BRUCEG  Does not launch on G4 Mac with Dual 1.25Ghz CPU. Could this be Intel Only even though the Bare Bones says it is Universal?  
(Version 9.2)

MR650  It's good but....

After numerous paid upgrades without feeling resentment towards Bare Bones for separating me from my money, I am finally beginning to feel that BBEdit has entered the realm of Roxio and is slowly creeping toward Stuffitville.

The number one reason I would not recommend upgrading to this version is that suffers from a painfully slow launch time. Should Pages and Word open faster than BBEdit? Applications that would never live in my Dock are now edging out BBEdit based on initial and subsequent launch times. On a 2.53 MBP BBEdit takes about as much time to open as it takes to launch Open Office and start a new text document from the project gallery.

The startup speed is dreadful.

I think the delay is such an issue that the use of the term was forbidden in the preferences, so instead of determining the behavior of new windows on launch in a menu called 'startup', one has to choose 'Application' from the twenty-three (23) different preference groupings. If you thought things were getting complicated when the Philip Bar went away, take a quick look at the prefs and the number of menus items that run along the top of your screen when you open this application. It feels like a 3D application that has every function under the sun added to it without using any 'room' metaphors ( very cluttered).

Considering this is the same company that markets Yojimbo, I am perplexed by the lack of organization. Merging those applications would make the price a great value and solve the entire 'barely made it past OS 9' look.

There are a lot of cosmetic issues and performance problems that I could pick away at all day, but in the end BBEdit is an indispensable tool. If you do not own this product, then it is well worth evaluating. If you own a previous version consider holding off until there are substantial improvements.

  
(Version 9.1)

BLUESTAR  It has got to be the worst FTP implementation ever. Cryptic numbers, no folders, if I double click on a file it doesn't open, if I double click on a folder (which looks like a file but I know it's a folder) it doesn't open. What gives guys - this is god awful stuff!  
(Version 9.1)

SAMPLER  Although the new non-modal Find Window is welcome, it also represents a regression.

If you specify the "Search in" area to be to the End of the document, "Find All" and "Replace All" operate on all instances of the "Find" text, not just on those after the insertion point.

You can "Replace to End", but only with a menu item. There is no way to "Find to End".

Complaints on the BBEdit Google Group about the new find window have essentially met with the responses "That's the way we designed it" and "If you don't like it, just use the modal window."

  
(Version 9.1)

DONMONTALVO  Very solid update. Fixes our FTP issues. You guys rock. Adobe and Quark can learn from you guys. :)

Don Montalvo, NYC  
(Version 9.1)

STORMCHILD  Guys, this isn't a forum. If you're not going to talk about BBEdit itself, take it somewhere else, FFS.  
(Version 9.0.1)

IERIKA  Correction on my comment below. The slowness I'm experiencing is just the auto-delay. It can be adjusted.  
(Version 9.0)

IERIKA  I don't like BBEdit's autocompletion. It's somewhat slow. And it seems like it doesnt support autocompletion for html tags which I use most of the time. I prefer Coda's autocompletion and Dreamweaver's.  
(Version 9.0)

HELMO HASS  Disappointed!!!

Strangely this release for the very fist time makes me regrets the previous version..

In this one the most useul feature i was used to.. is buggy.. compare files dont work.. the search window has been reduced loosing many important (to me) features and i cant understand why.. normally upgrading from a version to another gives more functionalities not the apposite..

its my copy buggy?? lol nope i'd like, but i dont think so..

Thx BB but i'll stick to 8.7..  
(Version 9.0)

DANA SUTTON  BBEdit is a great program. It is also an expensive one. Am I the only person who mourns the passing of BBEdit Light, which was quite sufficient for my purposes?  
(Version 9.0)

BONSAIX  This really is an excellent program.

I'd go as far as to say that it's the most powerful text editor out there for the Mac.   
(Version 8.7.2)

TOADLING  TextMate has a very vocal following. I was convinced to try TextMate on a project for a few months last year and I grew to like it. I even bought a license.

But after extensive comparisons, I ultimately returned to BBEdit and concluded that it is still the better tool. I haven't seriously used TextMate since.

First of all, BBEdit follows long-standing Mac paradigms: text dragged onto BBEdit's icon opens in a new window, events trigger on mouse up rather than mouse down, renamed open files are automatically updated, text selection feels more natural, undo is chunked rather than performed on each individual character, etc.

Second, BBEdit provides several features that are amazingly absent in TextMate: split window editing, tabbed editing OUTSIDE of a project, multi-file search and replace OUTSIDE of a project, ability to open very large files (>250MB) and function reliably, spell checking by right-clicking on a word, single click selection of multiple lines, ability to assign a key combination to just about anything, complete AppleScript support (so the application itself can be scripted not just the text in a document), GUI file comparison showing character-level differences, synchronized scrolling between multiple windows, optional display of all non-printing characters, optional display of tab stops, search for the current selection with a single key press, double-click to balance, named markers (a.k.a. bookmarks), ability to jump to previous insertion points, Text Factories, etc.

