Apple Security Update for Mac2013-004

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This latest security update for Snow Leopard is even bigger than the last - 348MB for my iMac. There must be some major changes in the underpinning to the system going on. Nice to have a security patch for Safari 5, too. Bravo to Apple for continuing to support SL.

Apple is really screwing up 10.7 If you are running 10.7, after you update 10.7.5, the App Store will not connect. There are tons of people are having this problem. Intend to make App Store works, I had to re-install 10.7 but only update it to 10.7.3 Anywhere pass that, App Store will not connect. Maybe that's the reason Apple jumps to 10.8 right after 10.7.5

Security Update 2013-002 for 10.6.8 is a biggie -- 330 MB. Good that Apple are still supporting Snow Leopard. Wonder if that will continue once 10.9 comes out.

Messed up Safari 5.1.8 in MacOS 10.6.8. Took me half an hour to find out that SafariStand 5.1.182 with SIMBL for 10.6 was creating the compatibility problem. Otherwise everything seems to work fine.

The Snow Leopard version should have its own entry on MU... I realize that most will discover this via SW Update, but at first glance it would get missed since it has been lumped into the version for 10.7.

What's new since Sep 19? Software Update doesn't even see this one (Oct 15)

I'd like to do a bit of philosophy, here: - potential security leaks are likely to be exploited until they're not known, so It's very probable that after a few months most of them have not to be feared anymore... ;-) - when you take a look at what is fixed, the risks are probably very low for the average home user, while they're higher for big corporate's servers, of course - my Mini G4 running Tiger is no longer security-updated by Apple since years, neither my G5 running Leopard, do you think I've been attacked in anyway? ;-D - just like you, I've done all the security updates until the previous one, but I've always wondered if they were really useful: one thing is pretty sure, if I had to reinstall my old systems, I would stick to the lowest well-running version and avoid as much updates as possible, as I've always noticed a drop in performance after applying all the updates of any kind in the life of a system (it looks as Apple would intentionally fatten the system till the average user thinks "ok, Tiger is too slow, Leopard will be better, let’s buy it!" and so on, but of course Apple wouldn't think that way, ain't they? ;-) Those are just conjectures, and most people might disagree, but I’m a twenty-year-old mac user (since system 7), so I’m talking based on my experience... ;-) The least that you can keep of my words is that you can refrain from updating your system immediately when an update comes out — except if it fixes issues that you’ve encountered on important things, of course — wait to read if people are happy with this update, wait for fixes if the update breaks something (anyone remembers the infamous 10.3.x update bug that erased firewire HDs if they were connected during the update? I personally destroyed all the data of a friend film-maker doing that damned update!!!)

Thank You Misha for the MailPlugInFix it worked great!

On the September 19th Security Update. I am on 10.6.8. This has made Mail completely unusable. Unopenable. Any suggestions anyone?

This security update appears to have disabled certain Apple Mail 4.6 bundles, including MailTabs and WideMail. And I do miss WideMail!

Good update.No problems whatsoever.

No real problems except... My Boot is REEEAAALLY slow now... sigh.

Heads up to anyone using the Apple Mail plugins Letter Box, Wide Mail and Growl Mail, this security update inexplicably disables all three. Farewell Apple Mail. I just finished transferring all mail accounts to Thunderbird. Apple seems to be trying very hard to force Mountain Lion on all. Thanks to Apple's new business plan, I was already in the process of setting up the Linux distro Ultimate Edition 3.4. Which is an awesome iteration of Ubuntu. Dual boot, not that hard. I wish they hadn't of forced my hand, for I was so content with my iMac, OSX and all my costly Applications, oh well...Onward thru the fog. Because, it doesn't look like Apple cares what I and many others think or do.

Why is is 004? Pretty sure there was never a 003 for Snow Leopard.

New Security Update today. 269.9 MGs.

The dots for open apps on my dock are not showing up at all after the Apple Security Update 2012-002. I'm using Snow Leopard. Is this a bug or are we now forced to accept this as a feature like Lion users?

2012-002 is out!

There is a NEW UPDATE available (2012-011 v1.1) Have a look under software update It's a working fix for the Rosetta problem we are experiencing.

