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OmniOutliner Pro Reviews

25 July 2020

Pro version of the popular outliner.

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Odysseus
02 February 2020
Version: 5.5.2

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It's okay, but development is proceeding at a positively glacial pace: new features are few and far between, and annoying bugs remain unfixed. This application is obviously not a priority for OmniGroupe.
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shaikhia
01 August 2020
Version: 5.7.1
I was quite happy with OmniOutiner 3 and then came OmniOutliner 4. It was a disaster for me. I modified one of the custom templates and, everytime I created a link, the application blew. Numerous reports went sent but it was like spitting into the air; you just get wet in the face but the problem persisted. I am a graduate student and relied heavily on OmniOutliner. Five weeks ago, I tried OneNote and never looked back. Sure, there was no collapsible items but never once did it crash, even with pictures inserted into notes and files linked/attached. Shame on you, OmniGroup, for ignoring this product. I'm keeping OmniOutliner around to get at my old notes but moving forward, it won't be with OmniOutliner. I also used OmniFocus--the operative word here being used." Now, I'm off all of them and will sink no more money to enrich the Group. It was good while it lasted but that's the trouble with developers: they give you what they think you want, not what you want.
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Odysseus
02 February 2020
Version: 5.5.2
It's okay, but development is proceeding at a positively glacial pace: new features are few and far between, and annoying bugs remain unfixed. This application is obviously not a priority for OmniGroupe.
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1.5
Ralkem
15 November 2015
Version: 4.4
Unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to be able to express my thoughts in a technical way, so all I can say is I totally agree with the good, critical, reviews below. I recently downloaded a trial version of OO Pro 4 and am asking myself why would a serious software company turn something so good (v3.xxx) into something so bad (v4.xx). Why on earth did they take out the ‘Clipping Service’. And as for the ‘Styles’!!. I have used OO Pro for may years and considered it the best of all but am now faced with the prospect of having to use an alternative programme. I can’t see Omni supporting v3 in the future (thereby admitting v4 is inferior) and who’s to say that any future OS upgrade won’t make OO v3 unusable. At the moment NeO is looking likely to be my alternative programme, but I wish I didn’t need to go through the required learning curve. Anyway, apart from the negative technical/operational comments of v4, the upgrade price is just plain ridiculous. A comment has been made about OmniWeb. Some years ago I paid for a licensed copy….silly me.
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cogden
06 August 2015
Version: 4.3
More failed promises in this version. How long has both tech support and sales been promising CLONING? YEARS! It sure seems like the #1 feature request. How about just announcing you have no intention of including cloning, rather than stringing along your clients?
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2.5
Lev
02 December 2014
Version: 4.1.4
Looks pretty. Doesn't crash. But... a downgrade from v3 in many ways. Given that most task-specific research now is web-based, the removal of any clipping service is a critical failing. "Doesn't work in a sandboxed environment" rather doesn't cut it. Plenty of other apps (NoteSuite, Scrivener, OutlineEdit, Evernote etc. in the App Store, Circus Ponies Notebook and the more functionally advanced, though not so candy-flavoured, NoteTaker, DevonThink, DevonNote and a host of others *not* in the App Store) have managed it. Styles are arguably *less* intuitive than before; for example, choosing a style to apply to 'All Level <n> Rows' doesn't highlight the rows it's going to apply to, unlike v3, leaving you in the dark. Am I in Level 3 but applying it to Level 2 by mistake? OO 4 doesn't say. The handy navigation dropdown has been replaced by a clumsy "contents" sidebar. Improvements we might reasonably have expected after so long, and at a high upgrade cost, just haven't happened. It's impossible to filter on any degree of Boolean multiple-term search; nor can searches be saved. There is at least now a primitive and clumsy linking of outline items, though way behind what NoteTaker, Tinderbox, Neo et al. have been doing for many years. Checkbox states ("Show me only the stuff where 'Done' is checked") are unsearchable. Multiple finds can't be seen all at once; you have to skip from one to the next. It looks pretty, yes. And the integration, via OmniPresence, with iOS mostly works, usually, though it's a bit of a lash-up; I don't want to have to put things I want to sync across devices *all in the same folder* but tough luck on that one. Cloning? Oh come *on*. Of course there's no cloning. Et cetera. Omni Group has always been a kind of avatar of the Mac ethos. For whatever reason, they're following the current direction of Apple: pout, twinkle and let the rough guys do the actual *work*, honeypie. It's a shame. But it's not really "Pro" except in the after-dark Sunset Bvd. sense. If it didn't have the multiple columns as a USP, I'd look for another solution. Matter of fact, I think I'll look for another solution anyway, if only for the random ditching of the clipping service. The columns are only a matter of prettying up, anyway; you can't *do* much with them. It seems to be the way Omni is heading. Similar cosmesis-over-function seems to have been the governing principle behind Omni Focus, too. Think I'll turn into the kind of old fart who says "I remember when you could stuff with your computer *even if Apple didn't like the idea*. Now if you'll excuse me, there's a wind getting up and I have to go whistle in it.
