MACLOVER1.1  Between Camino and Safari.. my heart swings... but if I found yet a better lover I'd go for it.. 'cause neither is really perfect... Safari is the memory hog monster we all know (i'm not sure why it is so hungry really)... and Camino is unfortunately less stable than Safari (at least in my setup... could have many causes I guess.. though which.. I do not know).

So where is that perfect browser... I mean it's almsot 2010.. Shouldn't it exist by now ? I tried Chrome (sorry but I am so NOT impressed... I eve wonder it it is not some sort of ploy to scan my computer and send all info to the CIA lol).

Anyway I'd like to make Camino my favorite browser but I am not just ready for the wedding... Girl has to get in shape a bit.  
(Version 2.0)

UNCLE ASAD  If you're experiencing crashes with Camino, please report them using the Camino Crash Reporter, and if you have persistent crashes, please post in the forum or file a bug.

We've established the causes of some common crashes already; see http://caminobrowser.org/blog/2009/#camino2update for more information, fixes, and work-arounds (as well as links to both the forum and information about reporting bugs).  
(Version 2.0)

DOOBIEXX  Camino works fine, a bit slow but camino never was a fast flyer for me... 1password works without a hitch so I have no idea what others are saying and about the tab overview... at least it is included and I like the way it operates... Maybe the user below me likes to see his tabs on the right but I like to see the whole page when I am browsing a page so tabs taking over the window with a hotkey is not slow and very efficient. Try it, it is free after all, and open source...  
(Version 2.0)

ILIKETRASH  Nobody, but nobody, gets thumbnail tabs right except for OmniWeb. Put them in a scrollable drawer to one side (not top or bottom) which are visible by default. If you don't want to see them, close the drawer. If you want to re-order them, drag the thumbnails. If you don't like the size, change the width of the drawer. In Camino 2.0 (and, well, "others,"), you have to hit a special key to see thumbnails, and then the entire window is taken over by them. They should be visible as "thumbnails" all the time so that you can see what tab you want to view next. What other purpose could there be?

And I see that Camino 2.0 still has jerky scrolling, but not as bad as Firefox. Would it kill someone to make the smallest scroll increment be one pixel?  
(Version 2.0)

MAC_CRAZY  Problem with 2.0 not working with 1Password 2.11.1, icon does not show in toolbar, nor does it show when you try to customize toolbar, still running Mac 10.4 Tiger.  
(Version 2.0)

FERVID  My favourite browser by far..... until ver. 2.0 that is. Running Tiger on 2.5Ghz PPC machine and this new version is much too slooooooow for me (very un-Camino indeed!). Sticking with version 1.6 i'm afraid until I upgrade to a new machine.  
(Version 2.0)

LACWBO  The new version 2 still contains a bug which always returns you to the top of a page instead of the position of the selected link. Firefox and Safari do not exhibit this behavior.   
(Version 2.0)

DRG  The printing function on V2.0 of Camino has completely changed and now it mimics Firefox. This is unfortunate for Vision Service Plan's website printed great with Camino and not with Firefox. As far as I'm concerned this is a step downwards, not upwards.  
(Version 2.0)

GORDON142  I understand that the Camino team is small, but in the years since its debut, the browser world has changed, and it's just not clear what purpose this browser serves anymore. When Camino was released, Safari was in its infancy with a very limited feature-set and a long list of major sites that failed to render in webkit. Firefox was rough and slow and very badly integrated on the Mac OS. Camino gave you the attractive and mac-like interface of Safari with the powerful and widely compatible rendering engine of Firefox. A winning combination at the time.

Well, in the last few years Safari and Firefox have made massive strides. Safari has matured rendering and feature-wise. Webkit is now considered one of the best and most compatible rendering engines on the market and is widely used on the Desktop and mobile space. It is rare indeed to encounter a site that Safari cannot render properly. Firefox is faster, more feature-full, and integrates much better into the Mac OS features and appearance. Camino has not kept up at all. Version 2.0 adds nothing terribly compelling and is essentially just trying to play catch-up with the big players. Camino's rendering, which used to be one of its big selling points, is far behind Firefox. Camino's javascript performance is about on par with Internet Explorer 8, and Firefox and Safari leave it in the dust in this respect. I just can't find any reason to use Camino at this point. If you want a quick-launching, completely mac-like app, use Safari. If you want a large integrated feature-set and true extensibility, use Firefox.  
(Version 2.0)

IGREG  v.2.0 is working worse than 1.6. More trouble loading pages. Slower.  
(Version 2.0)

FYREFLYE  I used to love Camino, but its development has been so slow that many of the once enthusiastic extension providers have all but abandoned Pimp My Camino. The "essential" featured items there either don't work any more or haven't been updated in two or three years. There's still no adequate cookie control. Camino is now essentially the Lite version of Firefox and it's just too Lite. Though many still cling to it because it's so "Mac like" you have to wonder if they're still using OS 9 too. There are just too many good browsers out there now to justify using one this far behind the pack in development.  
(Version 2.0)

BIGDAVE56  2.0 refuses to import my Firefox bookmarks.  
(Version 2.0)

ERIC DURBROW  And the Acid 3 Test is 72 out of 100. Chrome and Safari are 100 out of 100. Firefox 3.6 beta is 91/100. So why use it?  
(Version 2.0)

ERIC DURBROW  Using SunSpider JavaScript benchmark, I get 600-700 ms for Safari, WebKit, and Chrome. For Camino I get 3000 ms. What am I missing here? I would like to like this browser but 3000 ms for running Java Script?  
(Version 2.0)

M85  2.0 - Whew, been waiting a long time for this  
(Version 2.0)

IGREG  The new FlashPlayer update that just came out is crashing Camino on some sites  
(Version 1.6.10)

C. MCGLEASON  I've been using Camino as my primary browser since 2005. I started to use it not because I disliked FireFox or Safari, but because I was expressly looking for a different browser.

I manage a web software development department, and my general philosophy has been that everyone in my organization should use whatever browser they wish. That way, we won't get into the mindset of developing for just a few browsers. (By the way, this strategy has worked wonderfully - we support all modern web browsers very well, and the transitions to new browsers, and supporting new technologies like AJAX has been pain-free).