And third, BBEdit's implementation of key features is often superior to TextMate's: code folding triggers on mouse up rather than mouse down, opening and closing fold markers are easier to distinguish, BBEdit allows multiple arbitrary folds on the SAME line (useful for very long lines of code), folded blocks can be selected/copied/pasted/dragged, clippings auto-completion is easier to use and doesn't require remembering obscure strings coupled with a tab to complete, BBEdit's tabbed-editing makes it easier to work with more open documents (easily handles 40 or more) and with longer filenames because "tabs" are displayed vertically rather than horizontally, tabbed documents can be dragged between multiple windows, ALL unused features can be turned off (resulting in an interface I personally find less cluttered and easier to navigate), BBEdit's File Groups makes it easier to work with multiple projects simultaneously because they are displayed in separate windows, more fully-featured grep search/replace, visual feedback when looping on a quick search, line numbers are NOT part of the text view and don't scroll out of view when scrolling horizontally, a better organized and more fully-featured function menu, BBAutoComplete (a free BBEdit plug-in) allows arbitrary word completion based on text in the current document or in all open documents or from the system's spelling dictionary, etc.

Of course, TextMate has a few nice features: more control over syntax coloring and style, excellent scope system, slightly nicer column editing. But I can easily live without those considering all the advantages of BBEdit.

The bottom line is TextMate is a nice editor and it's less expensive than BBEdit, but it's also significantly less capable. If I used TextMate, I'd still need BBEdit to have all the capabilities I want. However, I could easily live entirely in BBEdit and never even miss TextMate. If you make your living writing code or working with text, and you want the best tool available on the Mac platform, the choice is clear: BBEdit.  
(Version 8.7)

JMCCLOUD  BBEdit is an essential part of my toolkit and has been for years. It is a well thought out, well written, rock solid program with excellent support.

I have and use TextMate too but man that is a wacky program. The only thing it has going for it it's excellent auto completion and text insertion functions. The rest of the app is just wacky. It does not adhere to Mac conventions at all. But the auto complete/text insertion is *so* good I can forgive it's major short comings.

I really hope Barebones adds support similar to TextMate to the next version. Clippings just don't cut it!  
(Version 8.6.2)

GUNTIS  I just switched to Panic's Coda. First impressions very good so far. That's exactly what I've been looking for!

Bet regarding BBEdit - it's good to have FTP built in anyway - if I need to make some changes in the web page, I can fire up BBEdit and do that, no other app required...

But now it's eclipsed by Coda :)

More stuff and cheaper.  
(Version 8.6.2)

GEORGEDONNELLY  BBEdit was my mainstay for years until I checked out Textmate. I bought BBEdit 8 or 8.2 anyway and was giving it another look when i noticed 8.6 was out. Cool. Wait! They want $30 to upgrade from 8.2 to 8.6?!

I don't who is paying so much for such a minor upgrade, but its not going to be me. BBEdit is off of my radar again for quite some time.  
(Version 8.6.2)

ERICOB  One word (maybe two) -- check out TextMate first.  
(Version 8.6)

AIKOUSHA  This is one of four tools that I find avsolutely necessary for web-design. I have only started in the last couple of months, but ever since TextEdit started interpreting code instead of allowing editing of HTML/XHTML, I've had to use another editor. And I'm glad I did.

However, I currently am using the 8.5 version at college, and we have to have the serial number taped on the monitor and stuck as a folder name on the desktop, because, everytime you open a second document (after a session the serial wasn't entered at startup), it closes everything and tells you that the program has expired. You then have to enter the serial number again, wherein the program works fine until it is later quit.

This is pretty damn annoying and hardly inspires me to purchase a working copy of my own.

Is this fixed in the October update?  
(Version 8.5.1)

MARUKO DRINKING TEAM  TextMate has lit a fire under these guys. After not keeping up with Mac OS X over the past years, BBEdit is starting to feel like a live product again, rather than a legacy cash cow being milked for whatever profits it will squirt out without substantial improvements.

BBEdit is a solid editor, but it was dominant for so long that it didn't need to try too hard. Then TextMate came along and really trounced BBEdit in terms of Mac-ness (which is ironic, since BBEdit and the Mac go way way back). For example, BBEdit still uses application-modal dialogs! Stuck in the nineties there guys?? Ever heard of this little thing called SHEETS, where the whole app doesn't have to lock up for details that affect only one document??

At the same time, BBEdit does have a ton of features, and now that they have started copying TextMate, BBEdit is shining brighter than it has in recent years. With text folding, spellchecking of strings inside source code, etc., it's starting to catch back up with modern times.