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Kaidoh
22 April 2014
Version: 4.0.4
I'm sad to say I can't follow the raves about Version 4. After 9 years (!) of waiting, Version 4 is a disappointment. I've been using this programm for thirteen years and was really hoping for some evolvement. Nothing happened: No cloning or bookmarks or saved searches or perspectives or in-document-links to ease working in bigger outlines. In their blog the OmniGroup told, that the new Version shares OmniFocus' data structure. That fueld hopes that some of OF's sorting and filtering powers would appear in OmniOutliner ("perspectives"). Boy, what a overestimation! Searching is so very basic in Version 4, it is almost a joke (even in the version that calls itself "Pro"). Filtering is simply not possible - you can't even hide lines which checkboxes are ticked (that alone would have been a big help). The export options are still limited - they simply have not changed from V3. Export to Word is still erroneous and not customizable, export to Pages: only via Word format. Keynote export only gives you the old Keynote 09 format. When I try to open that in the new Keynote, all I get are error messages. The Focus Mode (the feature formerly known as hoisting) ist is buggy and shows me ghost lines from parts of the document that should be hidden away. And if you liked the snippet functionality from version 3, you have to be very strong now: this one is gone in version 4. What you get is a a lot of UI polish, some nice templates, minor changes in stylesheets, the ability to zoom text (whoa!), improved URI handling (yeah!). I know, changing the innards of a programm is not trivial. But as a end user I'm judging software by the functionality and user experience it delivers. Functionality-wise OO has not changed. Version 4 is basically the same program we got almost a decade ago. I liked it ten years ago but it failed to catch up with todays needs. It gives you a hard time integrating it with other software in a workflow (yes, you can do it all by yourself by hand using XSLT or Applescript, but: sigh!). Also, collaboration was obviously never an issue in planning version 4. It's a one-user-per-time thing, but hey, you can use Dropbox and kin. After 9 years the OmniGroup did not manage to deliver anything that made me think "wow". I paid for V4 and I regret it. I once loved this outliner, but I will abandon it, file by file. For me, the feeling of potential has stalled into the feeling of a dead-lock. What a pity.
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bowlerboy-jmb
07 February 2014
Version: 4.0.2
I rarely use superlatives in reviewing a particular software application or developer, because if everything is the “best,” then nothing can be better. But I have to admit that, as a writer, and as an inveterate list-maker, and as planner and a thinker, I really on OmniOutliner Pro to organize just about every aspect of my life. With the recent arrival of version 4, the OmniGroup, which I consider one of premier software developers in the entire Mac software world based on the overall high quality of all of its products, OmniOutliner finally gives us the zoom / magnification feature that was missing in its otherwise excellent renditions. It was often tiresome trying to read the tiny font sizes—especially as you get older and your eyes can no longer see the threads of the baseball coming at you, like they once did. It required a little extra work, all that having to create documents with very large font sizes to compensate for that design flaw. After all, I used to complain, if a browser can blow up the text on a web page, why can’t OmniOutliner be just as flexible? Finally, that lack of magnification problem is fixed! Version 4 also includes a much better written, better illustrated tutorial on how to create and use styles, which is one of the program’s most powerful features (among many!), but can be tricky to set up and execute until you get the hang of it. This program is always open on my desktop, no matter what else I am doing. I can pop into it to make a quick note, do some brainstorming, think through a project with all its sub-sets and details, draft a letter, write a chapter of a book, draft an email, or even sketch out my MacUpdate reviews, which I what I am doing right now in it. Or, I can copy a URL to a website that I want to check out later, or record a voice note, or insert an image, or just outline a variety of things can be organized by a parent topic, and sub-divided into children sub-topics. Some people (myself included) have rightly complained that the OmniGroup took their sweet time upgrading to version 4 and implementing the nice, new zoom in feature. It’s hard to judge a company if we don’t know their staff situation and their company’s priorities. But I can personally testify that this new version