TenFourFox for Mac45.41.5

TFF is still perfectly working, long live PPC! :-)

My FPR15 review will be more of a "best practices with TFF and any Firefox based browser":
• Thanks to TFF's dev, I've learned that those browsers enumerate the available fonts in your system, so minimizing their number will gain a considerable amount of time, especially for slow machines.
• my second point is about extensions: most of you already know it, but keep them as few as possible
• final point: built-in basic adblock of TFF. My little G4 mini was lacking RAM until today, so it was faster filtering heavy pages with uBlock +uMatrix +Decentraleyes (as calculations were made in virtual memory i.e. on disk). Now, with its RAM maxed out, TFF's built-in basic adblock alone is the overall best choice — if you don't mind trackers, etc.
Before applying those advices, TFF ate CPU for 50s at launch before calming down, then nearly the same time for loading very heavy sites: now I've achieved 20s launch time and even the heaviest site takes less than 20s to display ("normal" pages load between 4s and 8s).
I've also applied the fonts advice on my Intel Macs with Waterfox and Firefox. ;-)

The developer announced that an "urgent security [FPR13 SPR1] update" will be coming soon to patch a vulnerability in the Firefox code revealed during Pwn2Own that is closed in releases Firefox 66.0.1 and Firefox ESR 60.6.1

A little review to say that TenFourFox is still actively supported: next FPR13 (should be 45.22, if I'm not mistaking) will be out later this month. Being a "Feature Parity Release", you can expect it to work quite like Firefox, except for some "hard to port" feature. Current news are that there's a new Intel port (versions for MacOS 10.4 to 10.6), not supported by TFF's dev but mentioned in their blog — see one of my comments below.

This version (also called FPR7) is a clear improvement with its "basic adblock" feature, undeniably speeding your browsing! (you have to enable it in the dedicated TFF prefs)
You can use it now without any adblocker, although you still have more precise filtering power with the usual extensions.
For the rest, it's FF45 with latest 52ESR fixes on PPC machines.

Would it be possible to make a Universal Binary version of TenFourFox, so we could also run it on old Intel Macs without having to do emulation? I think it is really great that this project exists. I volunteer for a group that refurbishes donated computers for benevolent causes around the world. TenFourFox allows us to make use of computers that would otherwise end up in landfills. Great Job

Looks like I am the only user of TFF left at MU? :-o Well, TFF FPR6.1 is still working ok. I added Decentraleyes extension, which accelerates a bit the commonly used websites. I unchecked uBlock and uMatrix lists auto-updates (which I suppose were happening at launch). Now, all in all, I'm quite close to the speed I had with v31.8 (with more extensions) and in the end it's quite a miracle to still be able to surf the Internet on a 1st gen Mini G4, 13 years later!

I was forced to update to the last version because my insurance company's website stopped working with v31.8... :-( Now the launch time is 33s (compared to 19s previously...) but once running there's not too much a difference, provided you get rid of as many addons as possible. Actually, I installed only uBlock Origin and uMatrix, which help a lot filtering useless crap: certain complex websites load faster than ever (20s less, for the heaviest ones!) All in all, the Mac Mini can still access nearly all the Internet, except for one site that freezes TFF — I wonder if it's the graphic card that is not fast enough or else...

Ouch! This time TFF put my G4 on its knees! :-o
"Fast and efficient" may be the case if you have a "fast and efficient" computer, say a multicore G5... :-D
It works kinda ok, though, with a clean basic profile with no extensions (21s to start, 29s to load a complex page) but updating my old profile with what I consider a basic set of extensions is way too much for a Mini G4 1.25 GHz with only 512Mb ram! (1'50" to start, 1'20" for the same complex page...)
I was hoping the new features could accelerate it in some way, but no way José.
Back to TFF 31.8. ;-)

