Adobe Creative Cloud for Mac5.4.1.534

What has got into Creative Cloud? The most recent version of Bridge, in particular, does not work at all on my system, a MacBook Pro with the latest Mac OS, Big Sur 11.1, installed. When I try to open a folder in Bridge, the colored wheel keeps on spinning, and the process gives up. After my latest attempt to install it, and one successful opening, the software crashed every time I tried to start using it. I had to cancel the subscription long before expiration time, which has set me back 480 SEK for nothing. Adobe's owners must be greediy mafia bosses! I have now switched to using Pixelmator Pro instead.

This is the most evil software I've ever seen that is not, strictly speaking, malware. It's spyware, bloatware, and adware. Spyware? On launch, it connects to about 40 hosts, including analytics company New Relic. Bloatware? Installing it downloads about 460 MB per computer. Adobe Application Manager, Adobe Creative Cloud, Adobe Creative Cloud Experience, and Adobe Sync (all in /Applications/Utilities) together take up 448 MB. This might be foregivable if the Mac had no good package installer, but Apple provides a quite decent package utility. But it's worse. Almost every time I launch Creative Cloud Desktop, it tells me an update is available, and all updates seem to be mandatory, so that's another 460 MB or so per computer. It puts updating my software on Adobe's schedule, not mine. When a new update is released, I selfishly wait a while to let others do the beta testing. That's especially true for Creative Cloud Desktop, which in the past had a bug that randomly deleted files. So say a new version of Photoshop is released. I wait a while, then launch Creative Cloud Desktop to update Photoshop. But I discover that Creative Cloud Desktop has just been updated, so I wait a while before risking downloading it. By then, Photoshop has been updated again and I'm back to the beginning. It's even worse. I wanted to uninstall an old version of Photoshop to free up some badly needed space. I ran Uninstall Adobe Photoshop CC 2017 and Creative Cloud Desktop launched! Of course with a mandatory update. I had to install new software to free up space. I might have been out in the field, with no Internet access, desperately needing space, and unable to uninstall an old version of Photoshop. Adware? Every time I launch Creative Cloud Desktop (when there's not a mandatory update), it's telling me about some wonderful new Adobe software or service of absolutely no interest to me. What I really want is just to download three packages (Photoshop, Bridge, Camera Raw), then use the Mac package utility to install them on all my computers. I download once on my schedule and install on my schedule. Creative Cloud Desktop launches automatically after installation or an update. If it contained any malware, the malware has already run. I want to install a package, scan the installed application for malware, and only then launch it. Finally, I have to log in to Creative Cloud Desktop, meaning I have to trust it to transport my credentials securely. If I don't trust Apple's TLS implementation in Safari, I can use a different browser, including an open source browser. With Adobe I have no choice. If I were younger and not hopelessly trapped in the Photoshop ecosystem, I'd be seriously looking at alternatives like GIMP, Skylum Luminar, or Capture One.

The hate is based on the fact that once they have you and your files, you are locked into Adobe's parasitic bleeding - and what a surprise, the fees doubled overnight last week. Pay up or lose your work. Parasitic work practice - may be good for bottom line but not for thinking users, especially when Pixelmator (USD$30) offers features of Photoshop and Illustrator .

Simply cannot understand the hate. Adobe CC is brilliant.

This app needs the dark mode option.

Superbad

Truly the worst program. I don't wish ill upon anyone (even in these dark times) but the person/ people responsible for this program need to be fired. It's just appalling, awful, no responsibility is taken by the people who've taken your subscription money when the program fails (and I guarantee you it will/ does). This program stops you working.

Adobe CSS is a textbook case of what happens when one corporation enjoys a monopoly on a product or service in a capitalist economy. There's only one known cure for the kind of crap many people have mentioned below -- they are in urgent need of competition to keep them honest and force t hem to put out quality products. I am amazed that other developers haven't responded to the challenge of putting out software that can compete with such CSS components as Dreamweaver. If they did a decent job this would surely prove immensely profitable since there are very many of us who would walk away from Adobe products in a heartbeat, given the chance.

This the software that gets stuck or crashes the most on my Mac (OSX 10.11.5). It used to be Microsoft Office but Adobe beat them by far. To be fair, Microsoft made progress and the Office for Mac 2016 is more reliable. After a few days without rebooting my computer, Creative cloud won't detect Lightroom and Photoshop installed on my computer until I reboot my Mac. I rarely reboot my computer (only when updates require it actually). I can kill Creative Cloud, restart it, kill everything containing “adobe” in its name in the activity monitor, it doesn't help, I need to reboot. And so far (one year) I had to uninstall/reinstall completely two times already, because even the reboot didn't help. I can't believe Adobe produce this kind of crap. Oh, and I changed computer in the middle of this delightful year with Creative Cloud: I didn't restore from Time Machine, I set the new mac up from scratch, so I am certain this issue is not related to my Mac: indeed, it is still happening on the new Mac.