DO NOT INSTALL this update if you use any app under Rosetta (PPC) If installed you won't be able to print anymore ! I happen to believe Apple broke 10.6.x printing (Rosetta) for the purpose of forcing us to move to 10.7.x

BEWARE! This security update makes all Rosetta-dependent (PPC) applications unusable. Applications crash on start, or crash when opening Open, Save, or Print dialogs. If you still need PPC applications in Snow Leopard, do not install this update.

Update kills printing from Freehand! Beware!

Breaks a bunch of PPC applications like WeatherMenu and AppleWorks. WeatherMenu no longer loads and AppleWorks will crash when trying to print.

This update broke my Silverfast version 6.6.2r5 scanning software on my Plustek OptikFilm 7600 slide scanner. Was scanning slides fine but the software no longer works after the update. AARRGGHH!

Whatever you do, DO NOT AGREE TO THIS SOFTWARE UPDATE! I did last week and boy, do I ever regret it. It messed up all of my SMARTboard files with .gifs. I couldn't open them or the program would crash. After hours of trying to figure out the solution, I restored my Mac with my Time Machine. Things are back to normal now. Wish I could give this a negative rating. Had to give it something to be able to post this comment!

This Security Update 2011-006, on OS 10.6.8 made my external hard drive unreadable. It was plugged in and working when I updated my system (I use it with 2 partitions, 1 for Time Machine and 1 for manual back up) and after automatic reboot, the external drive was not recognized. Is there anything I can do to restore my data ? Or has this happened to anybody else ?

This Security Update will crash your system. It crashed my MacBook Air. It will no longer wake from a sleep state and requires a hard reboot to start. This has been documented online by PC Magazine. See other posts.

Re: Security Update 2011-006 Mac OS X Security Update Causes Crashes, Say Experts By Lucian Constantin, IDG News | PCWorld [ http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,241827/printable.html ] According to several reports, installing the patches could render computers unbootable...

this sec update is actually for 10.7.1, not for 10.7.2

Link for Apple Security Update 2011-006 ! http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5002

It shouldn't require a reboot to revoke certificates! Come on Apple, this is OS X. Since it's possible to do it from the command line without a reboot, and just based on the nature of certificates, having to reboot for this is beyond stupid. If needed, apps like Safari can be required to be quit before the update. At least Apple *finally* addressed the issue. Took long enough. (The update does work correctly at least; both the regular and EV DigiNotar certs now seem to be revoked.)

If you're still using Leopard or earlier and wish to remove the compromised certificates, you can do so manually by issuing the commands below in terminal (you need an admin account). This works even when attempting to untrust or delete the certificates via Keychain Access does not: sudo security delete-certificate -Z C060ED44CBD881BD0EF86C0BA287DDCF8167478C /System/Library/Keychains/SystemRootCertificates.keychain sudo security delete-certificate -Z 59AF82799186C7B47507CBCF035746EB04DDB716 /System/Library/Keychains/SystemRootCertificates.keychain sudo security delete-certificate -Z 101DFA3FD50BCBBB9BB5600C1955A41AF4733A04 /System/Library/Keychains/SystemRootCertificates.keychain

Nice, we were close to deploying a manual solution to un-trust the fraudulent certs. Too bad it took 2+ months to get this update out... Don Montalvo, TX

Leopard version is universal, not intel only.

This update seems to have killed Rosetta stone dead. This means I can no longer use Photoshop CS, among other things which is important as some really good plugins don't work with later versions of PS. (I heard the rumour that Apple were going to kill off Rosetta in Lion anyway. Is this a pre-emptive strike?) Anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution?

Installed without incident via Software Update. Unusually or uniquely (unless long-term memory is playing me tricks), this security update didn't require restart. Mid-2010 i3 iMac.

Let's hope this resolves the MacDefender (etc) trojan problem... Don Montalvo, TX

Microsoft, Firefox and Google all had this issue (blacklisting of fraudulent Comodo certificates) patched within 2 days. It took Apple almost a month. Pathetic.

All seems well for 10.6.7 after using Software Updater to install this Security Update. Now if Apple would find the time to correct/eliminate all of the items that appear in the Repaired Permissions pane after the Java update they created ___many___ months ago!

Re: 2011-02 I think there is a version for us PPC folks too.