Don't believe the absurd bad reviews below! :-D I've tested all recent versions on an iMac G5 2.1 GHz and a Mac Mini G4 1.25 GHz. Be careful to pick the right version for your processor and be aware that also Firefox can mess up an old profile (it happened to me in the past!), especially with some extensions) One word of warning though: Tenfourfox follows Firefox development, meaning that, as any growing software since computers exist, it gets slower across versions. The purpose of TFF is not to give you the fastest browser ever but to let you run a nearly up to date browser on your old machines. As I mentioned in a former review, if you value more speed, stick to version 31.8. I've done some tests on my G4, including html5test.com and speed-battle.com and both show v38.10 as a lot better than v31.8 (v45.7 is yet a bit better but not that much). But when it comes to real life testing, it's another story: v38 takes 6s more to launch, and every site I've tried is slower (from 1 to 10s more, depending on the site's complexity). I haven't done those tests on the latest version but I can believe it would be even slower, hence the only 4 stars I give. So, be sure to test the latest version on a fresh profile on a well maintained computer. ;-) My experience of Roccat has always been terrible — even if I helped translating its menus...) — I only can be thankful to TFF's dev as I can't see any other alternative!

45.6.0 DESTROYED MY POWERBOOK!!! I had some success with the earlier versions of Tenfoxfour but after installing 45.6.0 it was disastrous. After opening the updated browser my computer functions all failed -- I could move the mouse around but as soon as I clicked anywhere the spinning ball of death came on and would not go away. I tried rebooting and now my OS will not load. It gets to the Apple graphic and the load wheel just spins and spins. I've tried zapping the PRAM and starting with the shift key down with no luck. Now I need to dig out all the alternative key combos and try again... No more Tenfoxfour for me.

I've had no luck whatsoever with TFF on my G4 IBook (1.42 mhz. 1.5 gb.ram). It runs slow and and frequently freezes.. I had much better results with the Roccat browser.

Simply the best browser for your PowerPC Mac!

This review is for the latest 38.5 release, not 38.3! MacUpdate, please update your data! A great web browser for PPC users! It can render most modern websites like facebook, can use add-ons/extensions (most, not all) to enhance the web browsing experience, and is more stable than other browsers I've used (Roccat I'm looking at you!). The only 2 problems I have with it are its slow rendering speed and not-quite-100% support for html5 standards. Overall, a solid web browser for the old, yet mighty PPC!

No, this time, this browser has failed. The new update, the 38.5.0, is slower than ever, and when it has been force quit and then restarted, it keeps on trying to open the web page that failed. Still it has features that I cannot live without. I cannot understand how they have made the TFF so slow, like it needs a much faster environment to work in. It seems designed to make the users keen on finally switching from a PPC to an Intel machine. I am disappointed. One more thing: when you install an update of this software, the old version is not overwritten, because the new one has another file name. Why can't they keep the file name for the new versions, so that installing the updates can be made faster?

If you need to use Mac OS 10.4, Safari is clearly outdated and doesn't behave well on many sites. TFF is the only solution. My 83 year old mother uses my old G4 mini 1.25 GHz and recently she couldn't display correctly her bank account and some other site with stock Safari. I customized TFF for her to have a resembling environment and everything is fine. :-) Making thorough tests, I've found that TFF31.8 has a slightly lower footprint on that slow machine's performance (vs current 38.x) so I decided to stay there, for the time being.

Works flawlessly on my iMac G4, OS 10.5. Thank you very much for your work!

I'm using this on an iBook G4, 1 GHz, 512 MB ram, it's a babe! I've run 60 million browsers on this computer and TenFourFox is by far the best. Unlike every other browser, this one like NEVER crashes. I can surf the web perfectly comfortable on this iBook once again, it's just that websites take an extra second or two to load sometimes. Beautiful browser and i hope it lasts a long time.

Hey folks, I hate to say this but... it's over. Your PPC mac is now almost ten years old, MINIMUM. It's time to let go. A PPC is a novelty at best now. Go somewhere they sell them and buy one.

Today, I have just downloaded and installed the new version of TenfourFox, the 31.5. This time, it made me disappointed, because when I installed the German language pack, the TFF-31.x-Sprachpaket-Deutsch, I was disappointed to find that the menus were still displayed in English, just like in the versions of TenfourBird, the e-mail software, in my Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. This is the first time this software behaves that way., and I feel very disappointed of it.

v. 31.3 is rock solid on a dual G5 10.5.8 as was v.31.2. As HTML5 emerges this browser will become even more useful. Don't retire those PPCs yet. Install a SSD (Samsung 840 EVO work great) and max out the RAM (OWC still carries these) and you'll be good to go.

Brings my old iBook G4 back to life. Works great -- thank you!