In any case, some folks in my shop were using FireFox, Safari, various IE flavors (on Windows), and Opera. At the time, I decided to go with Camino because no one else was using it.

I've been loving it ever since. It has a great, well thought out user interface, and it has that tried-and-true Gecko rendering engine. It also has Flash blocking capabilities, which I love, because I'm not a big fan of the "dancing shadow" or "hit the monkey" web advertisements.

It doesn't have the "plug-in feature" mentality of FireFox, but I can always fire up FF if I need some of those capabilities for work.

Camino is rock-solid. In fact, I don't remember the current version, 1.6, crashing on me even once. And I use it every day. I'm using it now, in fact.

I highly recommend Camino for anyone interested in an alternative to other excellent Mac browsers.  
(Version 1.6.10)

BIGJMACNHASH  I've tried alot of different browsers on this site & from my experience this is the best of them all.   
(Version 1.6.10)

I(POWER)MAC  For "Snow Leopard" users: download from here the newest Java Embedding Plugin, and Java will work perfectly.  
(Version 1.6.10)

XENOPHILE  How is this better than Firefox? It has fewer features and is based on an older version of the Gecko rendering engine.   
(Version 1.6.10)

ZACHWILL  I love Camino. By far my favorite browser for Mac OSX.

I feel everyone should check out the new 2.0b4 of Camino. I find it's really stable and has quite a few improved features over 1.6.9  
(Version 1.6.9)

XPLICIT  Doesn't open some URLs ... or any at all after reinstalling. Anyone else with this problem?  
(Version 1.6.8)

DANA SUTTON  I realize that almost every browser out there has its fans, and that what I am about to say will bring down the wrath of some readers, but I personally think the great profusion of broswers is silly (and, incidentally, makes life unduly hard for us poor Web designers). If all the brainpower invested in developing them were focused on smaller number, and if all the available knowledge about browser design were pooled, it is not difficult to imagine that the results would be better for everybody.   
(Version 1.6.8)

HALODEMO002  Right when Safari started to fail.

You are almighty.  
(Version 1.6.7)

SEAN M.  Ad-block now works slightly better.   
(Version 1.6.7)

NAMAN  As much as I love Camino, I think the devs are making a huge mistake by continuing to work on the 1.x trunk at all. It's actually been less stable than the 2.x trunk for me, and the 2.x trunk is vastly superior in terms of features and compatibility. I wish they'd at least post the betas here, because as seen in other comments, a lot of people think Camino is barely being maintained and have been abandoning it.

For those interested, I recommend http://preview.caminobrowser.org/ or checking out a recent nightly build.  
(Version 1.6.7)

SNOWWHITESICKETTE  I've been using Camino for over two years now, and I find it to be a great alternative to Safari. Camino has ad-blocking built in, and for that reason alone it beats Safari. Camino is less-bloated and faster than Safari MOST of the time. I like to open hundreds of tabs when I am browsing the internet, and until recently*, Camino could handle the most tabs before crashing/hanging/freezing. *(I have had unexpected success with Safari's tab capacity on one old G3 that I use part of the time, 1200+ tabs open and hardly slowing at all! On my other computers, Camino works best with many tabs.)

Version 1.5 was better for me than any of the 1.6 releases I've tried. In 1.6, when I use Google and click to open new tabs, I get asked if I want to set a cookie (my preference) but fails to remember what I'd clicked on just before the cookie nag pops up. I have to click again for it to open that tab. I don't remember this in the older version. In an earlier download of 1.6, the tab scrolling got wonky sometimes causing me to close a tab that was not the one I thought. I will update about version 1.6.6 when I've used it more. Lastly, I don't use Camino 1.6 as often as before, because I find it to be more bloated than the previous releases. It's still a good browser, and I deleted Firefox because Camino has replaced it as my alternative to Safari. I will continue to use Camino, as it's been such a good browser, but I do hope it becomes less bloated in the future.   
(Version 1.6.6)

CORPSECORPS  With "Adblock Plus" having Added "Element Hiding Helper" and other advanced features, the kind of dynamically configurable content filtering i've been waiting on for years (and more) has arrived... for Firefox!

So i'm finally saying goodbye to Camino. It's developers have gone beyond Mac-Like to raise "lean" to a religion. They've stuck with Jasper's UI graphics for ages, which have always been subtle to the point of boring. Even Apple throws some innovation and color into their apps.

A few obvious basics have been ignored far too long here. After all this time, it's STILL not possible to search all bookmarks simultaneously, for instance.

Ever since this was Chimera 0.7, my choice of browsers in order of preference has been:

1. CAMINO

2. Firefox

3. Safari.

4. Everything else

With developments in the past year or 2, it's become:

1. FIREFOX

2. Safari

3. Camino

4. Everything else

Even some of the "Everything Else" is poised to overtake Camino. (not the monstrosities known as Omni and Opera, of course) X^b

UI interfaces for content blocking and a half-dozen minor features would make Camino #1 again but alas, Camino devs suffer feature-phobia. (not that Firefox for Mac devs couldn't learn a thing or two from Camino's design)  
(Version 1.6.6)

BLUEPOLO  The auto-update seemed to go OK, but Camino would not launch. Tried 3 times then looked in the crash log.

Seems auto-update missed something, so downloaded a news dmg, and now it works OK.

Process: Camino [7832]

Path: /Applications/Camino.app/Contents/MacOS/Camino

Identifier: org.mozilla.camino

Version: ??? (???)

Code Type: X86 (Native)

Parent Process: launchd [388]

Date/Time: 2008-12-29 08:59:33.738 +0000

OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F33)

Report Version: 6

Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)

Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000000

Crashed Thread: 0

Dyld Error Message:

Library not loaded: @executable_path/libxpcom.dylib

Referenced from: /Applications/Camino.app/Contents/MacOS/Camino

Reason: image not found  
(Version 1.6.6)

MRHOOKS  No longer blocks flash animation for me. G5, 10.4.9.  
(Version 1.6.6)

CORPSECORPS  Has always been small, fast, and solid!

MacUpdate should really axe all those votes for alternatives, since they were made during the period when votes could be hacked!  
(Version 1.6.6)

MICG  Great web browser for Mac that has had a long support time for the earlier Mac OS X versions!

My wife uses Camino and rarely, if ever complains about it.

