MYSTICALOS  I agree. Why release something when it's still inferior to the competition. You want people to take it seriously, bring it's feature set up to par with the others first then get it out there. This client hasn't even caught up to 2001 yet when voice was becoming standard in most IM clients.  
(Version 1.0b5)

MYSTICALOS  Actually the 256 bug is fixed by apple in 10.5.5 anyway so it's almost seems like a pointless gesture now from blizzard. it was apples bug to begin with by removing the 256 support from drivers, so they returned it in 10.5.5 beta seeds.   
(Version 1.15.3)

MYSTICALOS  Failed for me too using stand alone in vista. Installer simply mis reports that install cannot take place because system reboot is already pending (which isn't). Also takes a VERY long time to load any screen at all..2.0 was a good step in right direction as it fixed most of the installer bugs 1.x branch had, but 2.1 is a huge regression to installer as it's now buggy once again.  
(Version 2.1)

MYSTICALOS  I agree. I also think that since drivers depend a lot on 3rd party improvemens first, IE, nvidia has to update their base drivers (which apple modifies for OS X) to fix certain problems. Sometimes one fix breaks another thing too. In a trouble shooting perspective drivers which apple isn't 100% in control of seperate is more logical anyway. That way if a problem starts after installing drivers apple can diagnose it better..ANd the end user can have less of a hard time rolling the update back too..since it was independant...instead of trying to roll back to 10.5.1 simply because of bad drivers, they can roll back to 10.5.2 still minus the drivers. :)  
(Version 1.0)

MYSTICALOS  Trash prefs from previous version. Had same problem. Guess they fixed some crash bugs but in process made a new one with it disliking settings from previous beta ;)  
(Version 3.0b2.78326)

MYSTICALOS  It is still possible by manually editing the config file. I forget the exact instructions. But you find the config file, and say it lists UNTITLED as startup, i recall you set it to something like UNTITLED;disk0s3 (or whatever partition boot camp/windows is on) opening the settings in textedit and saving the added disk0s3 or wahtever seems to do the trick. these directions are off the top of my head so they may not be entirely right on.

http://forum.parallels.com/post42129.html  
(Version 3.0.5570b)

MYSTICALOS  You think that's bad. wait until you install 10.5 and realize that 3.0b2 crashes at signin with no work around besides completely replacing it with adium. :\  
(Version 3.0b2)

MYSTICALOS  that part i understand. but what about for an example if another family member accidentally saves a username, one that' only visting, or an ID that's deleted after the fact etc...Once it's saved, then it's a pain to go chasing plist down to clear it. :)  
(Version 3.0b2)

MYSTICALOS  Always a pleasure to help. Here is most up to date report.

Yahoo! Messenger 3.0 beta 2 (build 65474) Report Draft 2

Fatal Bugs:

1. Crash when joining a second chat room with a different sub profile than first chatroom while first chat room is still open.

2. Hang when loading an extremely long chat from message archive, app never recovers because for some reason once it finally finishes loading it, then it asks it to refresh, and starts to reload the thing all over again, endlessly.

3. Unable to scroll the list of chatters in chatrooms. no horizontal scroll bar. so only able to view chatters that fit in current window size. Also usernames should always be visible not just a mouse-over.

I've been using this work around it's not perfect as the scroll bars don't properly render using this lazy hack but using arrow keys or mouse scroll wheel multiple rows of chatters can be scrolled through.:

Change:

.conference #participantsContainer {

position: fixed;

background-color: #F0F2F3;

width: 100%;

height: 40px;

top: 18px;

padding-right: 5px;

display: none;

overflow: hidden;

border-bottom: 1px solid #9a9a9a;

z-index: 200;

to:

.conference #participantsContainer {

position: fixed;

background-color: #F0F2F3;

width: 100%;

height: 40px;

top: 18px;

padding-right: 5px;

padding-bottom: 12px;

display: none;

overflow: scroll;

border-bottom: 1px solid #9a9a9a;

z-index: 200;

4. Ignore those not on buddy-list ignores all users in chat since chat follows same privacy behavior of PMs (after all, it's just a chatroom thrown into a PM window)

5. Cannot invite just one person in room to cam, clicking webcam icon invites ENTIRE room to cam. this is a critical critical bug.