The final thing is that BBEdit is ROCK SOLID STABLE in my experience. Hasn't crashed on me in YEARS. That is always a plus. BBEdit is certainly one of the top editors, but its legacy clunkiness in some are still prevents it from being a five star app.  
(Version 8.5.1)

GORBIN46  This version of BBEdit is slow. Keys are slow to respond. It's getting really bloated. It's still a great program but I liked it better when it was Bare Bones!  
(Version 8.5)

DETLEVSKI  Ever since I have updated to 8.5 I have to enter my FTP password over and over again

for :

1. connecting to the FTP server

2. saving each individual file back to the server.

This of course is a very bad thing ....

Has anyone else encountered this issue ?  
(Version 8.5)

RMP  I work with xhtml and css only, and have been using BBEdit as my main editor for many years now. I've tried others Jedit, Textmate etc... But i always come back to BB. It does what i want when i want it and the new feature set is well worth the $30.00 upgrade.   
(Version 8.5)

RADD  Performance with just typing in large documents seems abysmally bad compared to the last version... this on a dual 2ghz G5.

Not sure if it's just me, but so far I'm not impressed in the least. Some nice features sure, but what good are they if typing is impaired?

Try the demo before you buy the upgrade... you've got 30 days to see if your mileage varies.  
(Version 8.5)

LORIN RIVERS  BBEdit keeps getting better and better. Don't listen to the TextMate fanboys...

In this release, there's code folding, improved compare, and tons of improvements all over the place. Well worth the upgrade and now even more reasonably priced!  
(Version 8.5)

MOOFTHESTOOF  Still the best code editor out there. The new "folding tags" is something I've been waiting for from BBEdit for awhile. Great to finally have it. It's pricey if you buy it new, but is a steal at $30 for the upgrade.  
(Version 8.5)

MRANDRE1  Textmate Textmate Textmate.

People actually still ues BBEdit? Really?  
(Version 8.5)

DARUKARU  Only naive people pay the full $200 for BBEdit. All you have to do is "crossgrade" from the free TextWrangler (which itself is more than capable for most people) and your price is cut in half.

Or if you're really cheap you can learn to use emacs, but why would anyone ever want to do a thing like that.  
(Version 8.2.6)

CORVUS32  $200?! Hello! This is the 21st century calling. Anybody home?

And by the way TextMate fans, $45 for your poster child is equally ridiculous.  
(Version 8.2.5)

MACONNECT  Great tool, the only one I know that opens a 60MB ASM file instantly. Other application that use cocoa interface take forever to load such a big file.  
(Version 8.2.5)

TTLCNTRLPRINT  Fantastic text editor with simply the best search function available - GREP.

totalcontrolprint  
(Version 8.2.5)

MPS  I've used BBEdit to design web pages and do extensive text editing. It was a great app... until TextMate came along.

Sure, most are probably more comfortable with BBEdit's interface, but the features and Cocoa-y goodness of Textmate have it beat, and that's without even mentioning the $40 TxtMt costs.

Good luck, Bare Bones. You're going to need it.  
(Version 8.2.4)

MACDOC  Just looked at Text mate. Pales in comparrison. No pallettes for web development. Not even any libraries for any type of coding. What's so great about TextMate? I'll stick with the tried and true, BBEdit.  
(Version 8.2.4)

ANONYMOUS  Try TextMate  
(Version 8.2.4)

JUAN FALGUERAS CANO  Try AlphaX  
(Version 8.2.4)

ANONYMOUS  I actually own BBEdit, I used to recommend it to everyone, I never thought the price was a problem because that's the one program I used to use more than Photoshop.

But it's aging, and it shows more and more with each update.

Because of that, one day, I tried TextMate... and literally never reopened BBEdit (and wasted $180... ho well...).

I never thought I'd switch, after spending the cash on BBEdit... but TextMate is that good.

subethaedit and jEdit are cute compared to TextMate.  
(Version 8.2.4)

TNH  I'll try any editor one, but I've been using BBEdit for years. It still doesn't suck. As some posters have pointed out, the price can be around 130 dollars w/ some upgrades to 180. You can wait for some 'not at the show' deals and jump on those if you want to save 10 bucks on a version upgrade. So far the only promising competitors are jEdit (the java one not the japanese one or whatever) and subethaedit (aka hydra). jEdit is just not their in the current version, subetha has promise and is a Universal Binary UB. Now BBEdit is joining that fight. The best thing about this new version is that it works as a UB. So whatever money you may have spent on BBEdit, at least you SHOULDN'T (unless barebones goes psycho) have to spend again when you transition.  
(Version 8.2.3)

HYPERIZER  I just upgraded from 7 and I really like the new documents drawer. The Text Factory (gear) menu can be disabled in the prefs. I like all the interface changes as well.  
(Version 8.2.2)

ANONYMOUS  $180 bucks for a text editor?!

