DP8  We will be adding scheduled updates to a future release, along with other new features.

Thanks for the feedback!

Chad  
(Version 5.0.3)

DP8  As I have stated in other posts, we provide keyword searching for all applications, and when there is not a direct match, we will try to match the next relevant listing or listings. If an application is discontinued, we will also add keywords for other applications which may help the user. This is not specific to this listing.

If you would like an extension to your trial, please let us know - desktop@macupdate.com

thanks  
(Version 5.0.3)

DP8  Thank you for your feedback. This topic has been thoroughly covered lately, and I don't think we need to restate our position here. I hope that you also try to look at this from our perspective and reconsider what it means for us to be in business, and able to create and offer accurate and timely Mac software listings for free. We understand your position and the importance of doing the right things by our users and customers (only a small fraction of our total users are actually paying customers) and work very hard to be helpful, honest, and fair with everything that we do.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0.3)

DP8  Try deleting your MacUpdate folder in your Applications Support folder and then re-launching the app.

Please contact us if you require further assistance - desktop@macupdate.com  
(Version 5.0.3)

DP8  I have extended your trial so that you may give the newest version a try. Please contact us - desktop@macupdate.com - with any questions.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0.3)

JOEL MUELLER  George, I've extended your trial until the end of the month so you can try out 5.0.2. Thanks!  
(Version 5.0.2)

JBJORET  I have the same issue, this make make quite unhappy, because this is a major bug. I cannot believe that they did not see it before publishing. Everything is mixed up, I am totally loosing overview.  
(Version 5.0.2)

DP8  Please update to version 5.0.3 which address this bug.

thanks  
(Version 5.0.3)

DP8  Thanks for the feedback! We have gotten that request from a few users and are considering it for a future update.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0.1)

GCOGHILL  I'd like to see uninstall added as well.  
(Version 5.0.2)

JOEL MUELLER  Conlan -- it's always been company policy not the directly list competing products with MacUpdate Desktop on MacUpdate. This is nothing new -- since the release of Desktop many many years ago. It's also not "slimy" that Apple doesn't list the Zune for sale in their stores (when they list many other 3rd party products). Companies often do not directly market or sell competing products. This is quite normal and accepted by most people.  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  CONLAN - Thanks for your feedback.

We have never "broken" integration in the past, but we have updated how our site works, which has caused the widget to not work consistently. We do not have a public API for apps like this to access our data, and the developer was hacking things to get the widget to work. Earlier this year we worked out an arrangement with the developer of the widget to help ensure that the it does work properly and does not affect our site adversely. We have a good relationship with the developer of the widget, and I'm sure that he would attest that we have never done anything "slimy" here and have only helped him to get things working.

We require a user account to sign up for the free trial specifically so that you can use the Watch List features. Watch Lists are linked to user accounts so that they can synchronize with the website - you can add/edit/remove lists from the application or the website, or, add applications to your lists from the site, and then later install them with 1-click in MacUpdate Desktop. We are not boxing in anyone - we just want to provide a 100% functional trial - not a limited/stripped down version.

I am sorry if you somehow feel that what we are doing is "slimy", but I can say that we strive to be open and honest with both users and developers about everything we do. If you have any further concerns, please feel free to contact us directly - desktop@macupdate.com

-Chad

  
(Version 5.0.1)

CONLAN  Chad, thanks for your explanations. I still dislike the marketing of the desktop product, but it's nice to have some context.

Joel's response was less helpful, as it contradicts Misha's earlier explanation that AppFresh is not listed because "the application doesn't meet our standards." Also, it's contradicted by the listing of the AppUpdate widget (which has now apparently been removed). The Zune comparison also seems a bit disingenuous, as MacUpdate presents itself, foremost, as a site listing Mac software updates and, secondarily, the site for a company's desktop application. If a conflict exists between the two purposes, as it seems to in this case, I would prefer erring on the side of complete listing. Of course, how you choose to run your business is up to you.   
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  Misha was correct as well - we also don't list it because it does not meet our guidelines (you said it yourself - it has issues). We don't approve several submissions a day for the same reasons.