A related side comment: 'MacTubes', the YouTube app recommended in the description notes, is essentially abandonware, no longer being developed. When you can get it to work at YouTube, it is terrific! But Google is constantly changing their YouTube code in order to thwart apps of this kind. Since MacTubes hasn't been developed since 2012, it is very far behind and now rarely works. Instead, I personally suggest the terrific donationware iTubeDownloader.

The versions based on version 24 were quite nice, they worked very well and I was quite happy with them. The most recent version based on 31 is basically unusable. It hangs for long periods of time, I get "script running too long" errors about scripts that are part of Firefox itself, downloads just stop, etc. Downgrading to 24.7.0 (while leaving everything else the same) has fixed things, so I can't recommend 31.0 at all.

I love this browser. I want to thank those that created and maintain it. I have two PPC Macs, both using Leopard, 10.5.8. It's nice having someone care about those of us who cannot afford new machines yet, and give us great programs to keep us up and running. This has now become my primary browser of choice. Thanks again for this great application.

If you can live without Flash (or can't live with it!) this is a great browser for PPC. I use it for both G5 and G4 7450. Although more and more sites work with the HTML 5 video player which works good in TenFourFox, I find that if I do need to play a Flash vid I use WebKit for Leopard PPC . WebKit is a good browser too but just a bit slower than TenFourFox.

Great for my G4 Imac on Leopard,This is a Great Browser.I'm glad that it is here for others to enjoy that have older systems.

I really like the browser as it is constantly updated with security fixes. I use the ESR version 17 can be found here: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ and the full list of all versions here: https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list ________________________________________ PS: I recommend to still wait some weeks, before switching to version 20

Nice! I love how when you open the browser it won't load all the tabs from the last session until you roll you cursor over the tab. I don't understand the new tab feature though. Where are the previews of the tabs? I just see a blank box with the tab's name under it.

Wonderful to have updated web browsing on older Mac hardware! The Devs deserve a huge thank you!

TenFourFox 10.0.11 is out and if you want HTML 5 you will need the Quicktime enabler v.115. Also, the final version of TenFourFox 17 is also in release and the Quicktime enabler v.116 is necessary for HTML5 with that version. You can get all of this for your PPCs here: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list An extensive list to be sure but it is all here.

TenFourFox 17.0b1 is out and includes important security and other fixes. Anyone using TFF 17.0a2 should update as soon as possible.

Without TFF we wouldn't have LW & AF! The Oxford of PowerPC browsers.

Great app, thank you for doing this software! Keep up the great work. If just someone could do the same with flash. P.S. Long live the PowerPC! :-)

I have a G5 1.8ghz dual processor running 10.5.8 and TenFourFox 9. I've just been prompted to change over to version 10.0.6 and when I do so I'm getting the 'stop sign' overwriting the icon and the dreaded "10.0.6 is not supported on this architecture". Could anyone offer any advice please?

I have a G5 1.8ghz dual processor running 10.5.8 and TenFourFox 9. I've just been prompted to change over to version 10.0.6 and when I do I'm getting the 'stop sign' overwriting the icon and the dreaded "10.0.6 is not supported on this architecture". Could anyone offer any advice please?

I have a G5 1.8ghz dual processor running 10.5.8 and TenFourFox 9. I've just been prompted to change over to version 10.0.6 and when I do I'm getting the 'stop sign' overwriting the icon and the dreaded "10.0.6 is not supported on this architecture". Could anyone offer any advice please?

After trying AuroraFox I've modev to their alpha version instead. Nothing to note so far, except the speed that TenFourFox for whatever reason is lacking on my Dual 2.0 G5 with 8gb or RAM. I hopa Floodgap studies what AuroraFox have done with their code and the code of Firefox, because lately I've found TFF going slower even with only a few tabs. This also with TenFourFoxG5b14. I'll report back if I find any limitations. but the web just got a whole lot more fun.

Just completed a road test of TenFourFox v.14 vs. 1.0.0 6 on a dual G5 2Ghz. w/ 4 gigs of RAM. Although both versions are very competent on a wide selection of sites v.14 was noticeably faster, overall. You can get both versions here: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list Keeping those very useful PPCs alive.