Direct URL to 3.7.0.272 update download anyone? Please

To me (I have been working with Adobe products since 1994) it seems that Adobe has changed their focus from producing software for creatives to become a data harvester. Nowadays the applications perform an uncomfortable amount of undocumented and suspicious server calls not only at the start of an application but also intermittently. Adobe refuses to disclose what information is being extracted from the user's computer (Red flag!). In case of Photoshop there haven not been many useful improvements in years. Old bugs and inconveniences prevail and do I need to mention that organizing brushes into folders has been a long standing request which would be exactly how much effort to do for one of the biggest software companies out there...? Instead users are being milked monthly, and all focus seems to go into binding them as close as possible to the Adobe dungeon. It is sad to see that once an exciting ally to professional creatives has now turned into something... that feels almost hostile. I am excited to see competition rising slowly and hopefully take over the industry standard some day.

best design suite ever... but please Adobe fix ALL the inconsistencies in all the apps UI. And please for a subscriber can we get at least 100gb for creative cloud files huh???

Just not working at the moment. Perennial spinning ball when it comes to updating Apps (perhaps it's most important task?). I would view having any working versions of LR & PS as an achievement in itself - but you won't have up to date copies with the Creative Could Desktop app.

As Lauren Bacall might say, "Reel it in, boys. Your greed is showing."

Goodbye Adobe. . . HELLO Affinity!!!

Goodbye Adobe. . . HELLO Affinity!!!

I upgraded from Adobe CS5 to Adobe CS6 right when this whole greedy subscription nonsense began, and I don't regret it one bit. I will continue to use CS6 until Apple upgrades make it impossible to use. At that point, I will choose an alternative app -- possibly Pixelmator -- to replace CS6.

I understand that large corporations and companies are happy with Adobe's subscription model. However, as has been stated many times here, there are many of us who are not corporate giants. Neither do we own large businesses or even small shops.

We are quite often single individuals who simply want the best tools for designing our websites. We have very limited budgets, and perhaps -- like myself -- live on a fixed monthly income. We cannot afford to be dishing out $600 annually to Adobe. Neither do we feel the need to update our software every year.

The fact that Adobe's apps stop working -- and from what I have read, all personal work is lost and becomes inaccessible -- upon terminating a subscription, makes this subscription model all the more sour and undesirable.

It is people like us who Adobe has pretty much abandoned now, because all they care about is Big Money. They need to remember their roots from a few decades ago. They need to be reminded that it was people like me and you who gave them their start, and that they wouldn't even be where they are at today if it wasn't for us scraping together enough money to purchase their expensive products.

This money-driven world is for the birds, and may the birds poop on Adobe's products. After CS6, I am done with them, after 22 years of using their products!

I recommended my company move to the subscription service a year ago. This week when I upgraded one machine to the latest versions of CC 2014, all my main apps opened but documents were "frozen" - four hours of phone calls later and two hours of setting up a new profile on my machine, I will never again recommend this subscription service. First they said it was caused by deleting the older CC versions, then they changed their minds and said it was a known font issue, then they changed their minds again and said it was the profile of my machine. So the only solution was to create another profile which was extremely disruptive and I had no use of my machine the whole day. Their version of "support" (first level and supervisors was a joke). I had no problems before installing upgrades, now everything is a mess.

With Apple's recent big push into cloud services in Yosemite one has to wonder what to make of 3rd party developers like Adobe coming out with their own offerings. When an OS manufacture like Apple comes out with a cloud solution it seems like a logical natural step. 3rd party developers simply tap into the storage provided by the OS so they only deal with one service. Why should I have one service for Adobe products and then another for all other software developers?

Creative Cloud and Creative Cloud desktop app are different things. This is an update to the desktop app, a small utility to install Adobe apps, access Behance, use the CC virtual disk and enable TypeKit fonts. In its initial releases, CC app was a nightmare, but Adobe solved all the issues and now it is working quite well. In other hand, for me Creative Cloud rent is much cheaper than perpetual licenses as Adobe unified prices for Americas. After a dubious start, Adobe keeped the word and released several updates during the first year –especially for Photoshop, InDesign and Muse. Integration was improved and corrections were usually quick. Behance pro account, TypeKit, BC hosting and the CC disk are nice additions, although not decisive. TypeKit is surely the weaker point of the bundle. The fonts are limited in a number of ways for both desktop and web usage. If one need to rely on a certain font, it still better to fully license it. BC hosting offers five sites, but with the more basic plan. It would be better to have a choice on this –say, one full hosting with e-coomerce or five baic ones.

The TypeKit that comes with Adobe Creative Cloud is a joke. It contains virtually none of the fonts contained in the Adobe Font Folio. An Adobe representative tried to persuade us to go with TypeKit over Font Folio, but failed to realize that fonts like Helvetica Neue LT Std (the most popular font family) is not included in TypeKit. There are many fonts for web use in TypeKit, but for correct font licensing for print the TypeKit is a very poor product.