Also the keyword listing issue applies to any app that we don't list but has a comparable application - we want users to be able to find what they are looking for, and if we don't list it, then find something as close to the functionality as we can get. In this case, MacUpdate Desktop is the close match.

You won't find a listing for MacUpdate Desktop on CNET/download.com/Versiontracker for the same reason we don't list competing apps. You also won't find a link to MacUpdate Desktop from the AppFresh site. We are not doing anything shady here - just following common and accepted business rules.

thanks

Chad  
(Version 5.0.1)

VGOKLANI  After reading your post, I just downloaded the nightly build of AppFresh - it rocks!!!! what an amazing piece of software! I haven't had any problems with quality, especially considering that it is a developer preview.

Regarding the thread, I agree with the author, Macupdate advertises itself as a hub where people can download software. I didn't realize that it was a "for-profit" place, that black-lists competing software. No Thanks.  
(Version 5.0.1)

DLWHITE  @VGOKLANI Perhaps you missed a crucial point in DP8's Nov. 18 post:

"You won't find a listing for MacUpdate Desktop on CNET/download.com/Versiontracker for the same reason we don't list competing apps. You also won't find a link to MacUpdate Desktop from the AppFresh site. We are not doing anything shady here - just following common and accepted business rules."

If you're old enough to use MacUpdate, you're old enough to know that all our favorite sites on the internet DON'T just spontaneously happen, for free.

Even sites with "free" content/information like YouTube or imdb.com or epicurious.com take monumental amounts of energy, money and man hours to create and maintain.

We're extremely lucky we get so much "free" content online in 2009.

But without advertisers, or some kind of "for profit" business model, a lot of the things you enjoy online for free would simply go away.

A better analogy than iPod/Zune: in America, I may watch FOX primetime TV to see my favorite show (for free!), but they won't be advertising a series airing on ABC (the competition). But that doesn't mean FOX is irresponsible or wrongheaded. They just don't do things that are counter-productive to their business model. Capitalism doesn't work like that.

I applaud MacUpdate for their ongoing efforts at providing improved Desktop software. I haven't seen anything smarmy or shady out of these guys. Best of luck moving forward!  
(Version 5.0.2)

JAMUS  After reading the bit about AppFresh/Macupdate Desktop...

I understand MacUpdate does not wish to list Appfresh here (or other competitors here; no sense in giving competition free advertising), but to have the search directly lead to MacUpdate Desktop without any explanation seems to lean towards the tricky side of things.

How about this as a compromise...

MacUpdate will not list competitor products; however, when someone searches for a competitor the results page will have something like "We see you were searching for "Appfresh" which is a competitor product that we do not provide access to from our site. We have put a lot of effort into making our own MacUpdate Desktop a worthy competitor and would like to invite you to please give it a try!"

Or something similar. That way it would not be seen as sneaking around with results.  
(Version 5.0.2)

SJK  .

>You also won't find a link to MacUpdate Desktop from the AppFresh site.

Of course not, and I wouldn't expect to. AppFresh is a single application from one developer; MacUpdate is a service for multiple applications/developers.

You've used a poor comparison, IMO.  
(Version 5.0.2)

JOEL MUELLER  Select "Don't check for updates" by selecting a title and using the action menu (or contextual menu) at the bottom of MacUpdate Desktop's screen if you want to grey out apps that you would rather not get scanned in the future.  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  Thanks for the feedback - as I emailed to you, the developers of MailForge have conflicting version information in their program and we will contact them to try to resolve.

We are working on applications that have identical names, like RIP and Pandora - these cases are very rare (2 out of 32,000) but we will better handle them in a future update.

thanks!

