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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Ok, I think I may have figured out what is going on, and it looks like it's not x264.

If I were to go to the x264 settings, I would notice that the preview window was much darker than the source file: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-exj43gmr26386griduc2abquxe.jpg

Switching to h.264 (or any other choice) showed a preview window much closer to the original source: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-ns842yu76qws2fskm1hxtkfay9.jpg

So, right now Im thinking the x264 file will be darker than the h.264. This IS true and what my original pictures above showed.

But in reality, what is happening is h.264 is actually producing video that is LIGHTER than the source! I was able to go through iMovie package files to find the source and compare: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-8wx6km4b2hasuiujrm3scw3qri.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20091113-qnfp9tu3b1itmjaxyhjn56kbkp.jpg

What threw me off was the preview window. x264's preview window is darker than the source, but exports OK. h.264's preview window looks OK, but exports video that is lighter than the source.

Does that make sense? Thank you for looking over this with me, and for always keeping this Quicktime plugin up to date!  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Forget what I said earlier about the file looking good in Safari. My mistake. The video is dark in both Safari and Firefox, regardless of the 6-1-6 atom being included.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Sure: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/x264%20Encode%20Test%206-1-6.mov  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  What's funny is that I started viewing the x264 file I uploaded through my browsers. It looks fine in Safari and looks really dark in Firefox.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Here you go. I'll just give you the links through here. Im not sure if this is the best test footage, just what I had in front of me first.

These were both encoded using iMovie '09 8.0.5 on MacOSX 10.6.2. The x264 file with x264 1.1.7 with default settings and h.264 file with built-in Quicktime h.264 with default settings.

x264 Encode Test-No nclc atom: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/x264%20Encode%20Test%20-%20No%20nclc%20atom.mov

h.264 Encode Test (for comparison): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/h264%20Encode%20Test.mov

I did not notice this difference until I upgraded to Snow Leopard.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Sure! Can you provide me with your email address? I could not find it on your site.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 10 2009

STARHAWK79  Im mainly using SD in America so I tried the 6-1-6 atom and still have the issue. Im a bit at a loss as to where the problem is; x264 output on QTX is Dark, on VLC is even Darker, and on QT7 it looks pretty good!

Maybe these images can convey what I am seeing:

h.264 QTX vs x264 QTX: http://img.skitch.com/20091110-gnmnupa4249qrix9tkn7ukpcrc.jpg

h.264 QTX vs x264 VLC: http://img.skitch.com/20091110-fw7us894uje8js2br4batreeex.jpg

h.264 QTX vs x264 QTX 6-1-6:http://img.skitch.com/20091110-1d79sjwwqc95e1dy4hsnq39jeh.jpg

h.264 QT7 vs x264 QT7:http://img.skitch.com/20091110-jwtejgapcj52q86bssuc8isiy3.jpg

All images captured running Snow Leopard 10.6.2 with default Color LCD Display profile.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 9 2009

STARHAWK79  Once again, thanks for keeping this updated!

I've had one issue with this plugin since updating Snow Leopard. I mainly export out of iMovie, and when doing so, using x264 produces video that is darker than any of the other choices (h.264, motion jpeg, etc). This difference is noticeable when playing back through both Quicktime and VLC.

I know there was a gamma change in Snow Leopard, so Im not sure if the problem is with OSX, x264, or this particular plugin. Any ideas on what is causing this?

I have just updated to 10.6.2 and x264 still produces darker video in comparison.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 9 2009

MYCOMETG3  Try nclc under settings window-extra options tab.

If you are in Europe and SD source(=PAL), would be nclc 516.

If you are in America and SD source(=NTSC), would be nclc 616.

If you are handling HD source, would be nclc 111.

Under Standard Video Compression Settings dialog, Preview image is not correct. Test by exact output.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 10 2009

STARHAWK79  Im mainly using SD in America so I tried the 6-1-6 atom and still have the issue. Im a bit at a loss as to where the problem is; x264 output on QTX is Dark, on VLC is even Darker, and on QT7 it looks pretty good!