It's nice, but for that much it should make coffee, attend meetings and take notes, and keep my printer topped up with paper.  
(Version 8.2.1)

ANONYMOUS  This version sticks an ugly BBEdit gear logo right in the middle of the menu bar. This menu is distracting and can't be disabled. It must be a marketing concept or something. 8.0 is much nicer.  
(Version 8.2.1)

ANONYMOUS  "I'll take GoLive or Dreamweaver just for the sheer speed of development"

man if that's what you call speed I don't wanna get stuck behind you in traffic lol  
(Version 8.2.1)

PHRIPLEY  I've used BBEdit since version 4 and I love it.

BBEdit 8.2 was really sluggish for me tho (which for a text editor is pretty bad). 8.2.1 brings it back up to expected speed.  
(Version 8.2.1)

ANONYMOUS  I dont care how many languages this thing supports, there's no way I'm paying $180.00 for a TEXT EDITOR. Smultron does everything I need for plain text / code and as bloated as it is if I'm paying that much money, I'll take GoLive or Dreamweaver just for the sheer speed of development.

I've been hearing about BBEdit for years, but never bothered to look into it until now. "Overpriced" would be a laughable understatement.  
(Version 8.2)

TNH  The first thing I think people should consider is using the updater instead of the demo (listed below the BBEdit description). Secondly I think taking a look at the release notes is very enlightening.

8.2 supports automator actions, makes keychain use compulsory for certain passwords, and brings a host of updates and fixes to version 8.

I have been using the full version of this product since the day dreamweaver came out. For a review I would call this the most full featured text editor available and more. The module system for syntax highlighting and prototyping is exceptional. The conectivety is great. While Bonjour/Rendezvous or IP collaboration isn't a primary focus of this application, it supports most other collaborative or versioning systems. Unless you need to see your name next to your text while someone else is remotely typing on your screen; the conectivety is complete. regex/grep and regular search/find are supported in an easy to use dialog system and a general shift over versions has placed menus and commands in more logical places.

This product has always had a large HTML tool section and it is, as always, unobtrusive and filled with many useful tools. It's not textedit on steroids because the basis of the application is full features ease of use without roid rage where you have a few powerful features and some features that are not close to being useful or working. It's also not dreamweaver reduced. The environment isn't a pseudo graphical drag and drop server oriented product. The environment is that of a multipurpose text editor. The drawers/sliders in v 8 are a great bonus. Drop down button menus for functions and formatting are fast and function recognition is great.

There are only about 2 things that I find detract from 'ease of use'. The first being the visibility of the edge bar, It may just be a case of nostalgia because the philips bar seemed better. The second is the opening, saving, and closing formats. If you don't know what you are doing w/ text encodings or you don't know what someone gave you, then you may need to re-import/re-open or use one of the text tools to get line wrap/formatting the way you want to work with it. A dialog for when an encoding isn't your default working one when a file is opened wouldn't be half bad, but I've become accustomed to the way it works and don't have many problems with it. This may even be changed in the latest update. One thing I will say is that the point (.) updates and the full ones add without detracting and don't take a long period of time to become accustomed to.

The value of this product is, if one looks at other posts, debateable. It does cost a lot of money to get into (this is why you register textwrangler or whatever other 'first one's free tell your friends' product there is for a discount). Upgrade pricing relative to the cost of ownership is not competitive with upgrade pricing from other vendors in different areas of the market. Unfortunately, this trend in the other market sector may change due to certain acquisitions. I actually waited for macworld to buy my last upgrade just to get a little more shaved off of the top.

Stability is great. Launch time could use a little optimization, but I haven't tried it in tiger so I can't fully address that. I would hope that the later versions will launch as quickly as earlier versions. Having mentioned launch time, it is worth considering that a) the product is all you need for numerous things, and b) conservative as far as resources are concerned.

Support is not a rated category, but I think this should be considered for BBEdit. The talk list are full of helpful people and relevant information. BareBones provides timely responses. FAQ's are easilly available and quite useful documentation. The application help system (apples help UI) is extremely comprehensive and includes a reasonbly good grep reference. Much like the earlier versions of fireworks or dreamweaver, the BBEdit help system is not just help, but also a learning tool.

Even if you think you have little use for this application, you will most likely find yourself marveling over its flexibility and using it to do things you never thought possible or spent hours doing in different ways.  
(Version 8.2)

ANONYMOUS  I've been a BBEdit user since the beginning (2.1.2) and I've paid for the last 2 paid BBEdit upgrades mostly out of habit. I hardly ever use it anymore, as there are better and cheaper alternatives available for virtually anything you can do with BBEdit.  
(Version 8.2)

ASHER  Bang vs. Buck... SKEdit has my vote all the way. $20, nice interface, easily handles editing for any web code. Not an alternative, the only decent choice.  
(Version 8.2)

ANONYMOUS  Has a lot of features, but has a dated feel & isn't terrible intuitive. I don't know if it's a stripped down Dreamweaver or a beefed up TextEdit. For my uses (HTML, PHP editing), SubEthaEdit works better.   
(Version 8.1)

CLYTIE SIDDALL  It is very expensive, but it's still the only fully-featured html editor for Mac OSX with full Unicode support (despite being a Carbon program). I need Unicode.