Chad  
(Version 5.0.1)

JOEL MUELLER  The developers of MailForge said that they caught that version number issue when prepping version 1.3. When it gets released, it should be fixed.  
(Version 5.0.1)

MISHA  Those widgets, which effectively provide a front-end to MacUpdate (or the less-good VersionTracker if you prefer) suffer from the same version matching issues other tools do [and which MacUpdate Desktop largely doesn't] and don't feature any ability to automatically download+install updates.

If you don't mind clicking lots of times, though, they certainly can be useful if you're looking for a free alternative.  
(Version 5.0.1)

THYX  Appfresh, anyone?

iUseThis and it works fine, if you know what I mean.

thyx  
(Version 5.0.1)

MISHA  THYX: I'll copy/paste the same comment I left for the person who asked why we don't list AppFresh at MacUpdate:

We don't list AppFresh because the application doesn't meet our standards. osx.iusethis.com has many listings that are out of date and AppFresh poorly matches a lot, as well.

The last thing we want is for our users accustomed to MacUpdate's comprehensiveness to download AppFresh via us believing that they are getting anywhere near the same experience and then being accordingly disappointed with the result.

If this seems a little incredulous, consider that *many* people when informed of MacUpdate Desktop respond with "Why would I need that? I just use Mac OS X's built-in Software Update."

Not everyone is a savvy power use and MacUpdate Desktop is designed to be useful and approachable for all user levels.  
(Version 5.0.1)

SOULSLAVE  hahaha its a real shame that now u re-direct the link to macupdate from the widget I posted to your macupdate desktop app.

that really shows how confident u r in ur product when u have to create an obstacle to a free one who does basically the same as your shareware app. real shame macupdate  
(Version 5.0.1)

MISHA  I'm not sure what you're referring to -- search appupdate and look what you get...  
(Version 5.0.1)

SOULSLAVE  to what im referring to is that when the widget tells you that an app needs an update and it gives you the link to the macupdate webpage to download the app, it now goes to the Macupdate Desktop "download page" instead of the "download page" of the app that needs updating. interesting how this started occurring right after i mentioned the widget as an option to your shareware app  
(Version 5.0.1)

THYX  Well, exactly my reason to comment here…

5 out 8 comments on a rather uncritical review of Macupdate Desktop mentioned AppFresh, 2 of them the redirection to your product which meets your standards better than the alternative…

I really love MacUpdate, my main issue is that if you do it for your own product, it could happen with any other.

thyx  
(Version 5.0.1)

THYX  Try: http://www.macupdate.com/appfresh

The result is NOT "no hits".

It would be nice to try out that fancy font stuff called Unicode, by the way…

thyx  
(Version 5.0.1)

SOULSLAVE  now no one answers my replies? i maintain my opinion, macupdate is insecure about their app and made adjustments to redirect the update links that the freeware widget, i posted, gives  
(Version 5.0.1)

ENJOURNI  I signed up for an account just to comment on this.

First of all, I am making no negative judgements against this app. I am mearly turned off by the developer's flippant responses against appfresh, an app I have long used for software updates (and have had no problems with).

"We don't list AppFresh because the application doesn't meet our standards. osx.iusethis.com has many listings that are out of date and AppFresh poorly matches a lot, as well."

Doesn't meet our standards? Don't you mean, competes against our paid program? I'm sorry, but it is not up to macupdate to judge the quality of an app. It's up to ** users ** to rate and judge apps. As long as an app is functional, and is not a virus or some other such, macupdate's job is to present the app and make sure it lists the current version along with some basic info on what the app is. That's it. The minute macupdate starts pulling or banning apps because they "don't meet our quality standards" (aka our staff doesn't like them), is the minute I use versiontracker or some other service. This is exactly the same attitude that has pissed people off with apple pulling google voice from the iPhone. Don't like competition? You're in the wrong business.

"The last thing we want is for our users accustomed to MacUpdate's comprehensiveness to download AppFresh via us believing that they are getting anywhere near the same experience"

This is complete BS. Users don't equate macupdate's experience to appfresh's experience. We are not dumb enough to think appfresh is in any way tied to macupdate- one experience does not relate to the other. This is plain FUD, and you know it.

