Camino2.1.2

I understand that the Camino team is small, but in the years since its debut, the browser world has changed, and it's just not clear what purpose this browser serves anymore. When Camino was released, Safari was in its infancy with a very limited feature-set and a long list of major sites that failed to render in webkit. Firefox was rough and slow and very badly integrated on the Mac OS. Camino gave you the attractive and mac-like interface of Safari with the powerful and widely compatible rendering engine of Firefox. A winning combination at the time. Well, in the last few years Safari and Firefox have made massive strides. Safari has matured rendering and feature-wise. Webkit is now considered one of the best and most compatible rendering engines on the market and is widely used on the Desktop and mobile space. It is rare indeed to encounter a site that Safari cannot render properly. Firefox is faster, more feature-full, and integrates much better into the Mac OS features and appearance. Camino has not kept up at all. Version 2.0 adds nothing terribly compelling and is essentially just trying to play catch-up with the big players. Camino's rendering, which used to be one of its big selling points, is far behind Firefox. Camino's javascript performance is about on par with Internet Explorer 8, and Firefox and Safari leave it in the dust in this respect. I just can't find any reason to use Camino at this point. If you want a quick-launching, completely mac-like app, use Safari. If you want a large integrated feature-set and true extensibility, use Firefox.

Camino Reaches Its End: http://caminobrowser.org/blog/

Coming up on 1 year without an update. I think McCoy said it best: "He's dead, Jim"...

Camino used to be my browser of choice, but in the 2.1.x version, the developers changed the autocomplete algorithm such that you only get 10 results, and the results are not stem matches to what you type in the URL window. Also, I've been noticing more and more pages which do not render correctly. As a result, I'm now looking at going back to Safari or Firefox. It's a shame, because it really is a nice, fast, lean browser, as the description suggests.

Tried it again, after a year and it still doesn't render pages well on some sites, especially with Flash. Used it as my favorite browser for years, when all Mac browsers did't fare too well in rendering more than a few sites. Some irritants have been fixed. Still fast and uses little memory and cpu. Work on the Flash issue or HTML5 and it should be great. Handles cookies Far better than Safari. Terrible for popups and popunders, still. "Pimped my Camino" very lightly the last time I brought it out of hibernation and it seemed to make it worse in most respects. Freezes more than other browsers.

AWSOME very fast but the UI come on it is 2011 I remember we used this UI in what 2003? Get a grip Camino project. Not it is not just about looks but when I look at this it is so naff and ruins my experience. Get Firefox add-ons working in it and you got the best browser in the world there. This seems a hobby project to make a fast ass browser not to make it feature or UI rich. So I don't really use it as it seems only for the developers to play in and they are blind to easy it would be to be the developers of the best browser and not some hobby thing. Sad but AWSOME talk about a dichotomy.

I really can't use this because of one simple reason... The "Annoyance Blocker" does not work nearly as well, nor is as flexible, as AdBlock Plus in Firefox. I gave it a go as my default browser for 2 weeks and the ads everywhere, finally got to me. I'll say one thing though, when watching Flash (YouTube) video, or Silverlight Video (Netflix), Camino seems to use a lot less resources than Safari, Chrome, or Firefox. So Camino has become my "Netflix & Youtube Browser", just because of that :)

recent new lease of life put camino back on my mac and even in the dock - for some reason it always worked on some sites which others really struggled with. but something's really wrong with 2.1 (even the core2duo specific builds) as it can't get itself going even on google. despite this am happy camino's back and have i faith that the dev will fix all. (ignore my rating as firefox was playing up)