It's also a magnificently powerful program, which has always made good use of the system software base. The interface has improved a lot: the document drawer, FTP browser, diff display and live local html preview are major time-savers. It still has a long way to go before it'll be a true, intuitive Mac interface (the kind you don't notice, it's so good: e.g. NewsFire), but it's always been best of breed for sheer performance and power.

Clytie Siddall  
(Version 8.1)

ANONYMOUS  i agree with the price complaints...if it ever goes down to $129 or so again, i'll buy. until then, i'm going with another alternative  
(Version 8.1)

ANONYMOUS  This software is too expensive. Ehi, it's a text editor!  
(Version 8.1)

ANONYMOUS  Another superb update.   
(Version 8.1)

ANONYMOUS  Hey Bruno, why not stick to ver. 7? That's what I did. 8 is definitely a step in the wrong direction.  
(Version 8.1)

ANONYMOUS  Who in their right minds would pay that much for a text editor?  
(Version 8.1)

BRUNOUSESBBEDIT  I'm actually looking to replace BBEdit. I used to love it, but then the developer decided to remove features that have been there since Ver 5 when updating from Ver 7 to Ver 8. I've begged the developer to reinstate the features, but he claims he wants BBEdit to work more like other editors for the Mac. So instead of paying $80 to upgrade for the 5th time... I'm looking for one of those other apps that he mentions.

Loyal no more.

I have been evangelizing BBEdit for years. I have SUCCESSFULLY used it as an argument for the single reason for my development colleagues to switch to PowerBooks as a dev platform. I proudly use their product name in my screen name on ever forum I use. Google it. 789 occurrences to date!

http://www.google.com/search?q=BrunoUsesBBEdit

But the developer has decided the he now wants to charge for an upgrade that downgrades the functionality to be more like other text editors. THE EDITORS THAT HIS FAITHFUL CUSTOMERS HAVE REJECTED! I want to give you my money! I'd pay for the upgrade if all you had done was change the logo. If I had downloaded the demo and there was no noticeable change in functionality, but it look cooler, I'd have bought it just to stay up to date. That what loyal customers do.

But when I download a demo and find that it stopped meeting needs that were met by the prior versions... And then when I email you about it, you say you want it to work like other text editors... It makes me crazy!  
(Version 8.0.3)

KRANKY KONG  Bare Bones should have started working on a Yellow Box BBEdit back in '97 when everyone wanted one, instead of saying Blue Box was good enough.

Now their days are numbered.  
(Version 8.0.3)

ANONYMOUS  If you want a cheap fast general purpose editor built for OS X with many requested productivity features that still hasn't made it to BBEdit (tabs, recordable macros, folding of code blocks, etc.) then I recommend checking out TextMate!

I've been using BBEdit since 1996, after 3 days with TextMate, I haven't used it since!

This really is THE editor for OS X! Something that PC owners will soon envy us! :)  
(Version 8.0.3)

ANONYMOUS  By Jerry Cederquist, Tucson Macintosh Users Group member

Professional-level HTML and Text Editor

Requires Mac OS X 10.3.5 or higher.

List price: $199. Upgrades from previous versions available; see web site.

BBEdit has an excellent design and a feature set that is optimized for creating web sites using HTML and for creating computer programs. I use it for maintaining the Tucson Macintosh Users Group web site. The price of BBEdit is high for a "text editor" (after all, TextEdit is free), but for people in its target market, the price is justified by the the high productivity these programmers can achieve using BBEdit.

For less demanding requirements, have a look at TextWrangler, also by Barebones. See the Barebones web site for a thorough comparison of these two editors and a predecessor of Textwrangler called BBEdit Lite.

Bottom line: All the Barebones text editors are recommended; make your choice based on the features you need for the price you want to pay. A comparison chart is available at   
(Version 8.0.2)

TRAVIS HEPPE  bbedit is great. it has all of the features I was looking for for, in my case, editing source code. I especially like the way it integrates with CVS and even handles conflict resolution. I am coming from MS Visual C++ and I haven't found one feature from that editor

The integration with XCode could be a little better, in that it would be nice to a) use the bbedit window for the debugger; and b) be able to jump to the line of a build error. To the best of my knowledge, though no other tool can do that either.  
(Version 8.0.2)

ANONYMOUS  I've been a BBEdit user since the System 7 days, but I barely use it anymore. Its gotten too big, slow and HTML focussed. I use (and have paid for) SubEthaEdit now.  
(Version 8.0.2)

JJ  Some of the new features are nice but its too buggy for production use - I'm sticking with ver 7 for now.  
(Version 8.0.2)

BUTTRIX  Would some kind soul please put this over-stuffed monster out of its misery?