"Not everyone is a savvy power use and MacUpdate Desktop is designed to be useful and approachable for all user levels."

The way to beat a freeware app is to build in paid features that are BETTER in some way, not to just complain and try to ban the app from your marketplace. You've put forth a few benefits to why MUD is worth money, and that's good. But what you should be doing is making an app that is actually worth the $20, not just trying to steer users away from alternatives. IMHO you've already shot yourself in the foot trying to pretend appfresh doesn't exist.  
(Version 5.0.1)

SOULSLAVE  BURNED!!!  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  SOULSLAVE - The AppUpdate widget was broken due to a change we made in the site, and has now been fixed. It had nothing to do with whatever submission you are referring to - it had been broken for 2+ weeks since we made the changes. We do not have a public API for apps like this to access our data, and the developer was hacking things to get the widget to work. Earlier this year we worked out an arrangement with the developer of the widget to help ensure that the it does work properly and does not affect our site adversely. We have a good relationship with the developer of the widget, and could just as easily block all access from the "competition" if we wanted to, but we don't.

ENJOURNI - MacUpdate has been tracking Mac software for over 12 years, and yes, we do have quality guidelines and regularly reject submissions for different reasons. We state this to all developers when they go to submit their apps to us. That is our job and what we have been doing since day one. Apple and Versiontracker do the same thing for their listings. As I mentioned in another post, we do not track competitor's products, just as they do not list ours. Believe it or not, people do equate Macupdate's experience to AppFresh's experience, and are dumb enough to think AppFresh somehow related to/supported by/endorsed by MacUpdate. We actually get a ton of support emails by inexperienced users wanting help for apps that we simply list - I am glad that you are smart enough to differentiate MacUpdate from other developers, but many do not.

We have been working hard to make MacUpdate Desktop the best Mac updater app available, and have a lot of plans for it looking forward. We are not trying to steer users away from alternatives, or complaining, or pretending AppFresh doesn't exist. We are focused on providing timely, accurate, and high quality information to the Mac community and want as many Mac users to keep their software updated and secure, and feel that MacUpdate Desktop is the better way to do it.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0.1)

SJK  .

>As I mentioned in another post, we do not track competitor's products, just as they do not list ours.

Simply stating MacUpdate doesn't track competitor's products, and considers AppFresh one, would be a sufficient and clearly understandable reason for exclusion regardless of what anyone else's policies are.

Misha's earlier "doesn't meet our standards" claim sounded more like a dodgy excuse to me (and apparently other people here).

>Believe it or not, people do equate Macupdate's experience to AppFresh's experience, and are dumb enough to think AppFresh somehow related to/supported by/endorsed by MacUpdate.

IMO, someone representing MacUpdate calling any customers "dumb enough" is uncouth and unprofessional.

Btw, I don't think MU staff should be rating any software it lists, as at least Misha sometimes does. Commenting on it, fine, but not star-rating it.  
(Version 5.0.2)

DP8  I wasn't calling anyone "dumb" - I was quoting what the post by ENJOURNI said.   
(Version 5.0.2)

SJK  I explicitly quoted and replied to what you (DP8), not ENJOURNI (who I realize also used "dumb" in his/her comment), had written.  
(Version 5.0.2)

JOEL MUELLER  Sure, the version number isn't listed in the "Get Info" window of MacUpdate Desktop itself, and probably could be. But that has nothing to do with the apps functionality, features or anything else. And in fact, the version number stored in CFBundleShortVersionString is often not representative of the actual version number of the app, since Apple has no single standardization for devs when coding in their version numbers.

When Desktop scans apps, it's looking at all of the places where version number strings can be coded into the app. We've gone far beyond basic comparison of CFBundleShortVersionString when making it easy to show that an app is outdated and needs updating on your Mac.  
(Version 5.0.1)

MACSOLU  --

I understand what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that I find it very helpful to immediately see the version number of the app in List View. Approximately 95% of all apps have this feature, and when I encounter one that does not display its version... I find it to be irritating.