must have their attention right now. It must be important to them to fix any bugs in this new release and to make sure customers are happy. For example, over the past couple of days, I reported through their built-in Crash Reporter, that the program crashed when I tried to revert to a previous version of the document I was working on. Today, I got a personal response back telling me that the problem was fixed and a new version was ready to be downloaded, which, as you see from the description, was one of the reasons incorporate into the minor upgrade to version 4.0.2. So, as I see it, now is the right time to buy, because the more people who start using the program while the iron is hot among their programming staff, the sooner any minor bugs can be squashed and the application made as perfect as it can be. I suppose that there are other fine outlining programs available, but I have been so content with OmniOutliner Pro that I am not even tempted to try them out, even though I’ve obtained licensed copies of competing products included in some of the bundles I bought. In short, I have no hesitation in recommending OmniOutliner Pro as a superlative product worthy of your consideration, and I would recommend that you give the demo a trial run to see for yourself. Once you compare its wide feature set with the other outlining products available, you’ll then have to decide if you want to buy the premier application in its category, or settle for a less powerful—and undoubtedly cheaper—product. The “best” product always deserves to demand a higher price. In the case of OmniOutliner, I find their price worth it.
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Iliketrash
28 January 2014
Version: 4.0.1
How does OmniOutliner 4 compare to NeO (which costs $9.99)? Aficionados in the past have complained of missing features in OmniOutliner < 4 relative to NeO. Has OO 4 closed the gap?
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Szeoli
20 January 2014
Version: 4.0
There is a bug in this app. I bought my upgrade, and have been trying to use it all weekend, but the inspector window does not appear. I only get a slender bar that says "inspector," but no control or anything underneath. I've been waiting for a response from support since Friday (admittedly, its a long weekend here in the states). I'll post when and if they help me solve this.
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2.5
Mar6473
28 October 2012
Version: 3.10.6
A great app, but it seems like they've dropped it. There hasn't been a new version in four years. It's very dated at this point.
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5
1984x
06 April 2012
Version: 3.10.4
I bought this to brainstorm some solutions to life's problems. I needed to distance myself from a coterie of riff-raff that I was surrounded by and to figure out a way to make some more money. OmniOutliner Pro helped a lot. It kept me focused. I improved my life. For $70 that is amazing. Thanks Omni Group.
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Shidong
04 April 2012
Version: 3.10.4
very good software, just do not understand why changed to this ugly icon......
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3.5
Chris-Walken
08 January 2012
Version: 3.10.3
For basic outlining needs, it has a very nice and easy to use interface especially with the sections drawer in the Pro version. (Styles, however, are sometimes not so easy to use). In fact, it's surprising that other apps haven't really been able to match its basic features. Development of new features is absurdly slow, if they hadn't said otherwise I would have just assumed they were done with it. Still a very good app.
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4.5
Vandulus
02 September 2011
Version: 3.10.3
OmniOutliner Pro was one of the earlier programs I bought years ago when I switched over to the Mac. Since then I've found it indispensable and use it on a daily basis for managing lists, inventories and ideas. While it's extremely easy to use, there are some powerful features it has especially in regards to formatting. Omni is a mature and responsive company with great support and an active community. That said the only complaints I have are: - It's taking forever for Omni to put out version 4 - It gets pricey to buy Omni's apps especially when you need to buy for the iPad and iPhone. Bundle deals would be very nice! - No iPhone version. Even a view-only version would be helpful!
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kbaxxx
30 August 2011
Version: 3.10
Really nice outliner. Some things are a bit non-obvious (like splitting some text into two items), and sometimes it just doesn't respond to my typing for a number of seconds at a time. Also, If find the hoist function confusing. Apart from that, it's well designed, and easy to use, and quick to create outlines.