Creative Cloud is almost certainly the worst version of the Adobe Creative Suite software to date. It took our IT department months to configure firewalls and rules to simply get the product to install correctly. Adobe has now abandoned professional graphic artists who use tools for print production on a daily basis. The Creative Cloud caters to people who want to use this software at home on a rental basis. We use this stuff EVERY DAY, and deploy software to over 40 workstations. The Creative Cloud for Teams solution is horrible to administer and deploy. Give me a volume license any day over this poorly thought out rental product.

The money I make each month from graphic design and photography easily pays for $29 I spend for CC. There was no way my firm was going to budget for all these apps individually, so getting the video editing and creation products was a nice bonus. The rental model is not for everyone however, but in my case it was the best solution. And having access to a lot of the Adobe type library is cool.

From "What's New": You can now install older versions of Adobe products straight from Creative Cloud Desktop. These are installed side-by-side with existing versions. Can I sign up for a month, download CS6, then cancel my subscription and continue using it, or will the older versions stop working when I discontinue my subscription?

Apart from the fact that you can rack up a bill larger than the total cost of ownership of previous versions after a relatively short time, there are severe privacy implications. How much data will CC ACTUALLY collect on you and your usage of this product? If you're on the road (e.g., photographer, business trip) and unable to get online, how usable will this product be? If anything this new cloud based system will encourage piracy as people make a crack for this easily downloadable product for those who find this cloud based systems offensively intrusive, expensive and a constraint to their work. As for me, as soon as CS6 is outdated I'll be looking for alternatives and it won't be cloud based or from Adobe that is now blacklisted from our company.

Rent software? Can't possibly be good--for me. Where is the middle finger key?

I suspect I’ll be in small minority when I say this, but… For us, Creative Cloud has been great. I totally get how this is a terrible move from the perspective of the small shop that doesn’t need to upgrade every year. But for me, it means not having to argue the justification for upgrades (and hope the budget gets approved) every year, or track serial numbers (a tedious job that must be meticulously maintained). And Creative Cloud for Teams has brought a godsend for license management— someone leave? Simply remove their email address. Someone needs Photoshop? Simply add their email to the Teams page. Like I said, I see how independent contractors and small shops would hate this. I get that. But not all of us think so.

Yawn.... Adobe has seen the last of my money.

I see Adobe replaced the Application Manager with Creative Cloud on my Mac yesterday, and decided to have it as a startup item. I can understand one line of reasoning that their apps are expensive, and this way you get all the updates and upgrades to new versions. But I have no interest in renting software that's going to stop working when I decide not to keep paying them money every month. Not everyone needs to upgrade to the newest versions after all. Looks like Microsoft decided to copy Adobe. Hopefully this is not the way of the future.

CC also means Cash Cow

I need more than one app like Photoshop but not the rest of the crap which is the only other option. In the US the monthly cost is $49.99, in the UK £46.88 & in France €61.49. At the current exchange rate using the US price as a base UK should be £31.90 & France €37.28 give or take. The concept is fine but the pricing & structure will force a lot of small business to either not upgrade or as I suspect find a way around it unless they stop ripping us off, especially in Europe.

I'm going to miss using Photoshop and Illustrator at home after CS6 stops working. It's an ugly situation, and I'm afraid other software manufacturers and going to jump on the greed bandwagon also. Especially if Adobe is able to pull it off. It's not too hard to do when you have little competition to worry about.

You are done Adobe. I will not pay you monthly rent for every program. You do not respect your users anymore.

Like most other longtime Adobe customers, I am sickened by Adobe's greed with their Creative Cloud subscription model. The petition against it is over 30,000 so far... https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

greedy. bloated. bugs never fixed. support below zero. updates always far to expensive. and now forced updates. I feel like a factory farming animal. like a cow to be milked for what it's worth. I had enough. bye bye greedobe!

I think MacUpdate should no longer include AdobeCC in normal software update feeds. I also think that there should be a special category for rental/subscription types of programs. You have Commercial, Demo, Shareware, Free. CC no longer fits any of those categories. It would only be reasonable to expect a class for SUBSCRIPTION FEE REQUIRED - That ceases to be functional if you choose to leave the subscription. To me, that does not really seem like useful software.

Hmmm no more Creative Suite... pretty huge news: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/

As Dr Evil said to Frau Farbissima after their unplanned intimacy, "It got weird, didn't it?" I started up Photoshop and wasn't sure if my graphics card had exploded or my computer had been taken over by some new virus. And a black interface. For Photoshop. Why? Of course. Because of Aperture. Oh, geez Louise. 5.5 was purring and I went and did this. To myself. Time to get some sleep and then de-install. It'll take forever, but what is time? The Universe is vast. Life is eternal. Adobe, your take on "art" in graphical interface is astonishingly vapid and banal. Even "style" eludes you. Perhaps you should just go for "functionality". And installers that work. And apps that don't weight a metric ton. Back to 5.5 for me. Thinking about 6? Think about using that money to get your teeth cleaned, or a trip to Hawaii. I'm just sayin'...