As for your comment that "the version number stored in CFBundleShortVersionString is often not representative of the actual version number of the app", well, that does not seem to be true for the vast majority of apps I have downloaded and/or installed. It seems that most developers will take the time to ensure the CFBundleShortVersionString is correct.

Thanks for listening.  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  If you remove the ".app" extension from an application bundle, the Finder will convert it to a normal folder, and it is no longer considered to be an application. MacUpdate Desktop will scan for non-bundle apps as well, such as some older carbon based executables, and those do not need to have the .app extension.

Feel free to email me further - desktop@macupdate.com

thanks

Chad  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  Please send any crash logs to desktop@macupdate.com

There are no known crashes on 10.6, and 1 rare one on 10.5 which we are working with Apple to resolve.

thanks  
(Version 5.0.1)

DP8  Please make sure that your are not blocking HTTP referrer, such as with "private browsing" or other internet security software - the download files hosted at macupdate.com require the referrer information so that we can control the huge bandwidth costs involved. If that doesn't work, please contact me- desktop@macupdate.com

-Chad  
(Version 5.0)

EGAR  The referrer URL was being blocked by my firewall. I changed it to allow referrers and the download worked. Thanks for the help!

By the way, why do other downloads from the MacUpdate site work when the referrer is blocked, just not MacUpdate Desktop?  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Many of the downloads on macupdate.com are hosted by our download servers, but not all of them. Files hosted on our download servers require the referrer - files hosted on third party servers may or may not.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Please contact us - dekstop@macupdate.com so that we may better troubleshoot your issue.   
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Please re-download the application or contact us - desktop@macupdate.com

The original upload had a problem which could be causing your issues.

As for version numbers, sometimes developers mistakenly forgot to properly update the version information in the code. Please report these applications to us so that we can confirm and work with the developers to correct. You may use the "Set version to current" option to override the local version number so that it will show up properly.

thanks  
(Version 5.0)

JOHN QUINN  Sorry, nevermind. I TOTALLY overlooked that same question further down the page. Clicking on the provided link to register is certainly the easiest way. The entire process could have been made a little more intuitive though.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  The login panel has a "Register" button, which will present the MacUpdate Member Registration window - you enter in your name and email, and then on the next screen you can select "Trial" or payment method. If you already have a MacUpdate member account for the email address you enter, it will use that account for the Trial, otherwise, it will create a new Trial membership.

You can also sign up for the trial on the macupdate.com website if you already have a membership and are logged into the site.   
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thanks for the support!  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thank you for your feedback. We have been working hard this year on MacUpdate Desktop 5 to not only improve upon what MacUpdate Desktop 4 offered, but to make it the best Mac update solution out there. As noted in the listing, this is a completely brand new application, and we realize that has has room for improvement, which is why we welcome your feedback! It was extensively beta tested, and your issue with timing out has not been reported before, but we will look into it. We are committed to improving MacUpdate Desktop but can only do so with your feedback and support - look for an update soon that will address some of your other issues. Please feel free to send in feedback from the application, or to desktop@macupdate.com.

thanks!

Chad  
(Version 5.0)

ARCHMISSION  The follow up. The response from MacUpdate has been tremendous and Extremely helpful. I recommend them above all in customer service. The response was immediate.

Microsoft could learn from them as much as GM, Ford, etc.

I am impressed!  
(Version 5.0)

JOEL MUELLER  Is Spotlight turned on? Did you make sure you have the latest "5.0" version that was updated a day after the main release?  
(Version 5.0)

ARCHMISSION  Yes Spotlight is turned on. Yes I have the latest version. I have been in contact with your team and they have helped out other than it will not download the latest from the communities.

Thank you all so much.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  The issue you emailed to us concerning the community listing has been fixed for the update we will be releasing soon, but should also show up properly in 5.0 as well.