Apparently not necessary once you have updated to OSX 10.6.7. After installing 10.6.7 this does not appear in Software Update... so it must have been part of 10.6.7.

Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but I am having issues with the firmware on the optical drive. Just had it replaced by Apple last week after the other one failed, so I am not sure if it is the exact model that came with my first-gen Unibody. "Quit all open applications and try updating again. If the problem continues, contact Apple support." There are no open applications and I quit any extraneous processes in Activity Monitor, tried again, and the same error. Does anyone have any suggestions?

If you had previously installed the latest copy of XQuartz, which is newer than Apple's X11, you need to re-install it after applying this security update: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26593/xquartz Also, the version of Adobe Flash included with the security update is probably not as new as the one available directly from Adobe, so you should re-apply that as well: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/4783/adobe-flash-player Note that these comments only apply to people still using 10.5, to which this security update is directed.

Hey 'guys': This is for 10.5 .... Most of us are using 10.6!

I don't know what it did for my security but it seems to have screwed up the "enter" problem that was recently fixed in safari. I've moved over to firefox which is behaving normally

Smooth as ice update. No issues after reboot.

I've read it a couple of times - that users are running AppleJack. The last time I relied on AppleJack it was prior to Snow Leopard and was advised NOT to use AppleJack with Snow Leopard to correct preferences. I'd do it from the original install disk using the disk utility. In reality, I'd do it from a second bootable backup partition. I never install an update without backing up prior to the update.

This is only for Snow Leopard... so it's not PPC/Intel.

New Mac System 10.6.4-- Software update notified me of Security Update 2010-05, and I downloaded yesterday without remembering I had a flask disk in 1 of 4 USB ports. Now if I try a restart with the flash disk in 2 of the 4 ports (including the one it was in or the one with the printer connection), I get a blank grey screen. If the flash disk is in one of the other ports, no problem. If another flash disk is in any of the 4 ports, no problem. I have reinstalled the security update and reformatted the problem flash disk without success

I installed the update, restarted and came back to find the screen blinking blue, black with a curser, blue, black with a curser. I powered off and ran AppleJack on restart. It is still doing it. I have the verbose startup on and I can see that it is starting up, then the nebula picture appears and then it goes blue and starts cycling. I'm debating starting time machine recovery now, so it will do it while I sleep...or waiting to find a solution tomorrow when I get up. I'm to tired to troubleshhot at 4am.

Wrong sha1 !

I've never had this happen before -- typically my updates install flawlessly -- but after installing 2010-005 my Web Sharing doesn't work. Nothing else changed on my system. 10.6.4 iMac 2.33 GHz Core 2 Duo 3 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

As many will needlessly (sometimes needed though) repair permissions after installing it... Isn't it unbelievable that a company who puts extra screws connecting nothing just to keep bottom of laptop symmetric won't fix this "permission update" crisis? Not saying it is a problem but it is really damn ugly and may really panic newbies. "Permissions differ on "System/Library/CoreServices/Screen Sharing.app/Contents/CodeResources", should be -rw-r--r-- , they are lrw-r--r-- " Stuff like that... Even grows each update :)

Just installed on a 2.4GHz Intel Core Duo aluminum iMac, and flames are now coming out of the optical drive! Red hot flames! In other news: No, not really. So far so good. Later I will install this on another six Macs and if all goes well, I will then on rare meats and baby vegetables. Good luck, my fellow MacHeads.

Installed Sec_update_2010-004 AFTER repairing permissions and doing a SAFE boot. No problems. I used Software Update "Download Only" and then did a Safe boot before installing The page here says it is a 6MB download. It turned out to be well over 200 MB and when expanded the installer said that it required over 600 MB of disk space. Wow!!... for a security update that is the largest I have ever seen.

After installing Security Update 2010-002 on 10.5.8, Apache (Web Sharing) will no longer start. I have multiple sites configured and two support SSL. The following error is now logged when Apache is launched: 2010-03-31 4:53:39 PM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.apache.httpd) Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight 2010-03-31 4:53:41 PM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.apache.httpd[1954]) Exited with exit code: 1 I assume the "fixes" for OpenSSL are affecting the self-signed certificate for Apache. (grrrrr)

I spoke too soon! On my G5 It worked Ok but on my MacbookAir it almost hosed my drive.I had to do a hard restart run Applejack,Do DiskWarrior.Why do the Security Updates cause so much trouble?