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Espiridion
15 July 2011
Version: 3.10
I bought my copy of OOP a bit over 6 years ago. I found it to be easy to use, with a nice-looking interface (like all things OmniGroup), and thanks to some special offers the price was not too bad. About a year ago I purchased NeO/Tao. I had tried it in the past and found it to be unintuitive, plus it felt like a work-in-progress with all the constant updating. This time it felt like a more mature application. Almost anything I can do with OOP I can do with NeO. I can't record sound directly into NeO. I don't recall ever using that feature in OOP, though. I can't have a summary of the duration time in sub-tasks (yet). Another feature that I did not find in NeO was related to the use of checkboxes. I sent feedback to NeO's developer and now that feature is working perfectly in NeO. This is not to say that OOP does everything NeO does and more. It doesn't. These are just some missing features in an otherwise very powerful outliner. OOP has not evolved nicely. It lacks many features and recent development has focused more on compatibility, bug fixes, and minor enhancements than on adding truly "Pro" features. For people preferring ease of use and who don't mind paying a premium, OOP is a decent choice. Those who want faster development, truly "Pro" features (e.g., cloning), and don't mind reading a manual or accessing Help (as well as saving some money) may be better served by NeO/Tao. A 6 year old comparison of both outliners: http://www.atpm.com/11.10/atpo.shtml Since that review, Tao (and later NeO) received numerous updates including not only bug fixes but also added features. The current price is $20. In the past 2 years, OOP has remained pretty much stagnant except for the above mentioned compatibility changes and bug fixes. Although I have both applications, I have not made an outline in OOP since purchasing NeO, and I've used NeO regularly to create a variety of very diverse documents, from simple outlines to structure some ideas to more complex documents with links, pop-up lists, and a lot of formatting in terms of fonts, colors, backgrounds, etc.
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Ritzykat
12 October 2010
Version: 3.9.5
I use OmniOutliner 3 very regularly for school notes and other lists. Generally, the app is a good one. I have found some bugs with the column titles. They are ones that I experience quite often and worth mentioning. 1. Not being able to change the format of the column title to align->centre. 2. Column title disappearing after changing the text in that cell and then clicking on to the rest of the document. OmniOutliner3 was notified by other users including me of these annoying bugs and said they were working on the problems. However, the end result since I noticed these problems about half a year ago seems to be a continuation of these problems. OmniGroup doesn't give enough bug fixes. That being said, the application is easy to use, looks good, and generally works the way you want it to work. If not for the lack of bug fixes I would give it a 5. All things considered it gets a 4.
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Maclife215
19 September 2010
Version: 3.9.5
Mini Review: I've been trying to stray away from OmniOutliner Pro as my personal info hub and project organizer for awhile (in favor for something with more productivity features), but I keep coming back to OmniOutliner because its a solid app that's easy to use and plays well with Mac OS X. I really hope they start focusing their new features less on desktop publishing, and more towards productivity. For example, the ability to link to cells. I think the search feature can be improved on. I don't like that the search bar is in the utility drawer. I also think the interface of the inspector can be cleaned up. If only their was something in between Omnioutliner & Omnifocus (and no, not Notebook, tried it... it's a cool app but I have some issues with it.) I've never liked OmniFocus because I find it overcomplicated. That being said, OmniOutliner is the best in its class. I depend on it daily. I can't wait for 4.0. The app is due for a epic update. Come on Omnigroup... bring it!
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Lev
18 November 2009
Version: 3.9.4 beta 1
A year since my last comment and still no links or clones, nor any sign of them. We've still not got back to where we were in the old OS 9 days with More. Without clones/links OO is just a list manager with cool (though clunkily-implemented) formatting tools. Slightly mystifies me; an outliner is (for me at any rate) a preliminary tool for fixing up structures, arguments etc., and formatting is fairly low down on the list of things I need at that stage of a project. Still; it has plenty of happy users so perhaps I am in a tiny minority...
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Osp
27 October 2009
Version: 3.9.3b2
To me it is still one of the best outlining tools on the Mac - an evergreen. It scales brilliant from the most simple outlining to very sophisticated ones. To get a feeling on how good it really is you have to try it as well as other outlining tools. One of the things I have to mention is that the framework seams to be a bit dated. Maybe it is time to cut some old compatibility to get rid of some display problems. All in all I can only highly recommend it to everyone who is looking for an outlining tool the first time or who is looking for an alternative.