BBEdit redefines feeping creaturitis.  
(Version 8.0.2)

ANONYMOUS  what kind of software company releases something that needs to be updated 2x in as many weeks?

is bb a part of microsoft?  
(Version 8.0.2)

SIMON  Great works B&B, this is for me the best text editor availabe in ANY plateforme !

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED !!!!!  
(Version 8.0.1)

ANONYMOUS  I almost fell off my chair What a RIOT! These reviews are HYSTERICAL! To summarize:

One vote that the update is BS because the icon sucks. Good thing you didn't see the new boxed version; the shrinkwrap is different.

Then we get to witness a user become not only enlightened, but then actually dispense wisdom: BS update because, err, it's too soon. Ohhh, I get it. Ditch my v8 and go back to v7 instead of doing to v8.1 update. That's progress!

Man, I am glad that we have you brave souls providing such profound insight and valuable commentary.  
(Version 8.0.1)

ANONYMOUS  Bleh. I liked the old icon better. Oh, and it may be world's best text editor, but don't you dare call it an HTML editor if it can't do WYSIWYG!  
(Version 8.0.1)

TOM K.  An impressive update. Thanks, Bare Bones.  
(Version 8.0.1)

ERESMUYTONTO  Oh, so you're upset that BareBones is doing their job by updating their software from version 8.0 to 8.0.1 so quickly? You're out of your mind.

And if staying with version 7.x.x is such a fine idea, why did you post a five-star review just now for version 8.0.1 which you obviously have not had a chance to try? You're totally clueless.  
(Version 8.0.1)

ANONYMOUS   I just received an email that my BBedit 8 is shipping and now they release an 8.0.1 ???

I am beginning to think that staying with 7.x is a wise decision.  
(Version 8.0.1)

ANONYMOUS  Another reason it doesn't suck" they listen to their customers. New to version is the ability to antialias text of ANY size (user's choice). So now I can use ProFont 9pt as I do in SubEthaEdit, for a nice clean display.

I was a bit disappointed that still no option for code folding or code completion (a la Homesite). I hope a 8.5 or 9.0 has this.

And RTFM, you can put the drawer on the left: just like in Apple Mail, move the window to the right side of the monitor before opening the drawer. It the opens on the left & stays that way.  
(Version 8.0.1)

SCHMELDING  I agree with Anonymous below. This sux and 7 stays.  
(Version 8.0.1)

DOMINIQUE PERETTI  This is a big disappointment:

No Code folding, no code sensing, no decent code hinting, no subversion support, non ergonomic drawer (I want it on the left) whose items can't be reordered, buggy PHP code highlighting (try to display the Smarty php class).

Competition on PC is far ahead and this is sad.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  I would not install 8.0 if you paid me to download it.

Read the information on the saved state data no longer being in the resource fork, being path sensitive (move the file and it's lost), and only lasting for 14 days before it expires.

Who is pulling strings at BareBones these days? This is attrocious!

I'm staying with 7 until they correct this.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  Kinda disappointing update...

If it was a 7.5 or something it would be ok, but 8.0? Don't know about that... Maybe if you code in Python or whatever, the new features are cool, but for HTML, I would have like simple improvements like a decent system based HTML color picker, better CSS shortcuts, unicodechecker-like functionality, etc...

My main problem is the SPEED. You probably don't feel it on a DP G5, but on an old G4 450MHz, it's clearly slower on medium size scripts... I understand my hardware's outdated for 3D rendering, but It's a text editor for Pete's sake!

The drawer-multiple file thing is VERY cool but it has focusing issues...

Overall nice, but I expected way more from a full number update...  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  Worthwhile update. Glad to see some of the sorely-needed UI work is getting done.  
(Version 8.0)

CODER MCJONES  For everybody who is so interested in code completion you might try Dreamweaver... BBEdit has more than enough features to help write code. Besides, completion actually slows down fast typists. It isn't worth the processor overhead, in my opinion.  
(Version 8.0)

TODD  Excellent update to this already superb program.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  really great....

Perforce!!!! pffff...subversion is way better than perforce or anything else...  
(Version 8.0)

RICHARD TAYTOR  In the past, I used Alpha with its superior WWW development tools. Alpha also has other powerful features which BBEdit would certainly benefit from. Unfortunately, Alpha has its own problems which caused me to switch to BBEdit as my primary editor; however, I continue to track Alpha's development and I suggest that others (BBEdit developers in particular) look at it as well (for new ideas if nothing else). In any case, BBEdit is good and getting better; I just wish its utility would increase at least as fast as its version number.  
(Version 8.0)

HOBY  Another whole version number and no code completion? No code folding?  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  Comparing BBEdit to SubEthaEdit or Smultron (both great applications) or even DW (crappy application) is just sheer ignorance.