I LOVE ADOBE, without them, I would be stuck with Apple Motion/FCP (which are just crap for home video papas) or still working on Combustion. After Effects/Premiere are the ultimate tools for motion graphic designers, integrating flawlessly with photoshop/illustrator. Of course, there are some things missing, there are always extra features I would want to see in AE, but for the price, Creative Suite is an incredible toolbox for photographers, videographers and designers. Some says "it does not integrate with the 3-fingers page turn effect on my trackpad" or "does not use Lion (should say iPad) full set of features), well, i'll say it is a good thing; no professional want its workspace turned into a gadget

Updates now only directly from Adobe and they offer subscriptions at the same price for users since CS3, make me disappointed to upgrade regularly. Price is again almost twice what it is in the US for Australia yet no difference in Language. Besides the general problems, the 64 bit versions feel quicker, a lot of effort has gone yet again to make the apps look differently, changing the interphase, WHY??? Yet other little things that would make our everyday live easier have not made it into this version, even after suggesting and asking for them repeatedly. Wonder if they read the feedback emails and which lists? All I wanted is a modifier key to automatically switch between align to election and align to canvas. Like pressing command and clicking on the centre button aligns object to the canvas, while clicking without holding down a key or maybe hold down option or shift and align to selection. Apparently this is very difficult to do. This would speed my work flow up much more than content aware patches or other fancy things.

Does anyone else think that the new CS6 graphics, icons and splash screen design is the ugliest ever? The garish colors!? The dumb splash screen graphics!? What were they thinking? Were Adobe's art directors and designers on crack and acid at the same time?

So far, I like the new versions of the suite. There are no big things that jump out at you (at least so far in my short time with the demos), but everything has a fresher look and feel, especially applications like Dreamweaver, which feels more like an Adobe program.

I can not review C6 because I can not buy it. Except for a very few feature additions and upgrades, my CS5.5 remains at C3 level in almost all respects. To critique Adobe's "suites" would be like re-writing "Moby Dick." I just don't have the time. I own The Creative Suite Master Collection. I would advise anyone who decides to do a reinstall - to fix issues - to consider the effects of reinstallation. Firstly, it's many hours of your life. Secondly, it'll double the amount of CRUFT (unused junk files) thrown into every corner of your Mac. And anyone who thinks that using the Creative Suite Cleaner Tool between installs will help: be warned. It just makes matters worse and seems to increase the number of files. Also, reinstallation usually produces twice the number of system errors. Unlike regular terrestrial software, Adobe seems to want to number each file, so when a reinstall occurs, xxx.bom becomes xxx2.bom. Advice for those whose work-flow does not rely on these ridiculously gargantuan software collections: install ONLY the tools you will absolutely need. Uninstalling a version of Flash Pro that you won't use later will leave many megabytes of files behind, and the erasure of ONE of those files may make Dreamweaver unusable. Use a tool like Devon Tech's free 'Easy Find' to look at the collateral damage after a so-called "uninstall". Advice for those who've had enough: when it becomes possible, reinstall Lion (or your favorite OS) using a clean install. Adobe obviously believes that Mac users are such a 'niche' market that we'll just go away. Well... come to think of it, yes we will.

Yes, a post about the pricing. I can find no prices on the Australian Adobe website with the exception of the monthly membership price which is some AUS$13 higher than the price listed on the US site, depsite the AUS$ being valued higher than the US$ at the moment. I wonder what little extras we'll get for the extra dollars here in the land of OZ? I bet the full product pricing will be exorbitantly higher as well as per usual. I can only scratch my head in amazement at Adobe's continuing price gauging pricing policy.

I HATE ADOBE ! Just purchased the CS5.5 (as my CANVAS is obsolete on Lion). After entering the code I received with the "product", got a note saying that "this serial number is not valid for this product". ADOBE is the WORST company ever ... I wish they'll cease.

Just a word about upgrades... Adobe has a very terrible policy and an even worse implementation of information on their upgrade policy for any Adobe graphics/web products!! As we found out the hard way, Adobe will not allow you to upgrade your previous (in this case) Illustrator software if it was part of the Creative Suite bundle; no upgrading individual CS components from a previous suite. So regardless of the fact that you have a folder on your computer that is named Adobe Illustrator CSx with a program inside named Adobe Illustrator CSx that when opened presents a splash screen stating Adobe Illustrator CSx, you cannot upgrade to Illustrator CS5. In addition, other than a small link at the bottom of the product page leading you to an upgrade eligibility "tool" page (which in turn gives a rather ambiguous answer), nothing on the page or in the store page informs you of what is or is not required to upgrade other than a copy of "Adobe Illustrator CS4, CS3 or CS2"...of which I indeed have. This is a ludicrous money-grabbing policy that has pretty much cemented our department and company (on my strong advice) to stay away from upgrades for Adobe software. Remember when Quark did this crap...and remember what happened to Quark?! (FYI...I'd rather read a Russian newspaper than watch a Flash ad!)