Dangit!!! My dock no longer functions beyond getting the command balloons up. They don't respond and just hang there 'til I move my cursor to "Finder" in my top menu bar. Grrrrr Yes, I did run a permissions repair.

This one didn't break anything.Repaired permissions right after installing and all is OK! (for a change!)

The link to the Knowledge Base article leads to a page where there is no information that I can find pertinent to the present release. It fries my hide when ANYBODY releases software without telling the user what he's getting. Applie is no exception. As I've said in connection with other such releases, this is like distributing some packaged food without supplying the customer with a list of its contents. I wouldn't put any such stuff in my mouth, and I'm not too happy about putting its equivalentin my computer.

I am SO sick of installing these security updates! EVERY single one requires APPLEJACK to fix caches,permissions and virtual memory! Every single one changes permissions from rw,rw ,r to lrw,lr. ENOUGH already! I have updated on all 6 of my Macs and their respective back up Hard drives all with the same volume and all running 10.5.8. To go through this is just TOO much!When will Apple learn to configure an update that doesn't mess with our permissions!

A company which rejects to fix their own file sharing protocol's (AFP) security issues on 10.4.11 Tiger. Still curious about why Enterprise/Business doesn't take Apple serious?

G5 tower would not restart after update. I never had this happen before and I have used Macs for well over a decade. Also there was no spinning progress indicator. I waited around ten minutes and finally did a hard restart. Makes me wonder how many other things Apple missed.

Update went smoothly without any issues so far on my PPC machine. That's goooood. Thx.

With this latest security update, both my machines were no longer connected to the internet. I had to restart my router and modem and internet access was restored. Never had this happen before with a security update!

Everything ok so far on my machine... Power PPC G5 iMac 20" 2.1GHz

I just spent about half an hour enjoying Apple Security Update 2009-001 on several of my Macs. (I always put on my Mac Exorcist hat when I update this stuff anymore.) The stand-alone iBook updates were uneventfully routine, but a G4 Mac mini I use for network and storage services stalled, rebooted a couple times, and commanded the UPS to shut down the system after a very long screen-off delay. After reboot, the ethernet port (en0) shut itself off several times while attempting to connect to the system's DSL modem and was confusing the ISP when the ethernet port (en0) was active. I verified the DSL modem with a Linux notebook, verified the DSL modem, router, and ISP--all worked flawlessly under Linux. All systems are running MacOS 10.4.11 (networks are better on Tiger) and always have been kept up to date. On the Mac mini G4 network/file server, I went to Mac OS's network configuration assistant from the network control panel and re-entered the DSL login information, after which the system resumed normal operation without further incident.

No problems here, on iMac, Intel, and MacBook Air

After installing this and the Java update, I experienced some very strange behaviour when the computer restarted. A couple of my log-in items crashed repeatedly and one was using a huge amount of CPU for no apparent reason. I also noticed that the mdworker process was using about 50-80% CPU. Another restart seems to have fixed the problem. Anyone else experience a similar issue? (2.2GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, OS X 10.5.6)

This update is terrible. Applications quit, windows close without clicking out of them, ... Hopefully they fix this soon. Anyone know of a solution?

This security update proved to be a complete disaster. Upon installation I was prompted to restart the computer. Waiting well over 20 minutes for the system to load, I decided to force-restart. The black screen then came on, prompting me to log on manually, which I did countless times but with no effect. After more than half a day of trying several remedies and 3 separate calls to an Apple technician (who insisted the problem could be fixed by fixing the permissions from the install disk) the System could not be resurrected no matter what I tried. I had to install a new System and used the rest of the day updating from the original disk version. Not a very good experience.

After installing 2008-008 this on my 10.4.11 PPC through software update my dock crashes every 5 seconds, almost anytime I click something and my mouse jumps from one place to another.. Anyone can help me out..?

Flawless update in Tiger 4.11. Used the combo update (always safest).