6. Webcam connections are less reliable than b1, the bug fixes to reliability made things worse. Constant dropping of cams both viewing and transmitting, it will appear as it's still on but will have dropped connection to server and dropped other part from viewing or you from receiving images...it actually shows up as "user stopped broadcasting". UPDATE: This behavior has been coming and going which is now leading me to believe it could be a server related issue.

7. Unable to view a users cam without adding them to buddy-list or if they send an invite. But there is no possible way to request a webcam unless user is on buddy-list. This is a critical bug with chatroom support present. Most simple option would be to add a "View Webcam..." menu command to contacts menu like 2.5.3 has.

8. Chat becomes laggy and spikes cpu usage and beach-balls some once history gets very long. It should auto purge old chat data like PC counter part does to avoid same problem. Messenger will be slowed to a crawl after a few hours in chat.

9. Overall the excessive use of CSS style sheets and script within webkit windows in every aspect of yahoo messenger makes it much slower each release getting slower and slower. On a 733mhz G4 test system it runs so slow i can actually watch it drawing the toolbar buttons and lagging just to make text appear on screen. Definitely a serious problem. It's a chat app, photoshop lags less (literally, i fired photoshop up and played a little, photoshop had a better overall snappiness to UI. Well until a large graphic was opened lol)

10. Application crash from webcam if internet connection is shaggy or under serious lag. Would attach the crash but it seems app deleted it after it was forwarded by beta 2's internal reporting mechanism.

Other Bugs

1. Time stamps in chat room don't show properly unless disabled and then re-enabled.

2, App may show wrong avatar on sign-in screen.

3. PM windows and chat windows observe bad horizontal scroll bar behavior from very long hyperlinks. hyperlink doesn't get properly text wrapped to margins of the conversation window and causes horizontal scroll bars to appear.

4. File transfer dialog (embedded in PM) does not clear after file transfer has finished until after a LONG delay.

5 People invited to cam show up on the viewers list but what if more than one person is invited, how to tell which ones are viewing and what ones are not if they are all on list and cam window only says "2 users invited" also when someone is invited it no longer shows number of viewers. UI needs some tweaking on these issues.

6. Buddy-list does not honor address-book entries for MSN Live usernames that are in address-book on yahoo like PC counterpart does.

7. Mac Messenger still erases address book entry for a user added to buddy-list whom an entry already exists for on address-book server. Entry should be updated not overwritten.

8. During heavy internet lag (ISP was having issues, major latency) Yahoo Messenger would take a LOT longer to launch, several bounces on both macs (intel and ppc). Unusual being the lag should affect connecting not app launch(unless app automatically checks for updates during launch?). On same note, app has unpleasant beach-ball when choosing to connect during same lag. App should remain responsive in case you want to cancel or something. Rather than having to force it closed.

9. Text may not wrap when typing a message that exceeds first type line. When this happens you will no longer be able to see your text you are typing.

10. Message archive saves folders for all users encountered in chat, including bots and non friends while you are in room. At time of chat logger empty folders are purged however, but they shouldn't be created in first place if users didn't actually PM. (again, client unable to differentiate PM behavior from Chatroom behavior since Chat is using same conversationview.nib. Also very after clearing spam PMs from bots, the bot folder cannot be deleted from message archive it has to be manually purged from application support\yahoo\message archive directory.

11. Chatroom always displays original roomname you first joined. It will not reflect new room names when you change to different rooms.

12. /join, /think, etc commands not supported in chat but essential for basic function of chat without having to dig through

13. Message archive does not show correct times on logs. The logs themselves are correct but the message archive window itself shows wrong times.

14. Unable to view own webcam. Permission is always auto denied. Probably unusual for me to list this. But for some dial up users I know super-mode screws them up so I view my own cam to give it 2 viewers on purpose.

15. Message archive should save chats as chatroom name instead of file naming the chat log every singe chatroom participant in room that can fit in an OS X file name.