She gets everything done with Camino. Blogging, ordering, browsing, everything. The G4 optimized build was great too!  
(Version 1.6.6)

MOK.IN.TOUCH™  Love everything of it, but I can't get the url in TBird email when I click on send link. The only thing that shows up in TBird email is the subject line.  
(Version 1.6.6)

AANHORN  Fast, functional, free : Camino is easily a strong contender for the best browser on OS X.

Camino uses less RAM on average than Safari, it locks up less on average than Safari, what else do you need to know?

Anyone who needs a serious browser definitely should give Camino a look.  
(Version 1.6.6)

TREADMAN  Recently upgraded to Leopard (10.5.5). Camino crashes most everytime I click a link. What's up here?  
(Version 1.6.5)

ROBOTANK  I revisited Camino for the first time in a while with this release and was very impressed overall. It's fast, lightweight, and has a nice feature set including ad blocking and Flash blocking built in. In addition, it's written in Cocoa, so it's genuinely OS X native, unlike Firefox 3 which fakes a native Aqua interface. There are numerous hidden preferences and a few add-ons to tweak its behaviour further. Where Camino comes up short is in its lack of drag-and-drop tab reordering and low standards compliance due to its using the 1.8 Gecko branch (like Firefox 2). However, Camino 2.0 looks set to solve these issues in the near future. Check out the official Camino blog and the Mozilla forums for more information.  
(Version 1.6.5)

SAMMYTHEROOK  Like a good woman, fast, functional, and beautiful. Especially recommended for those who, like me, run an older mac. My lady is a 700Mhz eMac (640MB RAM) running Tiger, and sometimes, with some browsers, is a tad slow. Not so with Camino, which moves quicker than a Nun's first Vindaloo.

I tried Firefox (3 is an improvement), but its a bit bloated with all those add ons, which seem like a good idea at the time, but which I harldy used.

I do, however, love the Firefox icon, and I use this in my dock for camino; thanks to such apps as 'Caminicon' and 'Unify Camino', there is a wide variety of customisable themes and icons available. I wanted the Firefox Icon, but i still wanted to distinguish Camino from FF, so I downloaded this, the best reworking of the FF icon for OSX http://www.glennwolsey.com/2006/09/25/stylish-firefox-replacement-icon/  
(Version 1.6.5)

JB4  Camino not "keeping up?"

It still loads faster from the dock than any browser I've tried.

Safari? Not for me.... it's faster than it was, but won't load all the sites I need...  
(Version 1.6.5)

JB4  I've been using this as my #1 browser forever.

Fast, light and stable.

Add blocking works.

For those that want daily (almost) updates there is "Camino Knight" and for those who want to customize the "look & feel" there is "Caminicon." These two pieces of freeware are developed by Reinhold Penner and are indispensable for me.

I don't know why this browser does not get more attention.... all the tests I've seen has it near or at the top in most categories.

My very grateful thanks to all the developers who work on this project (did I say there were daily updates/ ;>) in their free time.  
(Version 1.6.4)

THEBRIX2008  Camino still stands up splendidly against the rest - although it may lack fireworks, the basics are done solidly and without fuss and it is fast, particularly with the Core 2 Duo optimised builds that are available. And it still has unique features - I am surprised that the built-in ad blocker is either omitted elsewhere or implemented so poorly the authors might as well not have bothered (Opera, OmniWeb).

Plus - the two make-or-break attributes for me - it has a 1Password plugin and it works with two Web sites I use which fail with all WebKit-based browsers and for which there seems to be little interest, on either side, in fixing. Unfortunately, one is my share dealer and the other is my pension provider, so they have to work ...  
(Version 1.6.4)

MISHA  I used this until Safari 3/Leopard. Then I stopped really seeing the benefit, since Safari 3 works about as quickly. The only thing Safari 3 doesn't have (and that no add-on enables) is Favicons in the bookmarks bar. I liked that my Camino bookmarks bar was basically all icons.

With the iPhone, Safari's Bookmark syncing (both with iTunes and Mobile Me) gave it another big advantage. I still use Camino as a "second" browser for testing sites and having a browser that's not exploding with cookies, but as a primary browser I just don't really see the advantages overs Safari 3 anymore (for my use, at least).

I am looking forward to 2.0. If they can add some of the features that make OmniWeb nice (features no other browser has), that would be great.  
(Version 1.6.4)

MACINTOSHDOWNLOADER  Camino is a great, lightweight browser. Its aimed at people that prefer stability and speed over features.

The things that I don't like about it are that: 1. it doesn't support tab re-arrangement, which is a feature used by many people and helps organize tabs and 2. it doesn't receive updates that often and you have to wait for months till a new version with some new features come out. Camino 2.0 was supposed to have come out this summer, but unfortunately, that didn't happen. Camino 2.0 is supposed to have new features like Tabsposé and re-arrangeable tabs.

I hope that a Beta version of Camino 2.0 comes out soon.  
(Version 1.6.3)

MACGEEK914  I have always enjoyed using the Camino browser. It is VERY stable (in my opinion), and it works well too. You cannot customize it the same way you can Firefox, but sometime simple is beautiful. :)  
(Version 1.6.3)

JAZZYGUY  Doesn't support 1Password. A real inconvenience. The previous poster probably has 1Password set up for Camino which will make the browser crash.  
(Version 1.6.3)

CHAOTICPIXEL  Well, I switched to 1.6.3, and now I can't get it to launch at all. It just keeps crashing. Anyone know why?  
(Version 1.6.3)

DRG  I have a love/hate relationship with Camino: I love everything about it EXCEPT one thing that I ABSOLUTELY HATE: download beginnings and endings TAKE FOR-EV-ER!!! For example: I want to view a .pdf file: In Safari and Firefox it opens quickly in a window and I can save to my drive quickly and easily. In Camino, the only way to view it is to download it to the drive: It must take at least 10-15 seconds before the download begins and then another 10-15 seconds after the download for the download window to close, AND during these times, the browser is completely paralyzed. UGH!!! To Camino's developers, if you change anything in the next version, you've GOT to fix this!!  
(Version 1.6.1)

RENESIS  Wow, I just tried Camino basically for the hell of it (well after I didn't like FF3 too much) and I am really glad that I did.