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Sommop
28 April 2009
Version: 3.9 beta 1
Just a quickie comment. For somebody like me, who has paid for OmniWeb, it is very frustrating to see how often Omni releases updates for OmniOutliner and how little forward movement there has been for OmniWeb. This suggests to me that Omni has pulled their best talent off of OmniWeb and is leaving it stranded as a kind of orphan product.
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Lev
25 November 2008
Version: 3.7.2
Links? Hello? Links? LINKS? You know: like this that? I can't understand why, when Tinderbox and Notebook and Notetaker and DevonThink and Scrivener and VoodooPad and TAO and Curio and all those other apps which take into account that one way of managing information is by LINKING information, Omni still haven't stuck links -- LINKS -- into Outliner. Oh, I forgot. That one other thing which has links. You know. The interweb. Just to clarify, this comment is about LINKS. May we have them? I mean, they *have* been invented already.
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Jazzaddict
03 September 2008
Version: 3.7
While 3.7 is welcome I think it's long overdue. I think they should of had this release out back when 10.5 was released; and 4.0 would be nice right about now. OmniOutliner should be further along in utilizing Leopard technologies (IMHO). Still my Favorite outliner for the mac. :-)
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Teksestro
21 May 2008
Version: 3.6.5
This is a fantastic little app, and a real gem among the outliners/listers available on the Mac. My gripes with the program seem to be the same that other reviewers have: * too long between updates - ok, this is not their flagship app, but they should not wait so long as to make their current userbase feel neglected. I remember when OmniGraffle and this were is more-or-less equivalent version numbers, and now there is already a huge discrepancy between them. OmniGraffle has increased in its complexity and list of functions, and even has some of OmniOutliner's capabilities built into it now... * there are several *little* nagging problems, which have been pointed out by users (including me) over the years to the developers, and which remain without solution. Example: OmniOutliner has a "Duriation"-type column, but this 'duration' means only hours, days and months. I need to keep duration in MINUTES, and have it automatically total the minutes into hours. Not only does it refuse to do that, it insists on interpreting "33m" or "33 mins" or "33' " as 33 months. If I simply type '33', it interprets this as 'hours'. While this is not a *major* flaw, it is just one of several *pesky* little limitations, which should have been addressed a long time ago, and stop the program from going from 'good' to 'fantastic'. OmniGroup, please, do give OmniOutliner some attention, and keep up the good work. It *is* appreciated.
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Simonm
26 February 2008
Version: 3.6.4
This is one of 3 programs from Omni that do variations on the same theme (the others being OmniPlan and OmniFocus). Seems to me (and from what I've heard about excessive upgrade prices) that they're really only out there to make money. I can't believe they still try to charge for a web browser! Who would pay that? Their programs are OK but way over-priced. It wouldn't take a talented Mac programmer too long to make a similar app as this. I haven't seen it do anything I really need anyway.
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Dougeddy
27 July 2006
Version: 3.6.1b2
I love OmniOutliner but until they fix the print process I'm not sure I can use it. I have found TAO offers many of the same things I need but does not suffer from the print difficulties. When OmniOutliner came out they said it would be the MORE replacement. So far I don't see that. I want an outliner (forget the other stuff MORE had) that works and PRINTS as simply as MORE. I am a clergyperson and used to use MORE for my sermons (what a dream app - could easily move stuff around and print with no problem. Could change font size, spacing, etc. with such ease - and PRINT). OmniOutliner fails that print test. Please understand - I LOVE Omni products. It is just the outliner has not reached the printing capabilities I need. I don't have time to play the “90% scale” junk to get it to fit a page, print as laid out, and have it all fit ease I had with MORE. PLEASE Omni - all I want is to have you at least meet OS9 print standards. Other than that, your program is A++++. Doug Eddy
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Dana-Sutton
04 May 2006
Version: 3.6
Just a quickie comment. For somebody like me, who has paid for OmniWeb, it is very frustrating to see how often Omni releases updates for OmniOutliner and how little forward movement there has been for OmniWeb. This suggests to me that Omni has pulled their best talent off of OmniWeb and is leaving it stranded as a kind of orphan product.