WTF? CS5 and Spaces are STILL NOT working properly togehter!

First impressions. I mainly work with the three design apps, InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop. I have not tried out the other applications except for Bridge. Of the three, only InDesign would work properly. Illustrator consistently crashes when you quit so none of the settings are preserved. Photoshop behaves pretty much the same way but instead of crashing, it gives an error message, "Could not save Preferences because the file is locked or you do not have the necessary access privileges..." I tried uninstalling and reinstalling Illustrator and Photoshop with the same result afterwards. This is installed on a MacPro3,1 running Snow Leopard 10.6.3. No problems to date running CS4. Acrobat Pro was also damaged by the installation so I had to uninstall and reinstall it from the CS4 installer disk. So the only program that I have been able to spend some time with was InDesign. There are several nifty features, e.g., the span/split columns feature, a much improved control palette, and better transformation and control of placed images. From the standpoint of a designer/printer, would the $600 upgrade cost from CS4 be worth it? Probably not. I had no choice because the majority of my work is from designers who work with different versions of the Creative Suite products. By the way, InDesign CS5 no longer exports to INX format (CS3-compatible). It only does IDML which can be read in CS4 or better.

Does anyone know if the 20-installation limit Adobe introduced in their previous version continues to be the case in CS5? I know this is difficult to tell from reading the licence, since it was never documented in the EULA or disclosed elsewhere, but any "inside info" at this point would be appreciated, given that it is the sole reason I am not upgrading.

I used to swear by Macromedia's versions and was even loyal after Adobe came along. I stuck around until CS3 was released and it because apparent that Adobe just did not value Mac Users. What a horrible time it was... as the software developer was cashing in big time I was constantly of my freezing and crashing while trying to be productive for my client base. Let's be honest here, We all thought CS4 would bring some nice improvements to the mac versions because of how bad CS3 was... but we are burned again. I believe adobe sees the issue we all have here with their price cuts for CS5 but it's still $2K. I am still feeling shady about all the time I lost with the DW freeze-ups (on a top of the line mac pro) from this version, at my hourly rate I could have bought a subscription all the way through CS9. Hear me and consider this, YOU are only as good as your tools, to be the best you will want to find alternatives to Adobe wherever you can, this is not (or should not be) the standard any longer, at least until Adobe actually starts using the software themselves to see what we are going through with the quality they slew out to us.

Adobe's installations/updates have always been all over the place. The lack of even a hint of common sense or user insight is just "Adobe". Decades of pleading cujoling, imploring etc have done nothing for me. Good luck in trying to get them to listen. PS. Less bugs would be nice as well, but marketing doesn't seem to think that amounts to a feature.

Just got my hands on Dreamweaver. It's way too early to pass judgment on the CS5 version but I can tell you something that already has me hugely pissed off. I skipped CS4 and had been using CS3 until today, and had invested a lot of time in effort in customizing it to behave as I want, in adding special commands of my own and then using Keyboard Maestro to set up keyboard equivalents to invoke each one, and so forth. Then I install CS5 but none of my customization was transferred to the new version. I had to do all the heavy lifting myself by going to User>Library>Application Support>Adobe and making changes manually. Niormally, when you update a piece of software the installer does most if not all of this stuff for you. Why can't Adobe manage to do the same? This is truly annoying, and for the price Adobe charges the customer ought to be treated like a king.

Installed, used for an hour (especially fireworks), this can be considered a bug fix for CS4 that should have been released 7 days after CS4 was released... So I don't really get how adobe thinks changing a freaking version name entitles them to charge you this massive price to get what most of us have paid already for it (a little bit of stability and almost the same functionality)... I sold my cs4 months ago... and I wouldn't pay more than 200 pound to get this suite... it's the exact amount of money that would repay the effort adobe put into this product... "keep up the great work guys", I'll stick with pixelmator, drawit and sketch...

SUPPORT ALERT: Error "Licensing for this product has stopped working" when you launch Acrobat 9 or Adobe Creative Suite 4 products. Nice one Adobe... This costs us one productive day again! So wait a little when you update adobe CS4 automatically. It corrupts the whole install of CS4 ending up reinstalling or fixing things manually.

Too expensive, too unreliable... Is Adobe 'microsofting' again? First - kill competitors, than kill customers with ridiculous prices, buggish software and terrible support. I will spend my money somewhere else this time.