I'm an upgrade fanatic, so my main machine and notebook are i5/i7 and sports lastest OS, now 10.7.4... but i also have a old PowerMac G5 and seeing project like this one makes me happy! The G5 version work very well on my machine, thanks so much!!!

v14 is available for those PPCs here: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list The G5 version runs great! 1.0.0.6esr should be out real soon. Keeping that PPC alive!

Some TenFourFox users might be interested in knowing that there is a Thunderbird port out called TenFourBird. I didn't know about it until recently so it was a pleasant surprise for me to find that listed on MacUpdate.

Great work! I appreciate the developer's idealism!

This browser keep my powermac G4 Yikes alive ( no matter how old is ). I still use it to code for powerpc mac. It was stupid need to go upstair just to search some info. ( and to see/ear from you ... ) Make a try you'll surprised how fast is.

Version 1.0.0.5 is now available is very stable. Also, version 13 runs great on a dual G5. Until MacUpdate updates their links you can get both versions here towards the bottom of the page. http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

I suggest a derivative of this blog quote goes in to the presentation text as few people seem to be able gather the facts about plug-in support on their own (It's safe to assume an inclination to rush to conclusions is involved in a majority of posts): "It is not my intention to specifically break plugins, but I want it clear that I won't support them further and people use them at their own risk. Furthermore, the browser must ship in a safe configuration out of the box rather than expecting people to install things like Flashblock (which I heartily recommend). That said, plugin code is an integral part of the codebase, so there will always be plugin code in TenFourFox. There's just no guarantee that it will work" posted by "ClassicHasClass" July 14, 2011 in post related to TFF 6.0b1 http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/07/60b1-available.html

Despite the fierce development of the Firefox team Floodgap continue to churn out versions for Mac PowerPC Operating System. As long as plug-in support continues, inofficially and allegedly by accident, to work better than in any other PPC browser, I'll be a user on at least my Powerbook G4. I see few alternatives to use a modern browser on PPC.

Well, well, well... I have to make another review here, though nothing has changed for me: still working perfectly on my iMac G5 and my first gen Mac Mini G4!!! Hey, people! Instead of saying "rubbish" because you probably have something corrupted in your Firefox profile or you don't know how to make Flash movie play, don't forget: THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET LAST VERSIONS OF FIREFOX ON PPC! I second the great Mikael B to remind you the trick he gave in an old post (see Troubleshooting tab) to make Flash work again. Actually, online Flash videos play a lot more fluently in TenFourFox than in any other browser on PPC and this browser is the most stable and feature rich available! Safari always have glitches or stalls with Google and other sites. I use Camino, Safari and TenFourFox, depending on what I do, each one having its good and bad sides. Thanks a lot, Floodgap! :-)

Rubbish. No plug ins. Just 'wait for HTML 5' according to dev. In the meantime you can have 'PDFs with Javascript'. Rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish. Arrogant, stupid rubbish. Pointless waste of everyone's time.

I just installed TenFourFox for my G5 Mac running OS 10.5.8. It's an G5.1 Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 2.16 GHz processor speed. I have 1 gig of memory (can't expand), but I have been able to run FF and Safari just fine. My problem is when I try to open TFF, it opens, a window appears, (just as it would in FF) but it crashes almost immediately after launching. Any ideas on how to stop that? I've tried quitting all of my apps and other browsers, and it still does this. Thanks

TenFourFox 10.02 security update is out: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

TenFourFoxG5 v.1.0.0.1 seems to run without a hitch on a dual G5 2Ghz. 4 GB of RAM. Javascript performance is more spirited than FF 3.6.26 or the 3.6.27ENG. FF 3.6 series will not be updated after .27 as it stands now. (Conjecture?)

I'm still wondering why MacUpdate prohibits suggesting Tenfourfox as a "similar software" on most of the pages dedicated to the other browsers: I've repeatedly tried and have only succeeded for 2 small ones... I first thought it was because they were distinguishing Intel ones from PPC ones, but it's the same on Camino's page. There is probably a good explanation I haven't considered, but it looks pretty weird, as if TFF wasn't worth mentionning...