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4.5
Inik
09 March 2006
Version: 3.6 beta 1
Great outliner, extremely extendable into a variety of tasks. For pure text "brainstorming" outlining, I think there's better products. This isn't MORE. However, for more general purpose outlining: task lists, project management worksheets, etc..., there are none which come close. I use this program instead of text files to store all the random stuff in my life. It's quicker, prettier, and more functional than plain text! This latest update adds some extremely helpful Applescript and Spotlight hooks which make it even easier to wedge OO into your daily workflow.
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Anonymous
17 October 2005
Version: 3.0.4b2
Slight problem with date entry - if I enter 3/10, it tends to interpret it as March 10, rather than October 3 - this is despite my machine having UK settings, where we use d/m/y rather than m/d/y. The current beta of version 4 does it, too. Any chance of a fix, please?
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Anonymous
18 September 2005
Version: 3.0.4b2
Compare this with Devonthin Pro for example, it's the same category - OO can "style", but it can't to something essential. Even an thingy like "Circus Ponies Notebook" offers links between cells - OO can't. OO is highly overpriced, it's not "professional", it's useless for serious work.
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Anonymous
26 April 2005
Version: 3.0.2 beta 3
Software from Omni is just great. Their website is also fun :-) I have both Outliner Pro and Graffle Pro, and they helped me a lot.
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4.75
Anonymous
18 February 2005
Version: 3.0.1
OmniGroup kicks ass! This might quite possibly be the single most useful program on my computer! Truly great!
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3.75
Anonymous
10 February 2005
Version: 3.0.1b1
I had to figure out the download URL for myself as the one here is totally wrong. Somebody please fix. Otherwise, fantastic app...could be seen as a little expensive for the pro version, but depends how much you use it. I use it a lot... :)
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Anonymous
05 February 2005
Version: 3.0
I just want to add that working with the style-sheets is really wonderful. It is really useful and really easy to change the style of the first level, second level, or notes. And working with the sections is amazing. It's also useful that you can switch sections via a toolbar drop-menu instead of the drawer. I think this will become my primary idea/outlining/writing app. Good solid Mac OS X experience
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4.5
Anonymous
01 February 2005
Version: 3.0
Better than I thought, but Pro price is a bit too high. Wasn't planning on paying to go Pro but the extra sections feature is too useful. I am looking how it compares to Hog Bay Notebook 3. I want to use less apps and I always use OmniOutliner for outlines and lists, so we'll see. Would be better if there was only one version of OmniOutliner because I hate the differentiation with minimal difference. Oh well.
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4.25
Anonymous
09 January 2005
Version: 3.0
This really is a nice and very usefull app! but Omni.... it's way overpriced!
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2.75
Anonymous
06 January 2005
Version: 3.0
My Inspector windows are acting funny. Sometimes when I open them I get an error message saying "Can't Cache Image" and the Inspector windows are all screwed up. Anybody know why? I restarted and they went back to normal but after I quit Omnioutliner the problem came back. I'm using OS X 10.3.6 and Omnioutliner Pro 3
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2.5
Anonymous
06 January 2005
Version: 3.0
$70????? You've got to be kidding!! Omni, your time is better spent elsewhere, as is my money. While I'm sure this may appeal to some people, this application is a poor value compared to other more capable outliners and freeform databases. I love your work but this application took for too long and offers so little. Sorry to be negative but that's how I feel. Omniweb, on the other hand, is a must-have application.
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4.25
Anonymous
30 December 2004
Version: 3.0 beta 8
This is a very solid app. As can be clearly seen from some of the more negative reviews below, it obviously doesn't suit everyone. But it meets my needs very nicely--and I'm sure I'm not alone--though it would be nice if there were more obvious and powerful "join" options (hence the only 4 stars for features). Some of the new style stuff does feel a bit over the top, but I guess there are indeed times when I don't want to reformat/start over in a word processor so I can appreciate the utility of such things even if I won't use them that much. The upgrade price, especially for the Pro version, is a bit steep, though, which is why I only gave it 3 for value. But 5's for ease of use and stability are well-earned, OO is very easy to just pick up and use and I don't think I've ever had OO2 crash on me; even the betas of OO3 have been highly stable.
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4.25
Anonymous
30 December 2004
Version: 3.0 beta 8
I do like this newer version, as Omni has always worked at making graphically oriented software in its usage. I just wish the price was a bit less...that's all.