I use BBEdit mostly for XHTML and PHP and it's an amazing time saver. I gave it 5 star for "ease of use" because the reason why it's hard to use this app at its full potential is not because of the way it's set-up but because of the amount of features packed in there.

At $179, it is indeed a still ;-)

This new version is not as stable as the previous ones though but I'm sure an update will come soon - those guys never stop coding :)  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  Liese,

There are free text editore, BBEdit as a free version that is probably good enough for most people. Also check out Nvu.

Nvu is a standalone 'WYSIWYG' (WhatYouSeeIsWhatYouGet) HTML editor based on Gecko, Mozilla's rendering engine.

As far as BBEdit goes, I have 8 web sites that I manage. I still use 6.5.2 because it does what I need. If BBEdit isn't what you need, use something else. But the crybabies on here that just seem to bitch and whine to see their posts are simply pathetic.

That being said, 5 stars all the way across, just because.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  over priced.

Smultron or SunBathEdit are free and O.S.

if you are intelligent you shouldn't download and use this program.

in my opinion BBEdit is a steal.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  I love all this pointless griping about price. Sure, there are free or almost-free alternatives for writing basic html out there. But for those of us who spend all day in a text editor, not just for html but for C++, Java, etc. BBEdit is invaluable.

The improvements in version 8 are nice, but I admit to being a little disappointed. I would've liked some sort of code completion, a la skEdit. The basic process of writing code in BBE remains largely unchanged.

The only notable improvements are the ability to preview PHP and other dynamic pages.

Still, I forked over my $49. I can't do my job without BBEdit; it's been a staple for me since version 3.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  $49 for the upgrade? A bit much, you think? Oh well, I've basically switched to SubEthaEdit at this point, so I'll pass.  
(Version 8.0)

ANONYMOUS  179$ when something like subethaedit is free....hum....over priced!!!!!!  
(Version 8.0)

LIESE  Not living in the Mac world much, I'm kind of stumped in solving a simple problem.

Do I recommend to my Mac-bound, very intelligent but "non-programmer" client shell out $179.99 so he can edit his HTML "ezine" every other week and upload it to his website?

The cheaper solutions require more "under the hood" operations, but I'm not sure BBedit actually insulates him from that either. (Of course, Dreamweaver is supposed to make all of this easy at $399.)  
(Version 7.1.3)

ANONYMOUS  Very good but $179 is ridiculous.  
(Version 7.1.3)

HATEFUL_PRIDE  I   
(Version 7.1.2)

ANONYMOUS  Great App. Use it all the time.  
(Version 7.1.2)

ANONYMOUS  I haven't used BBEdit much but I like it. However I believe till Emacs is there, no other editor can be as powerful and convenient than that. coupled with shell funtion, ftp and telnet, dynamic expansion, mail ability make it best.

If I had to do word processing, I would rather use Lyx which is the industrial standard. $179 doesn't justifies the price to me.

For simple editing subethaedit OK.

SS  
(Version 7.1.2)

MADRA  crashes for me when trying to use 'change case' function under panther.  
(Version 7.1)

ANONYMOUS  Another good one for Windows is EmEditor. I downloaded this one to use in Class. Plugin architecture and free for academic users.

BBEdit is very heavily featured but also very bloated. I will never use half of it's features so I prefer SubEthaEdit on the Mac which I think is better for xhtml.  
(Version 7.1)

WHYTOI  It just got faster under OS X 10.3. Blazingly fast with this update. Good job!  
(Version 7.1)

MACBOY4ALL  Yes BBEdit is first of all a text editor. The very best to write manuscripts, and edit the text. Styling the text for output, in a word processor doesn´t need to be done before the final stage. Also very good search and replace functions, to mention a few.

- But it´s also the best html coding application. And it is also a very good appl for the program developer´s coding work, i have read!

- On top of that, you can open almost any file to watch the codes (for applications) and for tweaking and customizing .plist files.

- Of course it also opens any file, which comes handy when one get´s the odd unknown text file. It opens them all, although with some styled text code in addition to the content text.

re: chris01

Since i do some testing, and setting up PCs for friends, i have greatly missed a BBEdit like appl in the PC world.

- Great news to you! I´ve found two pretty good text editors for PC :-) Both handles multi files, in an own section of the appl window.