16. Message archive should select NONE by default when window is opened. This will prevent it from wasting cpu and time loading up a chat that it decided to select on it's own. Especially bad when it's a chat room log that's very long. Which triggers the hang bug from critical issues section.

Most requested features:

1. Cam window detached as an option. Buddy-list integration should not be forced.

2. Webcam viewer window statistics, the Sub bar that 2.5.3 had, time of last image received etc.

3. Color fades/effects on OUR typing not just buddies.

4. Ability to disable nicknames/Actual Names in Chatrooms (separate from PMs)

5. Option to exclude chat rooms from tabs. Opening a room and having it added to a tiny PM window as a tab is annoying. Always have to drag it out then resize it. Then hope new PMs don't get added to the chat tab bar instead of the open PM window tab bar. Should allow separation of chat from tab controls all together.

6. More control on webcam for super-mode. On mac it can't be disabled or behavior controlled like windows version.

7. Options to log chatrooms separate from PM windows. I only want to archive my PMs. Not every chat room I visit.

8. Join Chatroom menu saves recent rooms and profile used in them. But it doesn't save actual room number. Room number would be nice for those that like to frequent same rooms.

9. Send message to group. Ability to send a message to an entire buddy group. The options to stealth an entire group and invite entire group to conf were both added in beta 2 which is nice. Just missing that last feature.

*10. Ability to clear old profiles from signin screen history without having to go into ~/library/Preferences/com.yahoo.messenger3.plist and editing the values out.

11. Ability to view a profile of someone that's not on list. Where you type in users name. Also good to put in contacts menu with Same with "View Webcam..."

**12. Contextual menu's for chatroom participants with commands like "ignore, view webcam, view profile, etc"

Last updated 09-13-07  
(Version 3.0b2)

MYSTICALOS  Yahoo! Messenger Version 3.0 beta 2 (build 65474)

Fatal Bugs:

1. Crash when joining a second chat room with a different sub profile than first chatroom while first chat room is still open.

2. Hang when loading an extremely long chat from message archive, app never recovers because for some reason once it finally finishes loading it, then it asks it to refresh, and starts to reload the thing all over again, endlessly.

3. Unable to scroll the list of chatters in chatrooms. no horizontal scroll bar. so only able to view chatters that fit in current window size. Also usernames should always be visible not just a mouse-over.

4. Ignore those not on buddy-list ignores all users in chat since chat follows same privacy behavior of PMs (after all, it's just a chatroom thrown into a PM window)

5. Cannot invite just one person in room to cam, clicking webcam icon invites ENTIRE room to cam. this is a critical critical bug.

6. Webcam connections are less reliable than b1, the bug fixes to reliability made things worse. Constant dropping of cams both viewing and transmitting, it will appear as it's still on but will have dropped connection to server and dropped other part from viewing or you from receiving images...it actually shows up as "user stopped broadcasting"

7. Unable to view a users cam without adding them to buddy-list or if they send an invite. But there is no possible way to request a webcam unless user is on buddy-list. This is a critical bug with chatroom support present.

8. Chat becomes laggy and spikes cpu usage and beach-balls some once history gets very long. It should auto purge old chat data like PC counter part does to avoid same problem. Messenger will be slowed to a crawl after a few hours in chat.

Other Bugs

1. Time stamps in chat room don't show properly unless disabled and then re-enabled.

2, App may show wrong avatar on sign-in screen.

3. PM windows and chat windows observe bad horizontal scroll bar behavior from very long hyperlinks. hyperlink doesn't get properly text wrapped to margins of the conversation window and causes horizontal scroll bars to appear.

4. File transfer dialog (embedded in PM) does not clear after file transfer has finished until after a LONG delay.

5 People invited to cam show up on the viewers list but what if more than one person is invited, how to tell which ones are viewing and what ones are not if they are all on list and cam window only says "2 users invited" also when someone is invited it no longer shows number of viewers. UI needs some tweaking on these issues.

