's not been put up on MU yet). I'm still playing with the all the bells and whistles, but it has great functionality.
[Version 5.7.1]


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Zx81 reviewed on 11 Dec 2010
I've been trying to use Tinderbox for a few years, loved the cloud view and the capacity to create connections between texts, ideas, thoughts, notes ; but the learning curve is so steep (well, for me...)
I tried to suggest Twig as a similar app but it does not seem to be present on MacUpdate.
A pity, because the app looks very promising as a mixture betwween Tinderbox and Notational velocitiy!
[Version 5.7.1]

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Eastgate replied on 17 Dec 2010
Get your free demo of Twig at http://www.eastgate.com/Twig/
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Zx81 replied on 17 Dec 2010
I bought Tinderbox a few years ago and stopped upgrading. I wonder whether
burypromote
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Zx81 replied on 17 Dec 2010
Argh, my reply was cut!!!
I bought Tinderbox a few years ago and stopped upgrading. I wonder whether I should upgrade Tinderbox or buy Twig...
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Tedg reviewed on 10 Sep 2010
I would define Tinderbox as an integration of four things.

- it is an outliner in the ordinary sense with tree structure. It is a particularly rich outliner compared to others, with clones and special tools. Each note is cleverly designed to have an open set of attributes and everything is an attribute: note location in the hierarchy, fonts, colors badges and so on. Most of these are changeable by the user or automated agents. Attributes provide a deep, consistent and easy way to work with outlines.

- it is a typed link hypertext environment. You can make links, usually by simply dragging, among notes and text blocks. These links have a user-definable type system, which is about the closest you can get to a machine-understandable structure that reflects human cognitive constructs. This is a hyper-text or better, “meta-text” system.

- it is a programming environment where the programs understand attributes and links and can act on those, changing some. A built in language, tailored for this is provided, and you can move to shell scripting for a greater capability if you wish. The native file format is XML, and you can manipulate that directly as well. Most attributes associated with notes can be modified. This programming power extends to Tinderbox publishing and export, making it the most powerful XML document producer I know.

- it is a graphical environment for spatially presenting and creating concepts and their relationships. In this sense, it is more Mac-like (in terms of the System 9 Spatial Finder) than the Mac currently is.

If you are limited to thinking about files with static tags, you will find this challenging. If you are looking for something strong in snipping and media management, look elsewhere for a complimentary application (I use EagleFiler). If you are not prepared to think seriously about you work and can improve how you work - and invest in growing as you tailor this tool, you will be better off using something simpler out of the box.

The price is trivial if you use it and it enhances your creativity even a small amount. In my case, I am an order of magnitude beyond that threshold.
[Version 5.5.4]

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Psychiatry replied on 21 Dec 2011
I own Tinderbox. I read the book "The Tinderbox Way". I used Tinderbox.

Eventually, I realized it was not a tool for what I do.

It has an outliner. But it is far slower to use than OmniOutliner Pro. You can't brainstorm graphically as quickly as a mind-mapping software like Inspiration or NovaMind. And the graphics are better in these applications for presentation.

It is nice to be able to add attributes to any note. This way, you can organize the information later to find patterns in the information or gain some insight for the information. The problem is that I already do this in my head. Having to manually add attributes slows me down.

Tinderbox essentially turns outlining into adding records into a free-form but limited database with numerous fields. It is useful if you don't have a structure for a database in mind since you can set the attributes the way you want - thus it is more free-style. But once you have the structure for the information, Tinderbox actually slows me down since the interface isn't as nice as a customized database from Filemaker.

You can store data in it. But I think DEVONthink Pro is far better for randomly or categorically storing information.

For writing, it doesn't have the structure that Scrivener has. Scrivener also has an outliner. And you can also store your notes in Scrivener.

Tinderbox is like a database but cannot be used for huge data sets since it is not a database - it will bog down when there is too much data. It doesn't index its information like databases commonly do for rapid retrieval. For random information, DEVONThink Pro is better.

Yes, it has programmability. You can even use it to create websites. But this creates a lot of complexity which isn't useful for the Tinderbox's core function - organizing notes. I prefer doing the programming in a database like Filemaker or 4D if I want something complex.

Yes, it can graphically present the information. But the graphics are PRIMITIVE and not as attractive or polished like Omnigraffle or even the mind-mapping apps. It cannot present like Keynote.

What I think Tinderbox is useful for is data which is unstructured for which you want to find relationships, develop a schema. Thus, all the work to add attributers to each note. If you do not have a schema for your information, Tinderbox allows you to find one.

The problem for me is that I like doing this all in my head. And I already know the data and its structure and its schema. I just want the data in front of me. And for data that already has a structure, Tinderbox is not as useful compared to more specialized software like Omnioutliner, Filemaker, Scrivener, etc.

Yes, it has a difficult learning curve. But the problem is the interface. XCode is far easier and clearer to use than Tinderbox. And XCode and Mac Programming are an order of magnitude more complicated.

Tinderbox's interface is PRIMITIVE and UGLY. It is quirky. It does not act like a modern Mac OS X application. This makes it harder to use off the bat. And it is a turn-off for a long-time Mac User like me, who expects better. After a while, I simply did not like using it. It feels like a Windows 3.0 application or something from the 1990s. On a Mac, I like beautiful and powerful application interfaces that are intuitive to use. Tinderbox is not beautiful. If you are going to use something 24-hours a day, it better be beautiful. Even Photoshop has a more intuitive interface than Tinderbox.

I bought Tinderbox for its potential despite how EXPENSIVE it is. I hope the author continue to improve on it. I applaud it. It is quirky because he is quirky. It is his vision. He is the only programmer working on the application. That is a strength and a weakness.
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Just A User reviewed on 23 Aug 2010
be aware that they removed image support from 5.0 onwards. They say they will fix that, but seeing is believing. I payed for it some months ago when it still had (rudimentary) image support. Oh well, the "upgrades"/year are just $98,- and who knows, they might just add image support ...
[Version 5.5.4]

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Eastgate replied on 01 Sep 2010
Image support will be back shortly. If you've got an urgent need, contact Eastgate directly.
burypromote
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Eastgate replied on 10 May 2011
Images are back in tinderbox 5.9
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skipping-stones rated on 18 Mar 2013

[Version 5.12.1]



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Exegete77 rated on 23 Jan 2013

[Version 5.12.1]



Psshfr1 rated on 23 Jan 2013

[Version 5.12.1]



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Eastgate rated on 15 Jul 2012

[Version 5.11.2]



cantor rated on 06 Jun 2012

[Version 5.11.0]



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Exegete77 rated on 24 Apr 2012

[Version 5.10.5]



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Greedyfranky rated on 16 Mar 2012

[Version 5.10.2]



Rbowes1 rated on 05 Mar 2012

[Version 5.10.1]



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Exegete77 rated on 20 Dec 2011

[Version 5.10.0]



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Eastgate rated on 10 Aug 2011

[Version 5.9.3]


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Date:31 Aug 2013
Platform:Intel 32 / OS X
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Tinderbox is a personal content management assistant. It stores your notes, ideas, and plans. It can help you organize and understand them. And Tinderbox helps you share ideas through Web journals and Web logs.

Tinderbox's agents automatically scan your notes, looking for patterns and building relationships. Agents help discover relationships and help make sure important things don't get lost. Agents are easy to make and easy to modify. They're flexible and powerful.

Tinderbox can even gather and update changing information and breaking news from the internet.

When it's time to share your notes, Tinderbox can assemble multiple notes into one page. Updates are a breeze -- even if you update several times a day. Private notes, timestamps, permanent links, archives: everything you want, just the way you want it.


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