Maybe these images can convey what I am seeing:

h.264 QTX vs x264 QTX: http://img.skitch.com/20091110-gnmnupa4249qrix9tkn7ukpcrc.jpg

h.264 QTX vs x264 VLC: http://img.skitch.com/20091110-fw7us894uje8js2br4batreeex.jpg

h.264 QTX vs x264 QTX 6-1-6:http://img.skitch.com/20091110-1d79sjwwqc95e1dy4hsnq39jeh.jpg

h.264 QT7 vs x264 QT7:http://img.skitch.com/20091110-jwtejgapcj52q86bssuc8isiy3.jpg

All images captured running Snow Leopard 10.6.2 with default Color LCD Display profile.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 10 2009

MYCOMETG3  I did some simple test using DV-NTSC.mov source file under both 10.5.8 and 10.6.2.

I used QuickTime Player 7. I can not reproduce your issue.

If you could, please upload short clip(~3 sec) and let me know via mail.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Sure! Can you provide me with your email address? I could not find it on your site.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

MYCOMETG3  PLEASE READ README.rtf FIRST.

I get over 1000 spam mails a week. I had NEVER put my mail address on my site though!  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Here you go. I'll just give you the links through here. Im not sure if this is the best test footage, just what I had in front of me first.

These were both encoded using iMovie '09 8.0.5 on MacOSX 10.6.2. The x264 file with x264 1.1.7 with default settings and h.264 file with built-in Quicktime h.264 with default settings.

x264 Encode Test-No nclc atom: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/x264%20Encode%20Test%20-%20No%20nclc%20atom.mov

h.264 Encode Test (for comparison): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/h264%20Encode%20Test.mov

I did not notice this difference until I upgraded to Snow Leopard.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  What's funny is that I started viewing the x264 file I uploaded through my browsers. It looks fine in Safari and looks really dark in Firefox.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

MYCOMETG3  Your samples are :

- apple h.264 has nclc 616 in mov.

- x264 sample does not have nclc atom.

Upload x264 with nclc 616 please.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Sure: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/277171/x264%20Encode%20Test%206-1-6.mov  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Forget what I said earlier about the file looking good in Safari. My mistake. The video is dark in both Safari and Firefox, regardless of the 6-1-6 atom being included.  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

MYCOMETG3  Hmm... I understand what you see, but I can not find any cause.

- Is it able to upload source data (not exported but source data)?

- what version of imovie are you using?

mov file is desirable. I don't know iMovie is capable of exporting movie without transcode though...   
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Nov 12 2009

STARHAWK79  Ok, I think I may have figured out what is going on, and it looks like it's not x264.

If I were to go to the x264 settings, I would notice that the preview window was much darker than the source file: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-exj43gmr26386griduc2abquxe.jpg

Switching to h.264 (or any other choice) showed a preview window much closer to the original source: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-ns842yu76qws2fskm1hxtkfay9.jpg

So, right now Im thinking the x264 file will be darker than the h.264. This IS true and what my original pictures above showed.

But in reality, what is happening is h.264 is actually producing video that is LIGHTER than the source! I was able to go through iMovie package files to find the source and compare: http://img.skitch.com/20091113-8wx6km4b2hasuiujrm3scw3qri.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20091113-qnfp9tu3b1itmjaxyhjn56kbkp.jpg

What threw me off was the preview window. x264's preview window is darker than the source, but exports OK. h.264's preview window looks OK, but exports video that is lighter than the source.

Does that make sense? Thank you for looking over this with me, and for always keeping this Quicktime plugin up to date!  
(Version 1.1.7)

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x264Encoder
Sep 11 2009
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STARHAWK79  Awesome! Thanks for the update!  
(Version 1.1.2)

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x264Encoder
Aug 30 2009
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STARHAWK79  An absolute must have. Much better than Apple's built in h.264 encoder and works fantastic when exporting from Quicktime with programs like iMovie.  
(Version 1.1.1)

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x264Encoder
Aug 30 2009

STARHAWK79  Will this be updated with newer versions of x264 to take advantage of VBV Lookahead?  
(Version 1.1.1)

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