Hi Gang Adobe Flash Players Not Working Properly: I'm sure this topic has been covered before. I have 3 G5's #2 Dual Core 2.0's and #1 older SP 1.8. The Dual Core machines have two Browsers installed; TenFourFox ver 4, Safari 4.1.3 with Flash Player ver 10.0 r45. Most Videos play just fine including UTube. However my older 1.8 SP machine, (with browsers Safari 4.1.3, and TenFourFox ver 9), trying various versions of Flash DO NOT function properly. Each time I've used the Adobe uninstaller, then tried several archived players, including the latest. NONE will yield the same satisfactory results as with the Dual Core machines. Wonder if this situation could be related to the older 1.8 SP? Or whether the tpye of Video Card has anything to do with it? Thanx Mike Trailer; http://vimeo.com/7340608

I found some great tips from chtrusch for you with slower PowerPc machines: "browser.fullscreen.animateUp = 0 (prevents the stupid and sometimes very slow animation when switching to full screen) [alternatively: browser.fullscreen.autohide=false (leaves the navigation bar visible always)] browser.preferences.animateFadeIn = false (re-sizing is ok, but fade-in of content is non-standard on OS X anyway) browser.tabs.animate = false (no more "Assertion Failed. Giving up waiting for the tab closing animation to finish") browser.panorama.animate_zoom = false (instant switch from tab groups to normal window) " http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/12/awoafy-are-we-old-and-fast-yet-or.html#comment-form

There is now a Firefox 9.01. It seems there will be no 9.01 release, but a 10 release. There is a 9.01pre available http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list, however.

I'd be curious to know why it's so hard to localize TFF. I tried to copy the fr.lproj folder in the package from the official Firefox, but it doesn't work (while doing so in Camino to the Camino optimized built works... :-( Anyway, I'm still a happy TFF user and even more happy at each release! (providing you use the various tricks to bring back Flash and the like ;-)

Nice but a browser that can't play videos is useless for me. I'll stick with the G4 optimized version of Camino and OmniWeb.

Please forgive me, I wrote before seeing the "about:config" fix for re-enabling the TFF version 8 plugin functionality, works perfectly. Now when I click on Tools/Extensions, all the extensions + plugins are there. I will still keep both versions 5 + 8, until I fully check out this fix, then uninstall version 5. Thanks for this great fix.

As far as continuing to use plug-ins (as a non-techie, can't be without them!!)in TFF, I am using 2 versions of TFF, both 5 + whatever new version comes out. Version 5 allows plug-ins, but I also want to use version 8, so I use both. After unpacking version 8, I change the label of the icon from TenFourFox 7450 to TenFourFox 7450 (8). I then put this icon in my Apps folder so I now have both versions 5 + 8 in my Apps folder, puts aliases of both versions on my desktop, then choose either, contingent on what I am attempting online, works great on my iMac G4/800, 768 megs, DSL. Of course, I keep updating Firefox (now 3.6.23), from which TFF gets my configuration, profile.

Funny enough: thanks to the trick given by Mikael B (see troubleshooting tab) to make TFF Flash compliant again (though it's not supported anymore), It's the best browser I've tested for most video sites! (I know only one that still plays better in Safari) With every new version, it's getting better and has already lost the heavy and slow behaviour of former versions of Firefox. All in all, it's the best browser I use: not as fast as Sunrise to load pages, but more stable and without failures; I like Camino, but it became slow on loading pages; Safari hangs up sometimes, you don't know why... I found bad written sites that shows more badly in TFF than in Safari, but it was plain to see that those sites had problems in any browser. The future of TFF being dependent of Mozila's choices, it may have problems to follow Firefox "rapid release" pace (see dev'blog), but as it is now, I recommend TFF highly to PPC users!

Unhappy to report that this is the slowest experience on a browser that I ever had. I am using a iMac G4/800mhz/1GRam/7450. Switching tabs takes 3-10 seconds and everything is painfully slow. Not possible to use this everyday. Any pointers to speed this thing up? One other thing: typing a z in the address field clears everything in it.

Does anyone know is there is a PowerPC version of Thunderbird as well? It just occurred to me that if they make a PowerPC version of FF they might make a PowerPC of version of Thunderbird. That would be very useful as I don't know of any Email client that is updating their software for PowerPC.

I just noted in the release notes that TenFourFox 7.0 needs a minimum 512MB of RAM. "Systems with 256MB of RAM are no longer supported as of 7.0." http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/ReleaseNotes70 This change should be mentioned in the system requirements here at macupdate.