After running this update my sytem crashed and I had to reinstall. After running the update again after a fresh install I'm now back with a broken system again. System update crashes. Safari crashes. I'm not able to run .pkg and reinstall 2008-007 or System combo update 10.4.11 because they also crashes. I think is has to do with Webkit framework because the nightly build from http://nightly.webkit.org/ run whithout a problem. But I dont know how to install a new webkit. The safari .pkg install from apple.com crashes as well when I try to install. I have run permissions and drive repair from the MacOS install CD. I also tried to run in fail safe mode. Nothing works. Is there a fix to this!

My system update crashed when running this update. Dont remember the reason given. Anyway, I could not start ANY new programs after the update failed. And the computer does not start up. To apples defense I can say I had the CS3 suite running while running the system update. So, I had to reinstall the system.

"Description: Multiple vulnerabilities exist in vim 7.0, the most serious of which may lead to arbitrary code execution when working with maliciously crafted files. This update addresses the issues by updating to vim 7.2.0.22. Further information is available via the vim website at http://www.vim.org/" Alternatively, replace vim with nvi. :)

Anyone else experiencing repeated Safari crashes when loading PDFs? After the security update 2008-006 was installed on my G5 running OS X 10.4.11 with Safari 3.1.2, some embedded PDFs (viewed by clicking the link in Safari) cause the app to hang - the result of a kernel panic that requires a force quit. This is signaled by a grey screen and a spinning beachball. The problem arises very frequently and is easily reproducible. Downloaded PDFs cause no problems. And if I command+click the link to open the PDF in a tab, and then wait for it to load in the background, I can then view it in Safari. And more, if I view it in the tab, and then go back to the other tab and click directly on the same link to view it, it will then load. If I click on a PDF link on the same site, though, it will likely hang. It seems that clicking on a PDF in Safari that hasn't already loaded is what causes the hang. But because only some Safari-embedded PDFs cause the problem, I'm wondering if it's related to font handing, which is one of the supposed 15 issues that the update is meant to address. (I don't have the adobe plug-in, and prior to the update experienced zero problems with PDFs). I have ruled out imputmanager conflicts and fixed permissions using Onyx and Disk Utility. My next step is to rebuild the font cache.

Just ran 2008-006: iBook-1.2 GHz PowerPC G4 10.4.11 So far so good, all appear OK. Permissions update: some bad permissions, fixed. MS Office (2001) seems to run fine. This is not to discount others' negative experiences, I myself had MacOS crash after update. As pointed out by others, my drives/controllers had started to fail there. MacOS continued to run, but added stress of running the update seemed to expose hard drive flaws, then system went to permanent crash.

After installing this update (Mac OS X - PowerPC (67.8MB)) and launching Control Network I get the text: "Your network preferences have been changed by another program" ad infinitum. I have to force System Controls to quit. Another restart doesn't help. Can't use System Control Network. (Powerbook, PowerPC G3, 10.4.11) As I use a German system the terms used may be not 100% exact.

Apple have screwed up bigtime as the DNS flaw is still unpatched on the client side and the server side is possibly still the same. More info here: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9111363&intsrc=news_ts_head Apple seems to be getting more money focused and less focued on fixing the issues and also less on the end user as me I feel screwed over by not getting a proper or a fix at all.

This showed up on MacUpdate about an hour after OSX.5.4, and I wish either Apple or the good people at MU could clarify the relation of the two releases. Is this a security update in addition to the security improvements in X.5.4 (that should be used by everybody) or only to be used by people who, for whatever reason, do not care to make the upgrade? Or is this for Tiger? The fact that Software Upgrade ignores this suggests the latter, but it would be nice to be told.

Hi Installed 2008-003 update along with 4 other items via software update, after install had white screen for 5 mins after restart, did another restart a bit quicker, verify and repair permissions all seems ok now, mail and hp printer and scanner all ok. I did not bother with the 2008-002 update due to reports of HP printer problems. MacBook 10.4.11

Installed on mine (not through Software Update) and I don't have Aperture installed anymore!

Only needed for Aperture 2.0 users... http://www.macworld.com/article/132712/2008/03/security.html

Note that this updater is only for Macs with Aperture installed. If you don't have Aperture, Software Update will tell you your software is up to dae.

Not trusting this Security Update much. In the past they have appeared in Software Update, now nothing. Also some of the experiences other have had with it give me pause.