- "TextPad 4.7": Whether as a replacement for Notepad, html coding, java developing and a programming IDE. This have the friendliest user interface

- "UltraEdit-32 v10": A more advanced text editor, that does what TextPad does, and also Perl and other program developing. In addition it is also a good hex editor.  
(Version 7.0.4)

DON, NYC  BBEdit is a must have in any serious web coder's tool chest. BBEdit isn't a WYSIWYG editor, although you can 'preview' the documents at the click of a button. It's the best text editor ever created for web developers. This is NOT a 'word processor'...it IS a 'text editor'...the best that ever was.

Instead of shoehorning features (like Microsoft does), Bare Bones takes the FileMaker route...they keep making it smoother...faster...better...which is what good software is supposed to be.

Bare Bones doesn't need me to talk them up. Take a poll. Ask all the web folks you know. Let them tell you.

Don, NYC  
(Version 7.0.4)

CHRIS01  BBEdit is simply the best. I use it daily and couldn't live with it anymore. It is also the software I miss the most if I have to work on a Windows system. There just isn't anything similar to BBEdit!  
(Version 7.0.4)

ANONYMOUS  I feel I should point out that something does not have to be WYSIWYG to be an html editor. If it is been built for coding HTML then yes it is an HTML editor.  
(Version 7.0.4)

M.E.  Best of breed.

It's been there since... feels like forever. And still these guys manage to tweak even more perfection out of it. The HTML features alone are probably worth the price but it is also a text editing workhorse that puts some word processors to shame.

I registered!  
(Version 7.0.3)

DAVIDCRICKETT  And as I can't find Pagespinner here on MacUpdate (must be a mistake) here is the url:

http://www.optima-system.com/pagespinner/  
(Version 7.0.1)

DAVIDCRICKETT  Get Pagespinner, it supports iso and is much better and the task of making websites.  
(Version 7.0.1)

CLARUS  Are you guys kidding me? If it does not have WYSIWYG capability, it is -not- a HTML editor, just a friggin text editor! A good one, sure, but no more than that.  
(Version 7.0.1)

ANONYMOUS  Maybe it's good for Usonian ASCII programmers, but for making Unicode web pages, it's more or less worthless. Still can't set a font for Unicode, so I get boxes of various kinds. Doesn't validate correctly (says "dir" is not allowed in in XHTML 1.1, and that is not allowed within ). Doesn't recognize Unicode class names in CSS. Download http://www.student.lu.se/~kin02ndo/ and check it out in BBEdit... Carbon really sucks.  
(Version 7.0)

ANONYMOUS  Maybe it's good for Usonian ASCII programmers, but for making Unicode web pages, it's more or less worthless. Still can't set a font for Unicode, so I get boxes of various kinds. Doesn't validate correctly (says "dir" is not allowed in in XHTML 1.1, and that is not allowed within ). Doesn't recognize Unicode class names in CSS. Download http://www.student-lu.se/~kin02ndo/ and check it out in BBEdit... Carbon really sucks.  
(Version 7.0)

IRNBRU001  One of the best Mac programs out there. Easy to use. Lots of features. EXPENSIVE.  
(Version 6.5)

ANONYMOUS  It just doesn't get any better!  
(Version 6.5)

ANONYMOUS  Ripoff!! I purchased 6.1 at full price in July. Three months later (!!!) they're telling me that I have to cough up another $39 for the upgrade. Give me a break! Don't buy if you're expecting any kind of upgrade support!  
(Version 6.5)

MARTIJN VAN EXEL  Dave, your prayers have been answered. The soft-wrapping line numbering issue is resolved, and many very nice features have been added or enhanced. I use the 'Load From FTP server' and 'Save To FTP server' regularly for updating and testing CGI scripts, and now you can change the access rights ('do a chmod') from the open or save dialogs, which is a great time saver. Barebones have done a very good job with a product that was hard to improve. And a free upgrade! Grab it if you're a BBEdit 6 user. Do it now.  
(Version 6.1)

DANIEL  This is simply the best text editor out there for the mac. Working hands on with your html code using BBedit is great way to build well formed web pages and learn the ins and outs of HTML..  
(Version )

DAVE BROWN  There's one very bad flaw in BBEdit that makes it very difficult to use for scripting languages. Most scripting languages I've used give errors by the line number in your code. But if you have soft wrap turned on in BBEdit, BBEdit will increment the displayed line numbers for every displayed line where it should be incrementing only for "hard" lines. Thus, the displayed line number is incorrect and out-of-sync with the error messages returned by languages like PHP, Perl, ColdFusion, JavaScript, etc.

(In multiple emails, BareBones staff have refused to even consider that their way is not correct. Despite evidence to the contrary from both the "real world" of scripting and many competing programs.)

Consequently, I find myself using Windows shareware like EditPlus under VirtualPC (or just using a PC). Gotta go where the tools exist... I'll still use BBEdit 5 as a scriptable text editor, but I don't see any reason to upgrade until BareBones fixes this problem.  
(Version )