If you could please email me your issue with MUMenu, we would appreciate that too - it should be working fine.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  You need to register your account for the Trial membership. You may do this in the application itself in the Register window - the second step will allow you to select Trial or payment. You can also sign up for the Trial online here - https://www.macupdate.com/members/desktoptrial

-Chad  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Most likely, you are hiding or blocking the referrer when you are browsing (various security programs enable this for "private" browsing).

In order to download apps hosted on MacUpdate servers, they need to come from macupdate.com domain names. So if you block the referrer URL, it can't see that and loops you back. This is to prevent extreme bandwidth costs from direct outside linking.

Try disabling the referrer blocking - or contact me desktop@macupdate.com and I will be glad to help you out.

-Chad  
(Version 5.0)

SERGESOUSZERO  Try to type AppFresh in the search field above and watch the result. ;-)  
(Version 5.0)

MUTANT  i noticed that as well, how odd.

i also submitted appfresh as an app, we'll see how that goes.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  AppFresh is a nice application, but the goal of MacUpdate Desktop is to offer a cleaner, faster, and more accurate update experience by leveraging our long history as the leader in Mac software updates. An important part of MacUpdate Desktop is the ability to create Watch Lists of the apps that you care about, and have them synced automatically to your account on the website. You can add new applications to your Watch Lists from the website, and then install them with one click from MacUpdate Desktop. Watch List items will also send you an email the instant a new version is released. We are also focused on providing a better user experience through our Smart Scan system - which shows you the applications and updates that you care about, and not every little applescript executable or helper application or readme.app that can't be updated. Finally, we want to provide the most accurate update information possible and go to great lengths to deliver the most updates to you - AppFresh will often mark an app as being up-to-date when it isn't, or will mark an app as outdated when it isn't or as unknown. We realize that MacUpdate Desktop has room for improvement - and we welcome your feedback. We lowered the membership price specifically so that we could help as many Mac users as possible keep their Mac updated and secure in the easiest way possible. Give it a try, and let is know what you think - desktop@macupdate.com

thanks!  
(Version 5.0)

MISHA  We don't list AppFresh because the application doesn't meet our standards. osx.iusethis.com has many listings that are out of date and AppFresh poorly matches a lot, as well.

The last thing we want is for our users accustomed to MacUpdate's comprehensiveness to download AppFresh via us believing that they are getting anywhere near the same experience and then being accordingly disappointed with the result.

If this seems a little incredulous, consider that *many* people when informed of MacUpdate Desktop respond with "Why would I need that? I just use Mac OS X's built-in Software Update."

Not everyone is a savvy power use and MacUpdate Desktop is designed to be useful and approachable for all user levels.  
(Version 5.0)

JOEL MUELLER  Thanks for your input. I have a few suggestions or semi-solutions for a couple things you were looking for. Instead of downloading and installing everything, you can simply double-click individual listings that you want to update. That's pretty similar to selecting an update, one at a time, and asking it to then download all of the selected updates. It just starts the process for each individual update right away instead of waiting for you to finish your group of selections.

As if something doesn't update, you can skip it and move by right clicking (or use the action menu below) and tell the listing to,"Set version to current" or "Don't check for updates." By setting the version to current, it'll ignore the update until the next time a new release happens. By selecting not to check for updates, it will ignore updates indefinitely until you manually re-active it.   
(Version 5.0)

JOEL MUELLER  I've posted it on a mirror here:

http://download.macupdate.com/MacUpdate-Desktop-5.0.dmg

Usually if the download loops back to the info page, it's because you are blocking from showing the referral website. In order to download apps hosted on MacUpdate servers, they need to come from macupdate.com domain names. So if you block the referrer URL, it can't see that and loops you back. This is to prevent extreme bandwidth costs from direct outside linking.  
(Version 5.0)

ISCREEN  Thanks.

Everything OK with the mirror link.

BTW from time to time the culprit can be found @ 1 Infinite Loop.

;)  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thank you for your feedback - we will be adding a scheduled background check option in future update, along with a host of other features and refinements.