DON"T BOTHER! Even the developer can't give me a single reason why I might like Camino better than Safari or Firefox. I recently contacted them, and here's our email messages: ME: "On the homepage, there this link that says "We’ve created a page which points out some of the common differences between Camino and Safari ..." But on that page there is NO comparison, just paragraphs explaining how to migrate from Safari. I want to see a chart or screenshots or, preferably, a screencast showing the differences. On the What makes Camino special? page, everything I see looks just like what Safari and Firefox already do, so why would I want to switch? Is it faster, uses less resources (Safari's a hog!), what? QUOTE: "Built from the ground up exclusively for Mac OS X, Camino is designed to make your browsing experience better. With features like annoyance blocking, tab overview, and phishing and malware detection, Camino keeps you browsing safer and faster on the Web." Safari and FF both have annoyance blocking and tab overview, as well as anti-phishing and malware protection. So, what makes Camino so great? I'd need a very good reason to invest the amount of time necessary to setup and learn a new browser. And then there's Opera, which I know nothing about, but hate the name." CAMINO DEV'S REPLY: "Taste in browsers is extremely personal; everyone has a different idea about what differences are important. No matter what we put on the web site, the only way for someone to find out if they like Camino better than other browsers is to try it for themselves. We continue developing Camino because many people like it, and we want to keep offering that choice--we aren't trying to convince people to switch if they aren't interested. It sounds like you are happy with the browser you are using then, which is great! Stuart Morgan Camino Developer" ME: "So, you can't tell me a single thing about how Camino is different or better than Safari or Firefox? That doesn't say much for Camino! Doesn't matter how happy I am with them - if there's some valid reason to change, or at least try another, I would. But they must be faster, easier, less resource-hogging or SOMETHING! If they're nearly identical in all aspects, why bother? When I buy a new car, I don't buy the same year, and model as the last, I want one that's newer, faster or better in some regard." CAMINO DEV'S REPLY: "I could tell you about lots of differences--or you try Camino, for free, and see them for yourself. I can't tell you what's "better" because it's subjective. I have yet to see a browser that some people don't claim is faster than all the other browsers they tried, or takes fewer resources than the other browsers they've tried, or has the best feature set of all the browsers they've tried. Camino is developed by volunteers, working in our free time. I'd much rather spend my free time improving Camino than trying to hard-sell it to people. If you want to try Camino and see if you like it better than your current browser, great! If not, that's fine with us too. We're not selling cars; we don't have a financial interest in convincing you to use Camino. Stuart Morgan Camino Developer" Although I took the time twice to inquire as to the benefits of Camino, not a single one was noted - all I was given was a bad impression of it. Stuart seems pompous and apathetic - he said he could tell me "about lots of differences," but didn't. Evidently, Camino isn't faster, easier or better in any way, just different, and that's not enough to make me switch. It's not as simple as installing and knowing within minutes if I like it; At a minimum it will take several hours to discover all the features of a new browser and to know if I want to continue using it. I'm not willing to invest that much time without knowing WHY I might want to try it, and if Stuart's attitude is an omen of the way Camino's dev's respond to questions and support issues, I'll pass.

Downloaded version 2.1 but browsing was so sluggish I had to trash it and revert to 2.09. Running Mac Pro 2x3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon with 9 GB DIMMs OS X 10.6.8. Clearing cache and restarting both the app, and then the Mac, made no difference. Several pages would not even load. Some here knock Camino, but I know of no other browser that wraps icons in the Bookmark Bar for the speediest access of any browser I know of. Just hope the developers work out the sluggishness of 2.1. I'm looking forward to HTML-5.

Reports of Camino's death have been highly exaggerated. Congratulations and thanks to Camino's dedicated development team.

1Password is known to crash Camino in some cases, particularly when customizing the toolbar. If you experience crashes, try removing 1Password's Camino integration.

Beats me why Camino users continue to favor the browser. It's UI, compared to Firefox, Safari, Chrome, you name it, is ugly, ugly, UGLY!

Faster to load and render than Chrome/Chromium, no extensions to drag it down, quick password access using Keychain (remember that?), many icons and other tweaks available, small dedicated crew of developers working because they love it, native Mac look - what's not to like? The perfect alternative to those Firefox/Safari/1Password blues.

I recently noticed that this very site (MacUpdate) doesn't behave the same in Camino than in Safari or Firefox!!! - the top apps of the day (listed in red) are less (today 1 in Camino, 4 in the others — the 3 missing ones don't even show at all) - when you search for an app via the search field, it gives less or no results (try searching for "Camino", it drops you directly on "Camino Frost" while the others give you 48 results! Search for Cocktail or Awaken: no results! — 13 and 6 for the others respectively) Another brick in the wall... :-(

Camino 2.1b5 is also available at http://preview.caminobrowser.org/

Well, I can't remember since when I took Camino as my favourite browser! It was faster than the others at that time, but in the past year it became having problems with some sites such as myspace. Now that its future death is quite certain, I don't wanna feel like a rat leaving the sinking ship, but it's probably time to switch. Being still on ppc G5, I'll probably use TenFourFox as a main browser (as I keep safari mainly for a site I'm using a lot and for saving .webarchive format files). Thanks to all the developpers that worked on Camino during all those years! And in remembrance of the 'good old days', I give it 5 stars... ;-)

Read about Camino's future: http://caminobrowser.org/blog/ It doesn't look good.

Other web browser have a better development.

Camino would be a great browser except for one very annoying flaw: On the site, "my.yahoo.com", it does not remember the location of a clicked link and always returns to the top of the page instead of returning to the location of the clicked link. Safari, Firefox, and Chrome do not exhibit this annoying and strange behavior.