Hi exphotoshop But they HAVE reorganized the old scrap lastly!!?? After nearly 20 years. That should have been done many years ago, of course, but now, after many updates (money, money, money ;-) they finally did it. So you don't have to wait for the integrated pizza-topping designer in Photoshop 14 ;-) As always and in every version, the new Photoshop CS4 seems to be a hugh step forwards, although the redesign took them far to long, there are some usefull enhancements now. So lets buy a new Mac for it as usual and let the Apple & Adobe twins get what they like most of you. They deserve it ;-) Buy a new Mac for a new Adobe and a new Adobe for a new Mac (OS), the twins have tricked you this way for so long now, why should you stop it? ;-) Just take it sportly, ping-pong is a nice game. As everybody knows, your work can't be done with 2 or 3 years old computers or apps, thats impossible, your work stinks then, no one will pay you anymore and consequently you will die of hunger and frustration. And that wouldn't be fine, but hey, gladly there are Adobe and Apple to save your life every day. ;-) I think as long as people are willing to pay a lot of money for the minor enhancements, apps will never be "finished", 20 years old or not. And actual America really needs your money, the american politicans have ordered their citizens to pay 700 billion dollars to a now bankrupt bank industrie that nearly ruined their whole country, the representatives want to assure this way that the vermins can continue with their benedictional business as usual. And both Adobe and Apple pay high taxes as everyone knows, so help please America and buy CS4 ;-) Need more reasons to buy CS 4? Just ask ;-) And thanks for the Nikon Capture NX tip, I will have an eye on it. Sorry for my bad english, I work in the bank business.

- Alltogether now, a one-two-three-four: money money money - for adobe must be funny - in a dumbhead world tralla la la lallala la... Stop it Adobe, bugfix CS 2 and CS 3 first. Many of your customers (customers = the people were your money comes from) have paid a lot of money for working app-collections twice, for CS 2 and later CS 3, both siutes are still very buggy, so bugfix them - ultimately - don't you feel any shame for your buggy products, BigBoss of Adobe? You've never tried to work with InDesign CS3 on a Mac with OS 10.5, right? All your work with Bugrobat is done by your secretary, right? And NO, I don't want to get new versions by filesharing, I pay for apps that I have in daily use, BUT fix the bugs, I've paid for a working CS 3 suite! You have my money! You like it? Well, then take out the bugs. Think of: my money - your pocket, and consider the future of this relationship. Got it? My tip for Photoshoppers: I suggest everyone who wants to do image-optimizing with effectively professionell tools, to take a deeper look into Nikon Capture NX2, - you get far better and really high professionell tools, far better results, far better organized workflows... FOR 200 DOLLARS. In Nikon Capture NX2 there is not the endless series of opening and closing different dialog windows just for the one tasks of color editing, or editing cuves/ greybalance, all needed tools just open organized in one palette. So you don't have to open one dialog, then close it to open the next, then, if needed, go back to the first dialog again, and so one. That is interface design of 1990. The Adobe style in 2008... And now, that's how it looks like in Nikon Capture NX2: all your tools are by the hand, not the antique style of functions scattered in "open & must be closed before continue" one-task-windows, no menues longer than the way from here to rome. ("Oh, look, how many single entries this menu has, this must be a very professionell app". - Well Adobe, then sell to the many stupid graphic designers, - to your convenience they never die off.) In Nikon Capture NX2 at first try out the many possible ways for your color correction tasks, this app is full of professionell tools - and if you've ever used these tools, the former grandmaster Photoshop immediatly appears like Playmobil... Nikon Capture NX2 looks ugly in its version 2.0, but use it for a few hours and you understand what I'm talking about here. (Yes, you have to spent some hours, it is designed in a different way, not following adobes old logic that you know well after many years.) My REVIEW is: A suite of apps for thousands of dollars, with many many bugs that never get fixed by a irresponsible developer, can't get more than 2 stars! I've tried out Photoshop CS 4 beta yesterday, nothing usefull in there for me, I think I will wait for the pizza-topping designer in CS 14. Or better for an well thought out workflow-orientated interface redesign, as suggested here, in Photoshop version 25 maybe. Meanwhile squeeze the last drop out of this 2D-image-editing app with costly but mostly useless updates, I don't care ...and don't pay anymore. Continue to withhold the few improvements that are possible in an 2D Image app after nearly 20 years of generell deployment in that market, withhold to feed your update circle, - continue with minor improvements for always the next absolutely groundbreaking version - big marketing and big update prices, but I don't care anymore. Best would be: you give Photoshop back to the Knoll brothers, they were ingenious, something you can't replace by a marketing-machine. By the way, regarding the Photoshop CS 4 new features: have you heard about the brand-brand-brandnew app Bodypaint 3D somewhere? Yes? Well, then, - what about an MP3-Editor in Photoshop CS 14, worth maybe another 400 dollar upgrade? Fix the bugs in CS 3 first, I will never buy CS 4 (as a payed bugfix for CS 3, or CS 5 later for CS 4 bugfixes, and so on) until Adobe fixes them. And give Photoshop the long-needed interface UPDATE. -

Wow! Another annual tax. Just a mere $2600. (If you're not upgrading.) They never fixed the obvious bugs in CS2 but moved on to CS3. And now CS4. They don't give updates on CS2, so work around the bugs and save an enormous amount of money. They have an opinion of themselves even more inflated than the price.

no 64bit version for Mac, but InDesign CS4 can back save to version 3.... I think I will be recommending to all the design studios I work with to hold on a year and a half for CS5. :)

Slow normally, but useful......lets just say I am glad the student price for me was 190$ not the normal price.