Beside the fact that it looks a whole lot livelier than Safari, it has a lot more features that Safari should have. My two favorite are the download box closes after its finished downloading, and built-in ad blocking.

Also, another touch that I like is it allows you to override the website font, with your own custom font, making reading much more enjoyable and nicer looking for me.

My only gripe is that hideous icon.

5 Stars in every category so far, I may update this review down the road. Time to check out what goodies pimpmycamino.com has for me.  
(Version 1.6.1)

M85  Liked 1.6.1, but it crashed on me at least twice daily and sometimes used up a lot of CPU cycles, making my fan go crazy. Switched to a 2.0 nightly (2008061223) yesterday and run it heavily in the last day. Not a hiccup yet on my Penryn powerbook (2 gig of ram, 10.5.3)  
(Version 1.6.1)

GUMM  Thank you uncle Asad, will have a look.  
(Version 1.6.1)

GUMM  Camino is a nice looking simple Browser, yes, but it lacks important basic features.

I don't understand some of the arguments here, - there are some people that are against javascript- or adblocking, really?

"That's defeating the purpose of Camino. Camino is lean and fast, incorporating the features of FireFox would slow it down and bloat it up."

- Oh really? How for example can selective Javascript-blocking slow down browsing? Some sites today load 3-5 MB of Javascript garbage before you see the first word or image!

Some pages are bloated with ads, and all that is loaded in Camino, just partly hidden by css, nothing is blocked, you have all the shit loaded right into your Mac when using Camino, everything is loaded, you just don't see it, - partly, as many ads go thru the css "filter".

Of course this all slows down your browsing expirience. Who can tell the opposite, that's just...!

"If you want the functions of Firefox, just use Firefox."

- Ha, If you don't like to see me sneezing in my hand just go away.

Very good argument.

- I thought Camino was ment as the "Mac-Firefox", a Mozilla browser with an interface for us macusers. So we macusers don't need adblocking or any modern comfort?

I'm not talking about a currency converter plug in the toolbar here or things like that windows users may feel to need every day, I'm talking about slowdowned browsing by unfiltered ads and javascript bloat.

And javascript is and was a security hole, the same as activeX on PC, so why not get the chance to block it if unneeded or unwanted on some sites?

> If you want more than basic functions, just use iCab (though still partly buggy), Omniweb (Tab horror) or Firefox (with added plugins).  
(Version 1.6.1)

KINGADROCK  That's defeating the purpose of Camino. Camino is lean and fast, incorporating the features of FireFox would slow it down and bloat it up.

If you want the functions of Firefox, just use Firefox.  
(Version 1.6.1)

FIGHTINGCAT  I like Camino but i missed the feature to use the Add-Ons from Firefox.   
(Version 1.6.1)

JON55  My biggest complaint is that I have trouble deciding whether to use Firefox or this.

Firefox 3 is awesome, but Camino just keeps getting better and better. They're both so amazing, I don't know which one to choose!  
(Version 1.6.1)

JAN13  This browser is what claim to be ... Lightning-Fast, elegant and simple to use. With improve security I Can not say more then to see this one as valid part of daily browsing.  
(Version 1.6.1)

BEN77  No adblocking, no javascript or plugs on/off per site.

Would be great to have a contextual menu entry like: "Never show/load this image/element/site again". And a javascript and plugins on/off button would be a very usefull first step.

There are polite and friendly ads on websites and many offensive and primitive ads, we need a progressive browser to block the latter.

Not bad, but could and should be somewhat better than safari, otherwise what for?

Ad valorem a mediocre rating fom me  
(Version 1.6)

RAMPANCY  A great browser, made by Mac users, for Mac users. It's a proper UI citizen on the Mac OS, it's fast, and it's a pleasure to use. The developers on the MozillaZine forum for Camino are friendly, prompt and helpful when it comes to help requests, too. Bravo to the developers, for the hard work they've put into making Camino what it is now.   
(Version 1.6)

KINGADROCK  I find Camino to be the very best of the browsers currently available on the Mac for regular users. It's lean, it's clean, it's fast, and it renders nearly all web pages flawlessly.

If you're looking for add-ons and don't mind a sub-par interface go with FireFox. If you're looking for the all the bells and whistles and a Mac-centric interface go with OmniWeb (at a price.) But if you're an average user who just wants a free, very fast, Mac-friendly browser nothing beats Camino.  
(Version 1.6)

GIMPEL  Yes, Mark Everitt, english is not my native language, I can speak and write in three languages fluently. English is only the fourth and I'm not so good at it, sorry.

My statement is:

Today a browser without integrated javascript- or adblocking or plugin-managment is an anachronism in my eyes.

It's like an texteditor without search & replace.

The most important basic features are missing. I can't give a big hurray to a browser that simply can display webpages, there must be more, something unique, real features, to applaude.

I don't write with simpletext anymore and I don't want to surf with simpleweb, I want the comfort to block unneeded content while I am surfing.

For example, If you surf a long day with safari (which is fast) you get thousands of offensive ads, I just want to filter the most. And I don't like javascripts that open 3 or 4 windows in the background when you click on just one link.

I think an alternative browser shoul'd do that better, otherwise it' not an alternative for me.

Last week I had to do some research with google, I've been looking for informations about breast cancer (my mother is very ill), I got many rersults in google, so I surfed the web the whole day, and I had to watch thousands of ads (the most were with sexual content, must have been the word "breast").

I don't like to read about penis-enlargement (I surely don't have one, so nothing can't get bigger here) when I'm looking for something importment to me. One site with online-poker foollowed me for hours, that makes me angry, - because I have no browser that protects me from such things.

Firefox crashed to often, so I tried camino. It was the same thing as with safari, only a bit slower.

In 2008 it shouldn't be needed to install extra (mostly buggy) plugins to just block aggressive ads, that should be implemented in a modern browser and it should be well done, I think.

Camino just hides ads with css, that's what I did ten years ago in netscape. (The ads are all loaded, just hidden, that costs bandwith).

So Camino in 2008 has no adblocking, just adhiding. And if you want to use javascript on one page but not on the other you have to go your long way thru the preferences everytime, the same for plugins. That's as primitive as my use of your language...