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Omnisupportguy
11 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
Reposting this up top, as well in response to steve below: If this happened, I'd like to know about it. We guarantee our registered users 48 hour turnaround on their support emails, and if you're not registered, we still make every effort to get back to you. If you sent email to omnioutliner@omnigroup.com or support@omnigroup.com and didn't hear back from us at all, that's a problem that I want to correct.
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Omnisupportguy
11 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
Boy; there's a lot to respond to here. Yeah, there are different users out there, and they want different things. When we decided to start in on OmniOutliner 3, there were at least three broad categories of users we could go for. Some folks used OmniOutliner 2 as a to-do list and organizer - they wanted one set of features. Other folks looked at the fact that we had columns and summaries and wanted us to go in a more spreadsheet-y direction. The largest broad category of feedback we got, though, was "I really like writing in OmniOutliner, but I need to export my document to Word, or AppleWorks, or SomeOther.app before I can show it to anyone." Many of these users were the folks that ponied up far more than Outliner costs, even at the new pricing, for a tool from back in the day called MORE. I used to do a lot of OmniOutliner support, and I cannot count for you the number of times that we got email that began "I really like OmniOutliner, but I used to use this tool called MORE..." This broad class of users was the bigger than the other broad categories, and when you're developing any application, you have to prioritize. The features you *could* implement will always be more numerous than the features you have time to actually implement. So, yes, we focused on better presentation in our documents and on the printed page. We added tools for the folks that we know wanted those things. Those users are lawyers, students, teachers, and authors. If you're the type of user that doesn't care one whit about what things look like, if you're the sort of user whose documents are just used to keep yourself on track and they never leave the format of your monitor, then I can understand you being a little disappointed by version three. It, quite honestly, was not designed for you as a user. And I'm sorry for that; if we had infinite time and infinite resources, we'd have loved to develop everything at once and present you with an app that did the data-driven stuff you're after and had great presentation features. We ran the risk, however, of becoming the Mozilla of outliners, though - nifty, feature-packed code that takes so long to appear that no one really cares any more when it does arrive. Okay. About pricing. For the standard version, we definitely had some people here who opposed increasing the price at all. However, other people felt very strongly that the product was underpriced at $29.95, and the "That's all? Are you crazy?" look we'd get at MacWorld when we demoed version 2 factored into the "what do we price 3" discussion. We definitely do not plan to do this with every iteration of the product. Of course I can't promise we'll never increase the price again, but this was a 'fixing what we thought was wrong' decision, not an "inflate the pricing" strategy we want to adhere to every time we release a new version. As for Pro, we had a lot to consider. We looked at the feature set, we looked at its retail competitors, NoteTaker and NoteBook ($69 and $49), we looked at our past experience selling Pro versions of our software. We offer features no other outliner does (named styles, for instance), in addition to being on par with similarly-priced apps. Of course, charging for the sum of its parts means that some folks only want one feature in Pro, and that one feature costs them the whole upgrade. Other folks, though, get a heck of a deal. And if you don't need any of the features in Pro at all, that's why we offer standard. We look at it as saving some of our customers money, rather than forcing anyone to pay for features that they don't need. And lastly: comparison with other applications. All I'll say is that when you have multiple applications that are doing the same sorts of things, you end up with feature overlap. In some case this is out-and-out copying; in other cases, it's a simple case of parallel evolution. If you don't care a whit about styles, then OmniOutliner 3 may not be for you. We don't hate you for that fact, and all we ask is that you not hate us or our users because they do. If anybody copied anything, Tao, Outliner, and the other outliners popping up in the last three years all copied from MORE; we just picked different features and we did it in different orders. =)
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
Have to agree with everything said below... I've been playing with OO3 for a week now. I too have been awaiting this release for SO long, and it's such a disappointment - lots of visual whizz, but little extra functionality from v2. So many other outliners are way beyond this now... Cloning, gathering, etc. TAO in particular is FAT with USEFUL features, not just visual fluff. Also, many other developers are really quick to respond to requests compared to Omni Group - you just hit a wall of silence with them. Takashi (developer of TAO) often has a new release with a requested feature within days of asking. That's worth a lot more than glitter!