6. Buddy-list does not honor address-book entries for MSN Live usernames that are in address-book on yahoo like PC counterpart does.

7. Mac Messenger still erases address book entry for a user added to buddy-list whom an entry already exists for on address-book server. Entry should be updated not overwritten.

8. During heavy internet lag (ISP was having issues, major latency) Yahoo Messenger would take a LOT longer to launch, several bounces on both macs (intel and ppc). Unusual being the lag should affect connecting not app launch(unless app automatically checks for updates during launch?). On same note, app has unpleasant beach-ball when choosing to connect during same lag. App should remain responsive in case you want to cancel or something. Rather than having to force it closed.

9. Text may not wrap when typing a message that exceeds first type line. When this happens you will no longer be able to see your text you are typing.

10. Message archive saves folders for all users encountered in chat, including bots and non friends while you are in room. At time of chat logger empty folders are purged however, but they shouldn't be created in first place if users didn't actually PM. (again, client unable to differentiate PM behavior from Chatroom behavior since Chat is using same conversationview.nib. Also very after clearing spam PMs from bots, the bot folder cannot be deleted from message archive it has to be manually purged from application support\yahoo\message archive directory.

11. Chatroom always displays original roomname you first joined. It will not reflect new room names when you change to different rooms.

12. /join, /think, etc commands not supported in chat but essential for basic function of chat without having to dig through

Most requested features:

1. Cam window detached as an option. Buddy-list integration should not be forced.

2. Webcam viewer window statistics, the Sub bar that 2.5.3 had, time of last image received etc.

3. Color fades/effects on OUR typing not just buddies.

4. Ability to disable nicknames/Actual Names in Chatrooms (separate from PMs)  
(Version 3.0b2)

MYSTICALOS  There is no difference. r2 r3 and r4 are identical 100%.

After doing extensive comparing I found that the ONLY thing changed is r3 changed the license agreement disclaimer when mounting DMG, however it had a mistake in it. it linked to windows messenger EULA page, so r4 fixed the disclaimer to link to mac messenger page instead. But aside from DMG image being modified with a new disclaimer, the actual app itself is a perfect duplicate. Pointless to download or replace your r2 with it since it's still r2 app.  
(Version 3.0b1r4)

MYSTICALOS  one thing that's always annoyed me is the contextual menu when you click links and you want to choose "open in new tab" and assidently get "download link" instead. I do this a lot. sure I could just command click but I'm just too used to doing it this way since ie 7 works same way. perhaps some tweaking could be done there by chance?  
(Version 0.2.3)

MYSTICALOS  I was sceptic at first when it was recovering files and they weren't working. trying to recover individual file seemed to fail (i deleted something i REALLY wanted to keep.) It kept bringing back a file with wrong file size even though search was showing correct. However when i told it to restore entire folder instead, it got the file size right by i guess combining it with all the other small fragments in that folder...then file came back normal...a true life saver..  
(Version 1.1 )

MYSTICALOS  1.1 drivers cd ruined clean windows installation. Blue screen every startup without fail. Cause is isight drivers. Nice new feature.  
(Version 1.1)

MYSTICALOS  Also sent to email address of course and i know it's been read. I'm posting here not for developer but perhaps so others can help reproduce some of them to get more in the "reproducable" catagory. :)

System Info:

Powermac G4 733digital audio with upgrades(frankenmac):

1.5GB ram

2ghz powerlogix 7447 processor card

ATTO Express PCI with 36GB 10krpm scsi-160 drive

Geforce 4 Titanium 128MB VRAM

Ultra-Tek133P+ card with 200GB ATA133 drive

10.4.7 PPC, all software up to date.

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MacBook Pro 15"

2.16ghz intel core duo

2GB Ram

100GB SATA 7200-rpm drive.

10.4.7 Intel, all software up to date.

Boot-Camp Beta 1

Windows XP Professional SP2 with ALL updates installed.

Yahoo! Messenger 7.5.0.819 for windows Yahoo! testing.

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ISP: Alltel DSL 15MB down 368 up.