I've heard quite a few nasty things about CS2 being bloatware, so I'm staying with CS until I see a reason to switch.

One point of criticism on "Bridge"... please bring back the "auto resolve" function to rename files when moving them around. I have so many images named 01.jpg for example, and having to rename every file before moving is tedious work, even using Batch Rename.

Anyone else experienceing these bugs: 1)holding down spacebar to move an image around on the screen, is slow in Photoshop CS2. There is a long delay before the image actually moves when dragging. Could be the Core Image engine, I haven't tested CS1 on Tiger for the same problem. I have a Radeon 9200 AGP card if anyone has the same issue... 2)Photoshop occasionally crashes on launch 3) menus & palettes "behave" differently, especially the transparency-slider in the "layers" palette seems to require some skill til use all of a sudden.

Bad update. Few new things. Big new price.

Slow on a fast computer, ie useless. Back to CS 1.

Some of the greatest creative programs on the market, now nicely interlinked. Creative suite 2 is a must for any professional nowadays.

the features are excellent but it is SO SO SO slow at everything.

What about all the temp files!!! They never go. So I'll keep very close to CS1 In my country is more than $1,000 for the suite... Let us start looking for an option...

apps take about twice as long to open as compared to CS1 and the spinning beachball of doom is appearing with a frequency i haven't seen since way back in the days of OSX PB. WTF have they done - forgotten to take out the debug code or something? add to that the fact that there seem to be dozens of interface glitches [misaligned menus, fugly buttons, non-rendering of accented characters etc. etc.] and this really does look like an unfinished product. thank god i didn't wipe CS1 off my drive before installing this creaking lump of bloat!

I use InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator from CS2. Excellent software. I enjoy working thereby. Thank you Adobe

I guess I do not have the complaints of others. Adobe did stay with us when many, many others left the Mac software scene. For those who utilize Adobe products for business, the price of the software is very reasonable. For people like me who futz with it and enjoy it, it is obviously a bit more steep in warranting the price, so I wait for several revisions before I upgrade. However, this does diminish my respect for Adobe and what they represent as a software corporation--they have done a fine job and are fine company.

I own 4 of the CS products, GoLive, Photoshop, Illustrator, & Acrobat. And had to buy them separately because of the release dates and actual supply in Canada (they fill the US market orders first) and therefore didn't have the opportunity to buy the CS Set. Still the Policy makers have made the upgrade path so narrow and steep, that only a very few can take advantage of it. Their actuarial skill is outstanding. Their product and customer service is ludicrous and fraudulent. Its not the Company it once was, I can remember back to 1985 when they were helpful, confident and credible. Adobe your on a toboggan ride. See you at the bottom.

One thing that needs to be understood my most everyone is that a particular piece of software has very little value other than it's PRECIEVED value. Adobe is banking on the fact that it's users will percieve this to be worth it. Let me give you a quick example. For most people Photoshop 5.5 is more than enough. What is the current value of Photoshop 5.5? Essentually nothing, even by Adobe's overpriced standards. Adobe's reasoning for activation is flawed. It's the "we can't stop the actualy clever pirates, so let's ream the little guy." My point is the "little guy" doesn't really need this. A new Mac Mini is $499. Photoshop is $899. Is PhotoShop worth more than an entire computer? Once upon a time there was a saying you get what you pay for. Alas, like many things, those times are long gone.

Why is it the Adobe is the ONLY one that doesn't adhere to Apple's Command-H (hide)? Is Adobe that omnipotent?

dudes... in our hands are the option to "switch" or not to new Adobe CS... and pay for! i can't believe in that new features can make your productivity go to "new frontier"! i read in forums and in my own experience (modest work) that CS 1.0 have a lot of bugs and they are not solved yet... insist! ...nobody are pushing you to buy CS 2.0. is the best way to show to ADOBE guys our "feed-back". END

Paid over $1,000 with purchase of first CS. Felt that it was useless to have a Dual G5 with software that doesn't take advantage of 64bit processing. I work with large, complex files and I was comfortable with Adobe products. There is no pricing for Adobe CS2 Standard. Clicking on the right link takes you right to the Premium link. I think the software is overpriced and will look towards shareware to replace Adobe products. At least make the upgrades more affordable!!