If you want to read flummeries, than read their self-praise in the camino description here on the site.  
(Version 1.6)

ROBBY.IS.ON  I wrote a comment as a reply a few posts down, would like to add the appropriate stars. :)  
(Version 1.6)

FYREFLYE  Any Intel optimized builds available yet? Not that 1.6 isn't blazing fast as it is.  
(Version 1.6)

SIXER ___2  Fantastic browser. Exactly as they say, it's got the reliability of Moz with the ease of the Mac interface, and it's fast. Nothing beats it.

I wish it will someday have an Error console though.  
(Version 1.6)

JDUB800  Great product - and I appreciate the open source, non paid for aspect. It's well featured, but boy, is it slow to develop.

v1.0 to v1.6 in what, six years?

I wish I could contribute in a meaningful way...  
(Version 1.6)

JANGLE  Nice, lean and fits right into Mac OS X. I use it as a backup whenever Safari doesn't work for some site.  
(Version 1.5.4)

MEEGO  There are optimized builds as usual.

For Intel, http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=594213&sid=d705091e01e909d48f9793a9ab4db53f

courtesy of heronstalker

For PPC, http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/

courtesy of RPMozley

You can also try http://www.pimpmycamino.com

Cheers!  
(Version 1.5.2)

M85  Actually, this is a pretty buggy release. Scroll bars and hyperlinks aren't working sometimes. Also when I changed tabs a video (from Apple's site, no less) decided to come along for the ride and was playing over the new window I'd tabbed too.  
(Version 1.5.2)

M85  Link seems to be fixed now.

This is a terrific update. It feels nimble, very stable, and, combined with the new flip4mac plugin, video playback's awesome.  
(Version 1.5.2)

UNCLE ASAD  MacUpdate is still linking to the ancient 1.5 version of the multilingual Camino; Camino 1.5.2 Multilingual can be found at http://download.mozilla.org/?product=camino-1.5.2&os=osx&lang=all  
(Version 1.5.2)

MADMEG  This is the zippiest browser I've ever used. I miss Safari's built-in RSS reader, but I'm getting over it. The trade off in speed is so worth it.  
(Version 1.5.1)

ANOMIA  Camino1.5.1-G3-750.dmg

Camino1.5.1-G4-7400.dmg

Camino1.5.1-G4-7450.dmg

For these optimised builds go here:

http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/builds/camino/  
(Version 1.5.1)

LEONCAHUN  Thanks for your very kind and informative response.

Regarding search in the context menu: I feel ashamed, I must have been blind (or am I fixated to the string "Google"??). Sorry.

Here are few more observations which, I guess, are targets for future improvement (I know, I should file bugs through Camino's bugtracker, and I will––):

Tabbing: Hitting the tab-key to cycle through address/url field, search field, (inner-page)search/form entry fields doesnt quite work as expected: other than Safari, the cursor doesnt return (cycle back) to the address/url field after hitting tab sufficiently often. Sometimes, for instance on quite a lot of WordPress-themes, I get caught in the WordPress-search field and cannot get back to Camino's URL field but by reaching for the mouse.

Selecting/Opening an URL as text: Camino doesnt recognize (parse) an URL when it is written out as text on a page. Again, Safari does this by way of a context menu item. Very handy.

For the time being one can use the bookmarklet "Open Selected Text URL" (http://www.nadamac.de/camitools/camiutils/).

Shortcuts (command-1, command-2, ...) for bookmarks in the bookmark bar only work while the bookmark bar is displayed – that's confusing (to me, at least, since: what else uses cmd-number as shortcut?!; and it is different from Safari's behaviour).

The cancel-shortcut (command-.), I guess an OS X-standard, doesnt work in some Camino-dialogues (Save, Bookmark Current Page...); it does work in the Print-dialogue, thou.

The (Safari-like) shortcut Command-d for bookmarking the current page is not documented (though welcome for Safari-switchers).

Saving a page: I am not sure if Camino acts overly clever in guessing the title of the page to be saved (what shows up in the Save-dialogue's "Save as"-field): I guess Camino cuts out everything of the URL (of the page to be saved) that comes after the last slash. That's more often than not quite non-descriptive (like: "index.php", or something).

Safari, on the other hand, parses the Title-tag of the HTML-document to be saved. Better. Alas, more often than not, page-authors (for instance, of newspapers) put something rather non-specific between the title-tags. Apparently, most people doesnt save as much stuff as I do.

Again, thanks for bringing Camino to the Mac world – even after Saft's 9.0b (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/12402/saft) release, I havent returned to Safari as my default browser yet, and I'm not sure I will. Camino keeps feeling snappy, and the ad-, Flash-blocking runs circles around Safari's.

Best, Leon  
(Version 1.5)

LEONCAHUN  Very nice browser, especially since 1.5. Text-display is not quite on par with Safari, Safari's interface is a tick more polished (I _love_ that Safari doesnt need no "Go"-button or Return-key), but still: fast and clean.

Particularly nice is Camino's ad-blocking, especially regarding Flash (blocking Flash, indicating it by icon which can be clicked on a case-by-case basis, no all-over activation for Flash when you just want to see that one YouTube-video -- as with Safari's Saft-plugin, for instance: there, you always have to go to the Safari-Menu to unblock Flash etc., which causes _all_ Flash-instances in _all_ open windows/tabs to activate: very annoying, quite time-consuming, superfluous).

Ok, said that, there are a couple of gripes I have with Camino 1.5:

- no support for Dictionary in the context menu; not even for the control-command-D shortcut.

- no direct option-click (or by context menu item) download to your download-directory of files which get otherwise opened in a browser-window (like mp3's) -- Safari does this by way of option-click/cm item.

- Bookmark manager: while vastly better than Safari's (which is ridiculous: no ordering etc.), I would wish to have something like a column-view. Moreover, search works not as expected, since when you search "All", it searchs only in the collection selected in the right-hand panel (and, no, you cannot command-select more than one collection at once). What about search _all_ (collections)??!

What is nice though is, that Camino doesnt seem to slow down over time, even in the course of extensive sessions (I'm looking in your direction, Safari). I still have an eye on memory-consumption (again, Safari can be a very bad boy).