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Severe bugs labeled with a *

Bugs:

Reproducible:

1. Webcam statistics do not continue to update after a viewer is allowed to view cam, stats stop once a cam invite is sent to someone and they begin viewing.

2. Buddy-list doesn't always refresh best when a mobile user logs out. manual refresh (command-r) no longer present in this beta either. Improving refresh or giving user manual refresh back(recommended) would be nice.

*3. Private messages do not work when using HTTP proxy mode(behind firewall) for connection.

*4. There is no easy way to ignore a user who is harassing. IE a toolbar button or even a menu command. the ONLY way to ignore a user is to open prefs and manually type in their yahoo id, meanwhile all while they PM bomb or do other harassing things. A shortcut to ignore someone is ESSENTIAL and therefor the lack of is a bug not a feature request.

5. Text is not all drag and dropable in all areas. Touchy where you click to drag it. Has to be on text, not a bubble screen name header. Avatars also get dragged or copied to clipboard when using select all.

6. The ichat style white/blue background colors on buddy-list show a cosmetic bug when looking closely. In ichat, each buddy group ALWAYS starts with white. Regardless of last color used in previous buddy group. Cosmetically, it doesn't look quite right on Yahoo! Messenger because it's not universal with iChat.

7. If you mouse-over area where time-stamps are supposed to be (but they are disabled) the time-stamp shows but the drawing is kind of funny and makes text jump around. Not sure if it's a bug or intentional but reporting just in case.

Unable to Reproduce:

*1. I noticed one of my ID's is completely blocked from signing into yahoo messenger 3.0b1, but it signs in fine with 2.5.3 as well as PC 7.5.0.819. On SAME computer, signing in on two other accounts works. it's only "mysticalosm" that indefinitely tries connecting and fails unless i choose firewalled. Which doesn't make sense. My other buddy-lists were able to show id online so i IMed it, sure enough i was able to exchange not only IMs but cam with this id. The messenger client just never realized id was signed in and never updated buddy-list or menu commands to reflect it. it was completely online but THOUGHT it was still connecting indefinitely. I thought I had found a solution by enabling/disabling buddy-list animation but this only worked ONCE...To this moment I have found NO way to get mysticalosm online again besides reverting to 2.5.3 or using PC 7.5 in boot camp.

UPDATE: Further investigating showed it was resolved by logging in and editing buddy-list (removing buddies awaiting authorization is what i did) while on HTTP proxy, then login on normal setting again works again for now.

2. Got an erratic behavior when trying to view cams, would make cam noise but NEVER attempt to connect to cam or even show a cam window. if a user invited me I'd also never see invite just hear cam noise and never get anything..Was only solved by deleting prefs file.

3. Buddy-list sometimes has UI issues. IE clicking ANYWHERE on it will open someone's "I'm mobile" url even if i clicked no where near it. This is only fixed by a relaunch of client. Another encountered UI issue, one time when cam was open it looked like the down arrow was stuck. the highlight cursor kept scrolling down buddy-list indefinitely even if i clicked, pressed up etc...had to relaunch this time too.

4. Sorting list by name/availability doesn't seem to be working, seems to only sort by name either way. (This only occurred with initial use, haven't been able to reproduce)

5. Possible ichat or yahoo messenger possible bug. I have ichat using custom sounds but when yahoo is open, ichat starts using regular sounds again.

6. Disconnects frequently on both wireless and wired connections on PPC and Intel Mac when no other programs are effected of which include amsn, ichat (Connected to aim and googletalk), and icq.

*7. A user was viewing my cam first. Sent me an invite to her cam. When i began to view her cam, she stopped seeing my image and instead my cam was actually broadcasting hers back to her. She was invisible when this happened as well as on PC Yahoo Messenger. Unknown steps to reproduce but definitely a serious bug.

Features:

*Major feature request.

1. Ability to disable nickname/full-name display and use yahoo id's only.

2. Ability to use classic sound sets if we don't like the new ichat inspired ones.

3. Tabbed IMs, ever used Chax for ichat? you'll learn to not live without it. Might also get more feature suggestions there ;)

4. Cam window detached as an option. Buddy-list integration should not be forced.

5. An easier way to adjust fonts/colors than by right clicking in text field or using menu-bar.

6. Classic IM format, Not everyone likes the way ichat does it. Ichat lets you make bubbles clear and put names on left etc to resemble classic format. We need that too as users..