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
You invariably get a swelling of OmniFans whenever something new rolls around. To them, OmniGroup can do no wrong, even when they release a basic outliner for $70 -- they'll be first in line to literally waste enough money to buy a PDA. Think about that for a minute -- is this program really worth the over-all net worth of a PDA? To the person who thinks OO3pro is more powerful than TAO -- I suggest you do a bit more research before you just automatically assign OO3 a higher value based on your prior experience and obvious bias. I've been using OO since version one, and I've been waiting for 3 for a year now. I'm quite ticked at Omni for what they've done here. First, they've barely updated the software, and secondly, they put all of the reasonable updates into a ridiculously priced "pro" version, leaving an artificially dismantled version at still yet ten dollars more than the original OO cost. I'm sorry, inflation has not gone up that much. So I started looking for other outliners, and boy were my eyes opened. Yes, Hog Bay NoteBook really does do quite a lot more than OO3Pro. It happens to have nearly every pro feature (excluding styles, which are the most outrageously unnecessary feature I've ever seen, bar none!) for less than the cost of OO3 Standard. I'm not even going to go into TAO that much, because it has so many power outliner features from the glory days of power outliners, you probably don't even know what all it can do, so you cannot recognise the power of its functions. If you live in something as remedial as OO, I can understand. And yes, it does stylesheets too -- in a more intelligent way than OO3Pro, in my opinion, too. Prettier? No, but functionally, yes. Which is all that really matters. You can throw pretty rings around crap, but it its still over-priced, marketing crap. For people who come from a background of more powerful software, it is quite obvious how basic OO is, and OO3Pro has done extremely little to advance it. The only thing it has going for it is columns. TAO will have those shortly. Finally, you analogy with BMW is most amusingly accurate. BMW, like Omni, excel at getting a drooling fan base and gullible outsiders to spend far, far more than they should on something which can be had for a fraction of the cost. I'm sure you meant something complementary by that, but I sure do not see it.
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
You're kidding me, right? Comparing what OmniOutliner Pro clearly is on track to become to Hog Bay? This application is going to be a seriously powerful and useful tool, just like OmniGraffle Pro already is. And OmniWeb too. I can't imagine my net experience without OmniWeb. I wouldn't be able to do my work without OmniGraffle Pro. And I know that OmniOutliner Pro will fill the same need. I'll be online, buying it, as soon as it's for sale.
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Mrandre1
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
Everyone's got an opinion, so I won't accuse the previous reviewers of being on crack. I will instead note that I strongly disagree with assertions that Omni products are severely overpriced, and that competing products do "Just as much". Hog Bay is a fine product. TAO is a fine product. I've used Hog Bay extensively. I've looked at TAO and been unimpressed. Both are cheaper than OmniOutliner, and for a reason. They do less. Near as I can tell, they are both outlining programs, whereas OO3 is an outliner/database. I haven't seen a similar combination of outliner and database elsewhere. And I most certainly haven't seen one that is as easy to manage, and so gosh darn beautiful. The potential uses of OOPro 3 boggle my mind. Now, maybe you don't care if your app is beautiful, and maybe you don't need a database embedded in your outline. Maybe giving your headings a dropshadow isn't high on your priority list. Maybe writing your novels and managing your lists and managing your finances with the same app isn't a priority to you. Maybe you just want an outline, thank you very much, and if the options are limited, and you don't need to handle column structures. Then TAO and Hog Bay cost less and will cover your bases. But to suggest that OO3 does not contain more power presented in a more attractive and powerful way is dishonest. Some people drive Fords, and some people drive a BMW. OmniOutliner is a BMW for those of us who want the very very best. If that's what you want, welcome.
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
70 bucks? wha?
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
when is omni going to learn that charging outrageous prices for stuff *cough* this and omniweb *cough* that isnt even close to head and shoulders above the competition is ridiculous and only hurting them? Hogbay Notebook is cheaper, does more, is all around better. i've yet to recommend any omni product because it's good stuff, but far amazing/innovative, and the prices are laughable. this is certainly no exception.
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Anonymous
10 December 2004
Version: 3.0b5
If you are going to spend this much on an app, you'd may as well just apply the funds toward a substantial app like MS Office and get sooooooo much more for your money. This is a joke at best and only a fool would spend this kind of money for this app...a joke for the money. ZPro what? Yeah, right...
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