As for titles not matched - there could be a few reasons why they didn't - A) we are not tracking them currently - please submit them to us for review, or B) there is no way to acquire or download them independently (like Photo Booth), or the developer does not offer updates (like Apple has never had a stand-alone Photo Booth updater) or C) MacUpdate Desktop was unable to automatically match the title for some reason. You can either submit to us from within the application, or send me an email - desktop@macupdate - if you just have a list of apps.

thanks!   
(Version 5.0)

JACKMACB  Oh, and I know, they're working on a first update - the one, which fixed my problems. So maybe that's the reason for your trouble?   
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Please contact me directly with any technical support issues - desktop@macupdate.com

I have responded to a few people who commented on this thread and am not sure why they keep posting inaccurate information here.

MacUpdate is a well established leader in Mac software tracking - we have been around for over 12 years, and respond to all support requests that come in as fast as we can.

If you have paid for a membership, you simply need to log into the application using your member email and password - there is no separate registration number or code.  
(Version 5.0)

ORION MK. V  Stupid me. The watchlists work via drag-n-drop afterall -- just not like iTunes smartlists as I'm expected them to.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Watch Lists are similar to a normal playlist in iTunes, except that they automatically are synchronized with your account on macupdate.com - so when you are on the site, you can also add new applications to your Watch Lists from there, and then in MacUpdate Desktop, you can install them with one click. Watch List items will also send you an email notification the instant a new version becomes available.   
(Version 5.0)

NEOSMITH  What I would like to see is where it will download the file into a folder name of the Software and the file name to contain the version number. Of course the version number being in the file name is up to the developer but then again they should always put it in there!!  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Command-R is designated for "Reveal in Finder", like many other apps.

We will be adding multiple selection features in a future update.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "The "-" & "+" buttons are intermittent. Play with launching, creating, renaming and deleting." - please email us - desktop@macupdate.com

thanks!  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thanks for your comments and suggestions - we fully welcome feedback and ideas! Many of your ideas are already part of our plans - today's release of 5.0 is just the beginning for us. There are technical reasons behind how some of the functions work, and we fully realize that there is room for improvement. We are committed to making MacUpdate Desktop the best update solution on the Mac - thanks again for your feedback!

-Chad  
(Version 5.0)

EDIFIED  Thanks Chad- I wish I had time to help develop it as it could become a fantastic desktop repository.

Blessings,  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  "Set to Current Version" will override the local version number reported with the current version number from MacUpdate.com. This can be useful especially when developers make a mistake and do not properly update the version information when they release a new version. When this happens, MacUpdate will continually report the app as out-of-date, even when it is actually the latest. We work closely with developer to try to get them to fix their errors, but this is a stop-gap solution for our users.

How to "Unset Current Version"? - there is no reason to unset - if a newer version comes out, it will be reset and updated to hopefully the new correct version number, unless the developer makes a mistake again.   
(Version 5.0)

DP8  The Bodega application is nice, but is nothing like MacUpdate Desktop - it does not show all of your applications (only the ones it "knows about", it does not show Widgets, Screen Savers, or Pref Panes. It also does not have anything like Watch Lists, and does not automatically install your updates for you with one click (it only downloads). It also does not come close to being able to identify and match what MacUpdate Desktop can. Simply put, the apps have different purposes and uses - they are primarily selling you new applications, while we are trying to help Mac users keep their apps up-to-date. Please give it try.  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thanks! And thank you for testing and input - we welcome feedback and want to provide the best update experience for us Mac users everywhere!  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  thanks for your patience - we'll have a fix for you shortly  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  Thanks! We appreciate all of the help and feedback we have received and are working hard to make it even better! Enjoy!  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  As I just mentioned below, we are working on a fix for you, and apologize for your troubles. Thank you for your patience!

  
(Version 5.0)

FLAVUM  Just to be sure, I subscribed to the MacUpdate Web site for $39.95 earlier this month. Is MUD registration included in that fee? Hope I don't sound like a dope...  
(Version 5.0)

JACKMACB  Git the exact same problem. Funny though is, that MUD finds and ignores other apps after each restart. Have tried to rebuild spotlight to no avail.