7. Yahoo! 7.x or higher smiley set. the more 3d and better colors ones..as well as the new ones.

http://www.wackyb.co.nz/Yahoo_v7.5/

8. Some web-pages/forums use the improper yahoo:// handler instead of ymsgr like they are supposed to, most apps like adium and my 2.5.3 patch added it as a handler type too just so people can't complain and blame the program for not handling the url wrong..

9. Webcam viewer window statistics, the Sub bar that 2.5.3 had, time of last image received etc.

10. Seems to use address-book entries and yahoo address-book entries. But if you got an entry in yahoo address book that isn't in apples address-book. Should be able to save it to apples ;)

11. Brushed metal is ugly! Don't make me edit the nib files to get rid of it. A pref is very easy to code for this.

12. Color fades/effects on OUR typing not just buddies.

*13. Chat rooms. sure you heard these enough but it is a gimmie. Even if OS X doesn't have DSP truevoice built into OS do to licensing issues..can still have voiceless chat.

14. Ability to view a profile of someone that's not on list. Where you type in users name. Same with view a cam. IE "View Webcam..." "View Profile ..."

15. Voice chat. DSP truevoice for conferences/chat rooms last I knew still had licensing issues with Microsoft's right to codec in their OS and plus no Mac implementation of codec since OS 9's classic player. However Call voip protocol uses a different codec doesn't it? I can see that making it to a mac client.

*16. Menu consolidation. Too many menu's, I lose my plaxo and weather menu's on the PPC mac. Intel mac is wide screen so it's fine.

Last updated 07-09-06  
(Version 3.0b1)

MYSTICALOS  Heh, open package contents and locate release notes.html. note the part at bottom.

"We welcome your Beta feedback at messengerformacbeta@yahoo.com

Coming soon: IM with your Windows Live (MSN) Messenger friends

The next Beta will include voice!"  
(Version 3.0b1)

MYSTICALOS  I think the number one reason people find problems with 3rd party disk utilities is that they don't follow the guideline of always run disk utility first on that volume. If possible, run from a volume that has most current version of system software and version of disk repair utility. Not everyone has two hard drives, and although you can use two partitions on a disk to repair one, i really don't think that concept is perfect, if there is any kind of hardware problem such as a bad sector your bound to lose data this way. Many programs that let you make bootable cds with up to date system software on them..hard drives are cheap too, just get a low/med capacity one to make as a minimal boot volume that you keep up to date, not just with system software but any hardware drivers. My hard drive is on a SCSI card so naturally those drivers are always current on ANY disk I'm repairing the drive with. ONLY time i ever had problems was booting off a cd that didn't have latest scsi drivers and disk utility had problems repairing drives successfully. But do everything possible to run from current OS X version. Especially when concidering updates like 10.4.3 which specificly note changes to hfs+. Want to make sure a disk used to repair this has these same changes. Just my two cents.  
(Version 4.1.1)

MYSTICALOS  Only lowered features and ease of use since they are not fully implemented yet. Broken feature sets have to count for something. Other then that pretty nice app. All those having trouble with it. It uses your video driver directly to render it. It's speed depends highly on performance of video card and CPU. So it would probably show various different speeds depending on hardware. As for the erratic behavior, Could be video drivers/opengl not current? IE 10.3.9 mac users? 10.4 has substantial improvements to stability and speed of opengl and graphics drivers, and each 10.4 incremental update has only improved it further. If you're not on 10.4.3 it wouldn't be fair to even complain at all..If you are on 10.4.3, It's time to beef up mac. Now adays you can up a pretty old mac pretty cheap. This app runs very fast on my G4733 just cause I put a 2ghz cpu update in that's like 300 dollars and a geforce 4ti card. I'm good until intel macs are perfected. :)  
(Version 3.1.0371)