Thanks for reading my overly long comment.  
(Version 1.5)

LGOF03  This is an absolutely outstanding - program. three things set this apart

1. spell check built into the browser (a god sent for people like me with dyslexia)

2. enhanced pop up blocking (i gives you the option to chose to block pop ups forever from some sites and allow pop ups for other- also allows you to stop those annoying animations).

3. SPEED- one of the faster browsers i've used

at first i thought this could NEVER replace firefox as my main browser. i was wrong.

great work  
(Version 1.5)

SHOCK J  Can't get v1.5 to work. The app launches. I can load 1 page and that's it. Every subsequent attempt to load another Web site just leaves the browser "hanging." It just sits there trying to load the page. Version 1.04 works fine. I deleted prefs and App Support folder. Same issue. MacBook Pro, OS X10.4.9. Anyone else seeing this?  
(Version 1.5)

ANOMIA  need an optimized build?

go here:http://camino.undo.it/

you can get these:

Camino 1.5

* Camino-G3-750.dmg

* Camino-G4-7400.dmg

* Camino-G4-7450.dmg

* Camino-G5-970.dmg

* Camino-Intel-Core.dmg  
(Version 1.5)

WILLDADDY  Great browser, much more mac-like than firefox, but more site compatible than safari. Each new version really does get better and better. Been using it since was Chimera. It's my main browser.  
(Version 1.5)

ASTROBRUCE  resizing the search field is a real plus. and one of the main reasons that safari was my main browser. with camitools, camino has enough features and configurability for me (although i do miss some of ff's extensions such as web developer). safari for my tastes still has the better looking UI, but camino renders pages better. ff is by far the best Windows browser, but for me its a very close race between Camino, Safari and ff on the mac. Camino 1.5 by a nose.  
(Version 1.5)

SCHOSCHIE  Camino is THE best browser on the Mac. It's very fast, it's got the most precise HTML rendering engine on the planet (Gecko), and it's got an excellently-designed GUI.

It doesn't get on its knees when rendering AJAX websites like Safari does. It's got an excellent, zero-config annoyance blocker built in. It's got all the essential features and no clutter.

Developers might want to use Firefox for web development because of the possibilities with using plug-ins.

Everybody else, get Camino.  
(Version 1.5)

ARKY  My default browser. Nice & simple UI theme. Intuitive to use. Only thing I miss from Firefox is a better search (searchbar & search as you type), not a big fan of popup search windows.  
(Version 1.5)

CORPSECORPS  _

Still the baddest browser on the planet, and now better!

.  
(Version 1.5)

SLOB  It's fast and smooth & I'd switch from Safari right now, if only..

1. it'd save selected text in rtf into, say, Devonthink, to maintain formatting and embedded links

2. it had the Acidsearch and Stand plugins or something similar (or maybe there already are, I dunno)  
(Version 1.5)

J-A-X  Camino 1.5 fixes all of the deficiencies of the previous versions. This is going to be my primary browser. It has all the nice UI and mac friendly stuff (like Keychain) from Safari, with the speed and lower memory usage of Firefox. Awesome.  
(Version 1.5)

ROB07AU  Camino 1.5 doesn't fully launch and simply crashes each time I try.

I have since reverted back to 1.0.4 and all is working normally again.  
(Version 1.5)

M85  Best browser out there, bar none. I couldn't really careless about extensions and any other bloatware. I use a separate rss reader (netnewswire - which also just got a big update today so I'm doubly happy)  
(Version 1.5)

JCRAIG  CamiSession conflicts with the built-in session-saving now included in Camino. CamiTools is no longer supported and breaks post-1.0.4 builds, which is why you had to trash prefs.js. UnifyCamino and GrowlCamino should pose no problems, make sure you have the latest versions of both.  
(Version 1.5)

JACK A.  It seems that v. 1.5 is also incompatible with all the (very useful) other plugins I've collected over the period I've been using it. The 1.1 beta works just fine with all of those,

i.e. CamiTools, CaminoSessions, UnifyCamino, GrowlCamino.

Even after removing ALL of them I still had to delete the prefs before it would even start without the bug reporter showing itself.

And then no new Window appeared and after a command-N still nothing happened.

I will be trying to get it to work over the weekend.

I was very happy with the old version. So I hope I can get it to work. Maybe the plugin-makers can post some comments here ?

Jack  
(Version 1.5)

O5220803  A superb browser. Gets better with each subsequent release! BTW, works correctly with 1Passwd Version 2.4.2 (build 4784)! Kudos to the Camino Team for continuing to produce an excellent application for the Mac: Mature, Stable, Fast and Secure! Thanks!  
(Version 1.5)

FROMAGE-HEAD  mmm

os X spellechecker?

doesn't work here.

maybe because I'm on a french system?  
(Version 1.5)

BEBDABHRHBRWEFG 3R§5Y5H4WTEDSFB  still not standards compliant [doesn't obey CSS stylings on form widgets] so i'll stick with firefox for now.  
(Version 1.5)

WIDGE34  Fantastic Browser. Faster than any other browser i've used, and believe me i've tried them all. I've been using Camino ever since it was called Chimera. Camino Devs, carry on the superb work.  
(Version 1.5)

HAL2007  Instantly crashing on launch. Never had a single issue with this browser. Used to be great. Hope this will be corrected *very* soon. :-(  
(Version 1.5)

FERVID  The best and fastest Web Browser for me, hands down!. Stable (not once has this crashed on me), feature rich and great value!. Used with Caminicon and the possibilities and endless! This new version has made Camino even better...seems faster on my machine too. Try it, you won't be disappointed.  
(Version 1.5)

FBEYE  Having same issues as previous poster : never had a problem before, but version 1.5 crashes on launch. Menubar is there, I can edit prefs and such, but no window is present. If I go to File > New window... the apps crashes instantly...  
(Version 1.5)

NPTPRCHR  I ran the previous version just fine, but for some reason, this latest version would not start, but crashed upon execution. I tried to uninstall, reboot & reinstall, etc., but still no joy.