There sure is a bug flying around here...  
(Version 5.0)

DP8  We are sorry this it isn't working properly for you, and are working on a fix as fast as we can. It appears to be an isolated issue affecting only a handful of people, and did not crop up during our beta tests. Please keep an eye out for an update - and contact desktop@macupdate.com if you can provide any more information.

thanks!   
(Version 5.0)

MISHA  Thanks for the feedback -- auto-deletion of updates is a good idea. If you want to tidy up your MUD downloads a bit, from Preferences choose "Keep Downloads Sorted By Date" and that will create a new folder in your Downloads folder each day MUD runs and will save all your downloads inside (making it easier to delete MUD downloads).

You can also specify a different Downloads folder, of course.  
(Version 5.0)

HMURCHISON  Misha

I do have Hazel would could easily take the contents of a MUD folder and delete them. I just don't know how feasible it would be for a future version of Desktop to do natively. Maybe a simple "Folder Action" or something. I'll tinker around later with Automator and see if there are other ways. It's not a biggie ..just housekeeping stuff.   
(Version 5.0)

DP8  That widget does work pretty well (we worked closely with the developer of it to make sure it didn't abuse our servers), but it does not match what MacUpdate Desktop can do when locating new updates, nor does it automatically install them or help you manage your watch lists.   
(Version 5.0)

IMHO  I know that MacUpdate Desktop can do more then the widget. But if you didn't install a lot of software that can change any moment, it seems to be enough. I'll give MacUpdate Desktop the free 10-days trial. Who knows ...  
(Version 5.0)

MISHA  Please email desktop@ -- we'd like to see the crash logs so we can address whatever problem you encountered asap.  
(Version 5.0)

MISHA  Thanks for the feedback, Alfie. We beta tested 5.0 extensively and would like to hear more about the crash and error message you received, as we haven't encountered them but certainly want to fix them for you asap -- please email us at desktop@

Regarding your points:

1) This will be fixed in 5.0.1 (currently in development)

2) Presently macupdate.com only tracks the latest versions, so CS3 apps get flagged as being out of date since CS4 is out (even though they may be up to date as far as CS3 goes). We are working on substantial overhauls to MacUpdate that will, among other things, allow us to support multiple branches of the same app. Short answer: this too will be fixed. :)

3) As I mentioned above, please contact us at desktop@  
(Version 5.0)

MISHA  Unfortunately, to make MUD the best app it could be required leveraging technologies and frameworks that Apple only started including with 10.5. We would have loved to support older users to but it would have meant significantly changing the application and reducing its functionality to accommodate what are now a very small % of our visitors. I'd be happy to put your MUD subscription on pause until you one day move to 10.5.  
(Version 5.0)

GAVIN CUTSHALL  Misha is being too polite. I'm sure many Mac fans have computers dating back to System 7, likewise, Windows 3.1 is probably still in the wild. Just because someone, somewhere has old hardware does not mean the march of progress should come to a halt. This is the very essence of why Mac OS is superior.  
(Version 5.0)

MACMAN8  I am truly sorry for my original posting, and will refrain from making such postings again. Best wishes to the developers.  
(Version 5.0)

STAINER  MacLover Scrooge: Your comment and suggestion would be great if it included an alternative and viable business model for MacUpdate so they don't have to starve for your lousy $20 worth of added value on top of an already free and great service. Geez, some people...  
(Version 5.0)

KOSOVAR1  Actually, CNET TechTracker IS free. It's a preference pane that installs and mostly works without too much user intervention in the background. It doesn't work very well, though. It always lists half a dozen programs as out-of-date, but which have already been updated. Another case of getting what you pay for. At $20, I don't intend to even try MUD Desktop though.   
(Version 5.0)

MUTANT  http://metaquark.de/appfresh/ - free for now  
(Version 5.0)