I gotta say, with all the bugs still floating around in 1.0, I'm pretty disappointed that they jumped ship to 2.0 already, without still answering some of our bug requests. First and foremost, double-click on the illustrator window doesn't minimize to the dock? Not a majory issue -- but when you become used to a system, and then have to tweak your habits because of a little bug = loss time = lost productivity. ...and the adobe forums are filled with many more issues. I love adobe products -- I switched from Quark to InDesign because Quark ignored the users for so long, and is trying to play catch up to it's lost buyers. Don't do the same Adobe.

Come on Adobe!! I just freek'n upgraded to CS a few months ago and now you're hitt'n me up for more money?? This Sucks!

Well $350 for the "Standard" upgrade (doesn't include Acrobat or GoLive) or you can go $550 for the Premium upgrade. You've got to be kidding me. This even makes some of MS's upgrades look reasonable. Come on Adobe! Are you with us or not? Should we go back to Quark? Egads!!

Is it me, or does CS2 seem to be made up of relatively minor new features? I guess the upgrade pricing will tell us more...

We switched to the Creative Suite about 4 months ago and have never looked back. Can't stand working in Quark anymore. It's not perfect (what is?) but it's far closer than anything out there. More and more printers are supporting it, and the PDF output is sensational. We are totally thrilled.

Adobe in my books falls into that grouping of developers who breathe a rarer air than any lowly user. Gulled by the lack of serious competition, like others of their ilk they mistake exclusivity and dominance of market share, with quality. Photoshop may "be" the "best", but its not really, when you make a relative dollar for dollar comparison with other products. If it was that much better, it'd draw the stuff for you, and give a fair massage to boot. Adobe, just because you have a product that many professionals need and rely upon, does not mean that you can behave badly. Every update you bring out has bugs left over from the last round, and few enough new features or fixes to justify even a portion of the money you charge. Am I being too harsh Adobe? Not, I think, when so many reviewers can't even get their paid-for updaters to work. And not when I can get up to make a cup of coffee in the time it takes Acrobat Pro to boot up. Should we go on to talk about your immediate, responsive and apologetic customer support then? Or would that be merely an exercise in rhetoric? Good paying customers should not have to come to feedback venues cap-in-hand looking for answers to ridiculous questions. I should not have to ask why your expensive product does not install or update on my stock standard Apple machine. All I should have to do is come up with the money to pay for Acrobat. If I want it that badly. The rest of my buying and user experience should occur on good faith, and in accordance with what you as an experienced and wealthy business have offered me for that money. I run my business that way, and if I didn't, I'd go broke. Why should you not be the same?

Great suite but it is unfinished, unpolished and bloated.

anyone know of an issue as follows: OS 10.3.2 Adobe CS PS seems to corrupt files at random eg. open 500MB tiff ifle, adjust levels, random colour bars appear over image (like a magenta or yellow rectangle set to 'overlay'. File is corrupt. If unwittingly placed in ID - ID document becomes very corrupt. Cannot be opened later. Major drama! Oh yeah - and it dson't save in v2! And best of luck with version Q!!!

Bla, Bla, Bla and Bla,,,,,! This CS of ADOBE applications is state of ART pack foe anyone in serious graphic and web design! With hands down it dominates the market. The only thing which will complimented is Flash MX and your very own talent!

Seems very good, except ugly icons. One thing I don't like at all: Indesign CS can't save ID 2 format.

I have been evaluating The Adobe Creative Suite professional edition for our company (we both train and develop web apps). Version Cue is awesome for anyone who works in teams, no more multiple version running around. All the other apps seem to have been held for this release. These are NEW VERSIONS of all products. What I love about htem is the integration (which is why I have always been a Macromedia guy). This suite of products will have me off Macromedia (except for Flash) for good. They are well designed, well implemented, well worth the money for the upgrade. Adobe wanted to dominate all aspects of design and production? Well they have. If you don't have this suite, you are definitely behind the curve.

Photoshop CS is amazing in Panther. Top speed. Try it by yourself. Apple rocks, Adobe rules.

Some have commented that this updgrade is a bit steep. Have you lost your minds? For $749, one can own full versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, GoLove and InDesign (so long as you have any prior version of PS). In the past it cost between $400-700 per package. How can anyone argue with this. I've already placed my order.

I agree, anyway: Dreamweaver MX bugs bugs bugs Flash MX bugs bugs bugs Quark 6 bugs bugs bugs Thank God Adobe produces solid apps for OS X, bloated bud rock solid. Macromedia and Quark can't even think about quality.

In a tight economy they want us to upgrade to some scheme they hatched up, so they can show increased profit margins without giving the user much to get excited about ala Microsoft. No Thanks! We'll leave this one for the gaullible.

I will go for it. Early to say how it will fly with upcoming new OS but so far it sound's pretty good! Price is little-bit to steep.