I could not print on any of my usb connected printers following this update. I had to install the combo 10.5.2 updater and now all is well.

Installed it on a iMac G5 w/10.5.2. It did a restart and all I got was a blue screen for several minutes. Did a restore which took 1 hr and 37 minutes. Back to normal. Did not reinstall the security update.

Applied update - OS hosed - will not boot - recommend cloning before applying update. Am now trying to restore from time machine backup from 2 days ago. 38GB w/250GB to go. what a PITA. Never happened to me with mac update, many times with Windows.

After applying this security update, I can no longer print to my network Phaser 8550DP. Used Onyx, used Cocktail, used Diskwarrior, deleted preferences and queues... no luck. Print job shows up in queue but queue stops due to CUPS errors.

Good Big Security Update !

I'd give my left nut to know what on earth this does. (Well, metaphorically speaking, anyway.)

Yes, Apple has a great development team, but it's also someone's responsibility at Apple to make sure information about why they released a 1.1 version, shows up in the Software Update description of the update, instead of burying it in an Apple article that 99% of users won't know exists. I'm not thinking that all bugs are always inexcusable or unavoidable (though in a few cases that's true), but rather that Apple needs to communicate with users better. My point is that it's part of a culture of non-admission of fault that's been normal procedure at Apple for many years. It doesn't help. Apple drops the ball nearly every time they're given the opportunity to communicate with users about a problem. For most practical purposes, almost the only apologies, acknowledgments of problems, etc. we receive from Apple, are occasional public statements from Steve Jobs, and eventual admissions of hardware and software problems from Apple telephone technical support, usually months after the rest of the world knows about them, and occasional Apple articles (too few to address enough of the problems people are struggling with), and some Apple Geniuses who tell users the straight dope. As someone points out in a reply to my comment below, Apple released an article at the same time they released Security Updater 2007-009 1.1 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307224), describing one thing that the 1.1 update is supposed to fix: Safari crashing. But Security Updater 2007-009 1.0 causes more problems for some people than just Safari crashing--there are a number of other Safari bugs that it causes for some people, but hopefully the 1.1 update will fix those too, but if so, Apple should have mentioned that in the article. Security Updater 2007-009 1.0 also causes a number of other non-Safari bugs for a few people, such as disabling Appletalk, preventing disk images from mounting, only one core of a dual-processor Mac working, etc. As usual with any software installation, some miscellaneous problems occur afterwards, and maybe that's not always something that can be avoided due to variations in people's systems, add-ons they've installed, underlying problems like directory damage, bad blocks on the hard drive, etc. that interfere with a proper installation, but too often the bugs Apple introduces in their updates, are the fault of the update, and Apple doesn't have much of a mechanism for working with users on those problems. If Apple wants to appear "corporate" (a longstanding struggle for them, from the beginning), then they should publicly address issues more, not less. The descriptions in Software Update for any of Apple's installers and updaters, is one good place where more descriptive messages to the public should be located.

Update appeared in SU. Downloaded and installed w/o a hitch; machine (MBP 2.0GHz OSX 10.5.1) humming along nicely.

I installed it on my iMac G5, running 10.4.9. After the install it did a restart and then another restart before finally getting to the desktop.

System seems to be running a bit faster after this update namely Safari and the dock folders seem more responsive in speed of scrolling. This update didn't show up on my Software Update either I manually downloaded it.

I have a G4 and Gs, both running 10.4.9, but neither of these machines recognises the update through the software update panel. Any answers.

My Dual G5 running 10.4.9 won't allow the install. I can't see anything in the text that says its not for PowerPC Macs. Is this the case?

I have an iMac running 10.3.9. When I ran the latest security update (2007-004) and restarted I would get a kernel panic during the start-up process. (A kernel panic tells you to restart your computer in 4 languages). This was disappointing especially considered all of the previous updates which I installed without problem. Here was the solution that worked for me!! I tried restarting a dozen times, to no avail. But reseting my PRAM and NVRAM did the trick. Don't ask me why, but now I can start up at least. Thanks to macweaver.com for the solution. For instructions reseting your PRAM and NVRAM see: http://macweaver.com/maintenance/pram.htm Good luck.

Makes OmnisStudio unusable. SQL-error. It's a bug! http://www.omnis.net/