Si vous voulez Tenfourfox 7.0 en français, c'est par là : http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/issues/detail?id=61#c57

To reenable plugins in TenFourFox 7.0 go to the address field and type about:config. Press return and click on the "I'll be careful, I promise" button. In the filter input type "tenfourfox". You now see TenFourFox related preferences and can set new values by Double clicking each preference. To reenable set "tenfourfox.plugins.enabled" to true and "tenfourfox.layout.hideplugins" to false. If you want the java plugin activated set "tenfourfox.layout.hide_java_plugin" to false. Close the window or go to a web site to verify. Verified with Flash 10.1. I assume it will work with most other plugins as well.

I would love to install v7 on my clients PowerBooks but they play a lot of Java based games at Pogo.com and v7 has disabled Java. This move feels a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Floodgap at http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ is up again: Blog entry at: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html

I'm on a G5 PPC running 10.4.11 and my newly loaded 6.0.1 displays most body copy as numbers in boxes. Heads and subheads are mostly OK. Coding is set at UFT 8 and sites are allowed to select their own fonts is on. Any ideas. THX

Unfortunately, TenFourFox crashes when opening on my PowerBook G4 (10.4.11).

Anyone else seeing odd layout at facebook? My left navigation area have been slided horizontally all the way from its earlier left position to now residing well below, but on the right side of the search box. It's in TFF 4, 5 and 6.

this is a nice little slice of awesome, it really is ... I really only use my ol' G5 PPC primarily as a seedbox but its nice to have a modern FF browser on it when I need it .... pleasantly surprised on this accidental find

The fastest browser on PPC macs bar none. Just get the *proper* version for your processor at googlecode or the 6.01 version from the blog: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/08/601-now-available.html

No one else is supporting our G3, G4 and G5 Macs. Not Apple or the majority of the Apple community, Floodgap excepted of course :). Thanks to TenFourFox and all those behind it, I can continue to enjoy my '05 iBook G4. What a wonderful browser TenFourFox is, even sans plug-ins which often cause adverse issues anyway, up to and including preventing TenFourFox from loading up at all! I'm so glad I found TenFourFox when Mozilla made the decision to leave my iBook in the dust. Keep in mind, and a word to the wise, ensure when downloading TenFourFox, you grab the build that matches what you have. I discovered the build for the G5 will not come up on my G4 but that was my fault, when I downloaded the 7450 G4 build, it came right up as it should. I'd give TenFourFox 10 stars if I could. Thanks to everyone associated with this project and these great PPC browser builds for being there when we needed you. I will enjoy the added functionality as long as my G4 hangs around and you guys keep doing what you do!

I'm writing another review of this, as I don't think TFF deserves those bad reviews and so little "stars"; and it's a nice effort to give us PPC users access to recent versions of Firefox. It's working mainly perfectly well on my config (iMac G5 with 10.5.8), though it's not perfect on some very specific use — see Troubleshooting. I can switch from TFF5 to TFF4, then to Firefox 3,6 with no problem (except that one add-on have to be reinstalled and others are disactivated, but it probably would be the same with Firefox 4 and 5. This doesn't mean I'll make it my favourite browser, but it deserves it! And I definitely use it for myspace, facebook, Youtube and other heavy sites. I encourage satisfied users to share their experience here, I can't believe I was just one of the few who has no problem, why should it be? :-)

Terribly Bad Browser. Couldn't get it to launch at all on my G4 Flatpanel iMac running 10.5. Trashed it right away after trying to launch it 5 times.

I can't give this any rating. I ran it on my PPC G5 with 10.5.8, all it did was put a warning message way up in the upper left hand corner, with an OK button that doesn't work. Force Quit to move on with my life. Oh, and it broke one of my FireFox addons, which I had to uninstall/reinstall to make work again. As far as I'm concerned it's crap.

There's also a bug about windows default places (probably only if you have a second screen attached, like me): Windows always appear on the second monitor, no matter what I do. I've tried disabling all add-ons, but no way: even disabling that monitor, it takes a while to default ok to my main monitor (after a number of Quit/Restart...), but when I reactivate the second monitor, it soon returns to his former bad habits! :-(

Great idea and good to have something like the lastest Fire Fox on my PPC and my Tiger. After first tests it's running fine but crashed once. However, they say plugins will be disabled by default in version 6. Does it mean we get a browser without plug ins?