I hope there's some way I can get it running in the future, because I really like Camino.  
(Version 1.5)

JCRAIG  This very dedicated and passionate group of volunteers have really raised the bar with this release. Already, work is being done on future versions (1.6, 2.0), but 1.5 is full of new features and functionality, and its Gecko core is as good as it gets. Excellent update!  
(Version 1.5)

MACLOVER1.1  What I'd REALLY find useful is a browser that reproduces exactly the way IE functions since our IE for Mac was left as roadkill, that way I could troubleshoot my web pages without having to go to a friend's (nope I haven't got a dual machne just yet). Becuase yes.. most popel on the planet do use IE on P so we must be compliant with it no matter what !  
(Version 1.1b1)

LAURIER  I really liked the older version of Camino; this updated version has caused me so many problems that I've had to change to another browser.

1. It kept closing on me without warning, making me lose all the tabs I was working with. You can tick the box which says reopen all tabs when you log off - but I found that only restored them some of the time.

2. I'm unable to open/compose e-mails on both my gmail and hotmail accounts. (I'm not sure why)

3. BUT The video/ad blocker works great!

My boyfriend downloaded this same version and has had none of the problems I have had. I'm not sure why.   
(Version 1.1b1)

MADMACMAD  ...still big issues with Style Sheets and Java Plugin.

Hope they fix it soon...  
(Version 1.1b1)

APGIULIANO  As good luck would have it, I use Apple Mail and Email Page Location works as intended...

I also download optimized nightly build of Camino from camino,undo.it I have never been sorry.  
(Version 1.1b1)

MOK.IN.TOUCH™  I like it coz it's very fast except the "Email Page Location" doesn't work with Thunderbird. The 'links' don't show in the Thunderbird main window.  
(Version 1.1b1)

MADMACMAD  nice try but buggy as hell & doesn't work with some Webpages !!!  
(Version 1.1b1)

M85  Hmm, thought I loved it but had two crashes today just from doing regular things very quickly - one was resizing a window using the bottom right corner. When it restored the tabs after the crash my toolbar only displayed the reload button (another restart fixed that).

But, this is a beta and I much prefer it to any alternative so I'll use it and wait for the final.  
(Version 1.1b1)

BOOKLET  A question...

One of the things that i really like about firefox is the ability to customize it with loads of add-ons (eg stumbleupon), but what i don't like is its very un mac-like appearance. Seeing as Camino, which in my humble opinion is far nicer to use, runs using the same engine, is it possible to get add-ons and stuff for it? So far I have been unable to find any :(  
(Version 1.1b1)

APGIULIANO  Oddly enough, I tried the E-mail Page Location from the main MacUpdate page as well as several other random pages from my own bookmarks, and the links showed up as intended.

I also bank with Citibank and have their Credit Cards and I have not yet seen a Citibank page render improperly. If one could be cited, (that is not seen through personal channels) it would be helpful.

Now I HAVE seen pages that FF and Camino will not render properly but Safari on Mac and IE on Win, do. Nature of the beast.

I have used Camino for a long long time and this evolution is getting as close to perfect as I could want. Once the Flash issues get ironed out (sometimes Camino chokes on Flash), and perhaps the Preference set a little more organized, Camino will be THEE Browser and set the bar. Keep up the great work.  
(Version 1.1b1)

MOK.IN.TOUCH™  It's fast, but "Email Page Location" doesn't work.

No links showing in the email.  
(Version 1.1b1)

DRG  Neither the alphas nor this beta render Citibank's web site correctly and is unuseable. Stable version 1.0.3 works great, and is my browser of choice on my MaxBook Pro (1st edition). Hope they can iron this out before 1.1 oficially is released.  
(Version 1.1b1)

JCRAIG  Camino just keeps getting better and better. Built by a very passionate group of volunteers, Camino has been adding new features requested by the community, yet it remains simple enough to use for the average user while the underlying Gecko code allows for plenty of control by the power user. Built from the same DNA as Firefox, Camino is able to handle many of the sites that Safari seems to choke on. It's nimble, integrates well with OSX, and has the backing of a very active developer community which makes it quick to respond to the needs of its users.  
(Version 1.1b1)

ATTENTIONWANDERED  shiira is still faster on my g4  
(Version 1.1b1)

M85  Love it. This beta is very stable though some of the nightlies weren't leading up to it. Be sure to search and destroy all of camisessions if you had it installed.  
(Version 1.1b1)

MACLOVER1.1  Question.. I looked all over.. no luck.. here it is.. neither Camino nor Firefox will see my flash plugin.. I did delete the :

pluginreg.dat

as advised on the Mozilla forum.. still no luck, any idea anyone ?

I've got the latest MacOS and the latest browsers and the latest Flash plugin... which works fine in all my browsers (DevonAgent, Safari, Shiira, Opera).   
(Version 1.0.3)

PAULUX  Right click in yahoo mail beta does not work. The menu opens, but does not respond.  
(Version 1.0.3)

MRHOOKS  CamiFlash helps with the Flash problem, although I'd rather not have to use it.

Unfortunately, Camino doesn't render fonts as well as Safari. It also increases the vertical dimensions of widgets, which occasionally results in part of the button/drop-down menu/whatever to get cut off.

I've also encountered a minor problem. When I use Yahoo! Mail, the column on the left with all of my folders does not render correctly. The folders appear staggered, rather than in a straight vertical column. I'm not sure how to fix this; I guess I can trash everything in ~/Library/Application Support/Camino and see if that will help.

I also have some issues with ad blocking, although at this point I'm not sure if Camino or CamiBlock is the culprit.

Oh, and self-refreshing pages cause Camino to go wonky and require a restart, if the page is left open for an extended period of time (over an hour? not sure how long exactly). The same thing happens to me when using Firefox as well, although I haven't tried the latest version.

All said, Camino is still my main browser.  
(Version 1.0.3)

CORPSECORPS  _

While there are a few additions i'd like to see, and a few glitches, the general sleekness and speed make this the browser i use 90% of the time.

It's obviously the most Mac-like browser out there next to Safari and in many ways surpasses it.

I rarely have trouble with it. Even the nightly builds tend to be very solid except on the odd occasion.

Not really thrilled with the rather boring UI graphics. Wasn't in the previous incarnation either.

Easy to use CaminIcon to install alternates; even self-styled ones.  
(Version 1.0.3)

DSL4C  I love using camino, however; it still makes heavy flash sites rather useless since flash runs slow within the browser... other than that, i give it 4 out of 5..  
(Version 1.0.3)

JB4  In the latest Firefox, downloaded yesterday, it does render.  
(Version 1.0.3)

JB4  Camino has been my 95% browser for years now.