You are whinging about a free piece of software that is maintained by a very small team? So what you are really saying is you have had 10 months to learn how to program and contribute a fix to this community based open source bug yet chose not to help. That is completely unacceptable!!! In all seriousness though, I'm only joking with the above expectation but your comment is a little absurd. It takes time to analyse logs, data from Instruments and debugging information not to mention peoples everyday lives and endless other tasks. This project is a hobby developed and maintained by the kind folk who build it for the world (for free). I would suspect that the Netscape plugin API is some incredibly old tortuous code that is quite a pain to work with and understand but I'm only guessing :) Common log file locations are: $HOME/Library/Logs /Library/Logs /private/var/log if you would like to confirm file sizes. The largest log file I have is 2.8MiB which goes back to early 2007. Log files are rotated and archived using zip compression by the system to make the log files usually incredibly small. Speak to the Camino team in the forums and let them know it concerns you that it's not in a release build yet. Until then enjoy the program and ignore the extra generated error lines in the console logs. They are only a minor inconvenience in extra logged data and not something that has caused any significant issues

Both these things can be done in Camino. To copy a tab, drag the favicon (the little icon before the name in the tab) to a new tab or empty space in the tab bar. To make links open in the background, select that option in Camino's preferences, under the tabs settings. ("open in the background", last option on that page) Now when you middel-click (with scroll wheel or ball, or when you hold down the command key) links will open in new tabs while the current page stays active.

Camino WAS a great browser and may be again. However, it is currently crippled. Since launch of 2.0, and even in the current 2.1 beta versions, there is a bug that continually generates error messages in logs. These logs can easily build up to many gigabytes in size on the hard drive, and need some expertise to delete as they are hidden. I found 20 GB of these logs on my hard drive. Therefore, I do not recommend Camino 2 until, and if, this is fixed. I have been using Camino for years as my main browser, but I am now forced to revert to Safari and Firefox. Camino 1.x.x is no longer being supported and may have huge security holes. Reference: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897

Can't really beat it for speed on osx...or can you? I can't find anything.

Just like it says; "lean and fast". Been using Camino for a few years now, and I really like the look and feel of the browser. Highly recommended, especially as a back up for Safari users for sites that Safari will not load properly. Would give a 4.5 if possible.

This is really an amaing browser that i've ever used,more stable than google chrome(never crash),and the most important,as it turns out that it's as fast as the others(or even faster i'd say),so then i choose to use it as my main browser! but there's sth bugs me a little: 1. Can't copy old tab to a new one with the same url(not so handy as chrome does when we need to open the same page twice) Keep working you guys!

General Comment: No Mac application should EVER have the colour GREEN used for buttons or icons...whatever! (Especially on brushed metal). It looks cheesy and cheap. Not ever Apple has a GREEN Apple! Don't get me wrong, Camino is a terrific browser but please Mozilla change the UI to something classier..That is all.

Problem with 2.0 not working with 1Password 2.11.1, icon does not show in toolbar, nor does it show when you try to customize toolbar, still running Mac 10.4 Tiger.

I understand that the Camino team is small, but in the years since its debut, the browser world has changed, and it's just not clear what purpose this browser serves anymore. When Camino was released, Safari was in its infancy with a very limited feature-set and a long list of major sites that failed to render in webkit. Firefox was rough and slow and very badly integrated on the Mac OS. Camino gave you the attractive and mac-like interface of Safari with the powerful and widely compatible rendering engine of Firefox. A winning combination at the time. Well, in the last few years Safari and Firefox have made massive strides. Safari has matured rendering and feature-wise. Webkit is now considered one of the best and most compatible rendering engines on the market and is widely used on the Desktop and mobile space. It is rare indeed to encounter a site that Safari cannot render properly. Firefox is faster, more feature-full, and integrates much better into the Mac OS features and appearance. Camino has not kept up at all. Version 2.0 adds nothing terribly compelling and is essentially just trying to play catch-up with the big players. Camino's rendering, which used to be one of its big selling points, is far behind Firefox. Camino's javascript performance is about on par with Internet Explorer 8, and Firefox and Safari leave it in the dust in this respect. I just can't find any reason to use Camino at this point. If you want a quick-launching, completely mac-like app, use Safari. If you want a large integrated feature-set and true extensibility, use Firefox.

2.0 refuses to import my Firefox bookmarks.

And the Acid 3 Test is 72 out of 100. Chrome and Safari are 100 out of 100. Firefox 3.6 beta is 91/100. So why use it?

How is this better than Firefox? It has fewer features and is based on an older version of the Gecko rendering engine.

I realize that almost every browser out there has its fans, and that what I am about to say will bring down the wrath of some readers, but I personally think the great profusion of broswers is silly (and, incidentally, makes life unduly hard for us poor Web designers). If all the brainpower invested in developing them were focused on smaller number, and if all the available knowledge about browser design were pooled, it is not difficult to imagine that the results would be better for everybody.