I have heard that there are other Firefox projects that will get FF to the PowerPC. Can someone tell me what a few of those other projects are? TenFourFox 5.0 has been way to sluggish for me while version 4 and Safari 5.0.5 run at acceptable speeds. I am running Minefield 4 but I can't get it to update for some reason.

Having problems with Youtube's html5 (actually worse than Camino!) while Safari reads them ok.

New version 5.0 installed and running beautifully on PowerBook G4 running Leopard. Noticeably quicker and smoother in my setup than 4.0 was (and it wasn't bad). I am running it by itself so I've not had the configuration issues others are reporting here... but it had no problem with any of the bookmarks, settings, and preferences of version 4 when upgraded. Also running it in my wife's Sawtooth system running Tiger with no problems. Major kudos to the developers for keeping perfectly viable PPC Macs going!

Why do none of these browsers not have a "back up" rules selection built into the program that a user could select ?

Using Firefox 3.6.18, TenFourFox 4.0.3, and TenFourFox 5.0 all on the same "startup partition", with no problems. Anyone who has used Firefox for more than a week should have learned how to setup profiles so as to keep the configuration of different versions of Firefox/TenFourFox separate. Firefox 4/TenFourFox is a MAJOR upgrade from Firefox 3.x, and should be handled appropriately.

Other than booting from a different startup partition, how exactly can one "keep a complete FF3 intact"? As soon as you startup TenFourFox, your Firefox 3 install is DESTROYED! Preferences LOST, Bookmark Icons LOST, Passwords LOST. TenFourFox scrambles sites beyond being able to read them, and then going back to Firefox 3 becomes a HUGE HEADACHE. All this on a G4 MDD running 10.4.11. Try TenFourFox only after booting from an expendable backup or you may be VERY SORRY!

I am not much of a techie, a fairly new Mac user but I have been using TenFourFox since it came out on an iMac G4/800, DSL, running Tiger 10.4.11. In my opinion much faster, more secure than Firefox 3, works perfectly on my machine. I kept my complete FF3 install intact because that's where TenFourFox configures itself from. Also, I update FF3 so that TenFourFox can re-configure from the newest FF3 version. I love Tiger + the PPC architecture so a perfect union of OS + browser.

The philosophy may be great, but I caution and urge anybody wanting to try this to boot up from a backup first! On a MDD G4, not only did TenFourFox render all websites unreadable, but going back to Firefox after starting up in TenFourFox becomes difficult. Previous preferences, logins, passwords, have to all be re-entered! TenFourFox may get you to switch to Safari!

I totally agree with the philosophy of this ! ;-) I was so happy making my scores with Cubase 4.0 on OS9 (or should I say since OS7.x? ;-). Now I have to struggle with a lot of OSX softwares that do complex things, but none of them beats the simplicity of those good days... :-( In the end, everyone will go Intel, we've got no choice, but 'til then my "old" Mini G4 running Tiger is good enough to play through it live mixes using Pro Tools, not to say surfing the web! Long live Ten4Fox and Minefield! :-D

TenFourFox (G5 build) runs very well on my MacBook Pro (OH sacrilage!!!) under Rosetta. Kudos to the developers for creating and maintaining this PPC project. How I long for the PPC Macs. One can dream.

I want to re-emphasize the need to read the developer's blog, found at: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com He gives you important insight into how the future development of TenFourFox is going to be different from official Firefox, but also, it's where he posts notices of beta builds. As of right now, TenFourFox 4.0.2pre beta2 is available.

Quite slow in comparison to Firefox 3.6. Also does not shutdown when you press "Quit"

Incredible effort. I've been using this since the first 4.0 betas, and it's always worked perfectly. Note that MU only has the link to the G5 build. If you have a G4 or a G3, go to the developer's web site to get the version optimized for your specific processor. And take a look at the developer's blog while you're there to get a full sense of his roadmap for the future.

I'm not running any PPC machines. However, the dev here deserves 5 Stars all the way around for doing this in the first place. WTG!

I really like this browser, and I totally agree with you. I feel bad bacause they still doing updates: safari + firefox + chrome + iTunes for XP but for powerpc tiger users we don't find many choices... shame... cos I'm not gonna throw away my iBook G4 if still running really nice...come on let's be serious...