With Rheinhold Penner's Camino Knight and Caminicon, it just looks and performs the way I want a browser to.

Recently, I've been involved in regular writing for a blog and of Camino, Firefox,Safari and Shira, only Camino renders the tools in the editing block.

Score another victory for the Camino team.

Thanks all. Keep up the good work.

JB

Ps. I read MacWorld and more and more of their editors and writers are referencing Camino as their browser of choice.  
(Version 1.0.3)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  Seems a lot more stable now. It still views flash animations rather slow and if there's a flash video on the page, the screen will tear as you're dragging the scroll bar down. Safari does this too, but it plays them faster, at least. And OmniWeb doesn't tear at all. It just works like it's supposed to.

It also still doesn't view quite a few webpages correctly, like falling text on MySpace pages. Slows the browser down to a hault.

Still a solid browser though.  
(Version 1.0.3)

NINJABOY  This is the only web browser that allows me to use email on OSX.

I've test-driven my email accounts with Hotmail and Yahoo with web browsers like Safari, Firefox, and Opera. When they don't freeze, these browsers always get very confused and refuse to do anything.

I think I'll give Camino a try as I've been sitting here for the last hour trying to send a small photo to a friend... and inly succeeded when I gave Camino a try.  
(Version 1.0.2)

BRANDON.MACUSER  OK I have officially switched from Safari to Camino. The only two (very minor) things that I miss: (1) the downloads window doesn't automatically remove downloads that have completed, and (2) the refresh button doesn't turn into a stop button while a page loads.  
(Version 1.0.2)

DSL4C  Camino doesn't like playing with flash very well. sites with heavy flash run veryyyyyy slow. still a good browser, but hasn't replaced safari completely yet..

also, what about spell checker.. that would be nice..  
(Version 1.0.2)

MRHOOKS  Great browser, although right-click saving seems to take a long time. Downloads seem to stall for a second or two after the Downloads window appears. This even happens when saving images from websites, which should be immediate since you're saving from the browser's cache, right?  
(Version 1.0.2)

DRG  I like Camino very much and it has become my preferred browser on my MacBook Pro. But there is one thing that seems to happen a lot: my bookmarks preference file seems to get corrupted from time to time and then won't load. I have to revert to a saved copy of the bookmarks.plist file and replace the corrupted file. Does this happen to anyone else? It NEVER happens when using Firefox.

Any ideas besides the usual (checking permissions etc.) to fix this?  
(Version 1.0.2)

THOTH  Great product. The best browser on OS X...._except_ for Firefox's extensions!

Now I'm sure that it's extremely difficult to support Firefox extensions in Camino's Cocoa interface. Perhaps some kind of adapter layer would do it. But bottom line, those things are really great, and frankly, while I like Camitools as much as the next guy, even the most motivated developer can't keep up with an ecosystem like Firefox's extension authors.

Perhaps a plug-in layer for Camino itself, modelled closely on Firefox's, would be a good start. That way, others can adapt the good extensions to Camino themselves.

Camino is still my first choice. But if it had Firefox's extensions, it would go from being arguably the best to being the indisputable champion of browsers.  
(Version 1.0.2)

JOLIVIERLD  I'd use it as default if it had RSS.

Other than that, 5 stars.  
(Version 1.0.2)

BOB WEINER  Camino 1.0.2 finally caused me to switch over from years of Safari use. This browser is FAST, feature-rich, and feels like a true OS X application.  
(Version 1.0.2)

THREEDEE912  It's like a hybrid of Safari and Firefox.

Made with Cocoa, Renders with Gecko.

Very stable, faster than Firefox, and it's simple to use, too. With CamiTools, it's even better.  
(Version 1.0.2)

GARYI  Give me a spell checker and give me RSS and I have a keeper, until then its useless to me (Or at least no more useful than Safari.)  
(Version 1.0.2)

PSLIEBER  Akin to most Mac users, I remain confounded at the absence of a single browser that can do everything well and consistently (handle javascripting, secure scripts, Flash, page formatting, block pop-ups, password management, scripting, speed, etc.).

I love the customization of Opera, compatibility of Safari, speed of Shiira, rendering of Firefox, robustness of Mozilla, no frills of iCab. I do not, however, enjoy the need to consistently have 2 browsers open to compensate for flaws inherent in each of these offerings.

While Camino is far from perfect, I keep finding it back in my dock as the default browser. Combined with CamiTools, 1.0.2 remains -- in my humble opinion -- arguably the most stable, reliable Mac browser on the market.

Yes, it does suffer from 'beach ball' purgatory on occasion, but a nice respite from the endless reading of Crash Reporter logs and wrongly formatted pages with corrupt roll-over menus.  
(Version 1.0.2)

MOK.IN.TOUCH™  I've been using Camino over any other browser for the longest time. I never touch the "Nightly Build".

Version 1.0.1? I've tried it and trashed it. Lots of bugs and slower than v1.0.b1

I'm glad that I kept all versions. Reinstalled 1.0.b1 and everything's working right again even it's supposed to be beta. Doublted I would ever update to any other version since 1.0.1 is so crappy.

Don't update to 1.0.1 if you don't have to. If you are still using 1.0.b1 (beta version), you are in luck. Stay with it.  
(Version 1.0.1)

SHIRLEY MCKAY  I am happily using comino 1.0.1 on my powerbook G3 400[OS 10.3.9 768MB ram], but when I downloaded it to my daughter's ibook G3 800 [OS 10.2.8 640MB ram], and clicked on dmg I got a "cannot instal-system incompatible" message.

Tried twice in case download was corrupt, but same message. Any idea why?

Thanks, s.mcKay  
(Version 1.0.1)

THEOREN  I've decided to stop using this platform until the gratuitous "popup block notification" marquee which was added to 1.0.1 is removed. (Why it was ever implemented in the first place remains a mystery to me, can't find comment on it anywhere on the Camino forum.) Under 10.3.9, the redraw caused by the marquee forces my vertical arrows out of the window! Makes the browser more trouble than it's worth on dozens of high-traffic sites (eg. NYT, ESPN, WashPost). Poor show.   
(Version 1.0.1)