KIT WALKER  In the What's new, they say : "Added 64-bit support to the WebKit plugin and the Flip4Mac WMV Preference Pane" Is it true or not ?  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

ILGAZ  I wonder what will happen when Silverlight, part of MS culture gets some "remote execution" security issue.

Will the team at MS who still have face to ship that performance/security disaster named MS Windows Media Player to Intel macs give up all work in hand and ship a security update for OS X which shows their every attempt as joke?

This is a company who managed to ship MS Office latest version installed as user 502, traditionally no power, secondary account on OS X and people pay huge amount of money to them for it. Silverlight on the other hand, is "free".

Not a political thing, rather a technical thing since I know how MS works (like most do), I would opt out of Silverlight even if my Mac was supported. I don't allow it even to my Windows machines/managed clients since it is a really needless failed attempt to kill Adobe flash and nothing else. Even MS joint ventures doesn't use it.  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

JIMSANDER  OK, silly me - I missed the checkbox in the "installation type" - saves me a bit of trouble. That will teach me to read comments before posting. :)  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

ICONZ113  during the install process you can click customize and deselect the silverlight installation  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

ILGAZ  You could have easily missed it since it defaults to ON and carefully buried under "customize" which no OS X user uses. They really know nobody will click Customize and that is why they default to ON rather than OFF.

Another issue with installer is, it "phones home" by needlessly embedding remote images from MS web server in "success" screen. When I got some time, I will sure alert Apple about this potential abuse of Installer/Webkit integration. If we had REAL security experts and non snake oil AV companies, it is their job to alert their customers and Apple about such ABUSE of Installer.app.  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

SJK  Moving the installer package out of the FileVault volume is a workaround described in this Knowledgebase article.

http://www.telestream.net/telestream-support/knowledge-base/kb-0083.htm  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

DJCZ  I've never seen an installer behave like that, but the workaround did the trick..... silly me, for not taking an hour or so, to search the knowledgebase for a problem that shouldn't have occurred in the first place.

But, I do appreciate the response. Thank you!  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

SJK  I'd noticed that FileVault issue/workaround somewhere else a few hours earlier when installing the update, then was frustrated not to find it again after seeing your post. Fortunately it was an easy search for that KB article instead. :)  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

ILGAZ  If one uses Apple's standard installer, it is his job to "workaround" some issue (!) which is in fact the built in functionality of OS X since 10.3 or .4.

No need to apologize, they should care about such issues more than sneaking silverlight and remotely pulling images from MS servers in success screens.  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

ORION MK. V  Just disable it during installation.  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

MATTHEW GREEN  agreed, one bespoke Microsoft technology on my Mac is enough for me  
(Version 2.3.0.14)

NOOKSTER  +1 Smiley for you, a simple task for those that didn't pay attention to the installer.

I'm surprised that I my post below yours (regarding the truth about both MS and Apple's installer tactics) isn't -10 though, maybe there's more common sense around here than I give this place credit for.  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

ROBACKJA  Yea, what crap. Silverlight through the back door!! LULZ. Just wait, its only a matter of time before Silverlight is *part* of the Flip4Mac install without option to deselect it.  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

MEEGO  As a matter of fact, Silverlight isn't that bad. It does not take over any other plugin, or puts your computer at risk, or invades privacy AFAIK.

Granted, it's another proprietary software suite that hurts interoperability on the Internet, but some sites already need it to run properly.

Also Telestream was bought years ago by Microsoft, for those who don't know.  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

GORDON142  Agreed. Very lame. There is no reason for it to be there. It is obviously not part of the core functionality of the package.  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

JCRAIG  What's sneaky is that there's absolutely no mention of it in the release notes. This is the type of behavior we'd expect from a malware vendor, not a reputable company.  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

GOZERONLINE  That's exactly it. I'm not complaining that this is spy or adware, but it IS deceptive. If I want to download Silverlight, I'll download and install it myself. This just wreaks of MS wanting to increase Silverlight's install base as they obviously can't compete with Adobe Flash legitimately.

So what's next MS? Are you going to change my default search provider to Bing?  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

APPSCOUT  [This is the type of behavior we'd expect from a malware vendor, not a reputable company.]

When did MS become a reputable company?  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

MKAY  +1. leaves a very bad taste.

If you get sponsored, say so.

I don't think anyone would mind as long as it's made clear.

Transparency is king.   
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

FONGD  Not to defend the seemingly invisible installation of Silverlight, but the README when you launch the installer explicitly states that it will install Silverlight: "This installer also includes a browser plug-in for Microsoft® Silverlight™, which allows you to play Smooth Streaming video content. This is installed by default. To disable its installation, click the Customize button on the Installation Type pane and uncheck the Microsoft Silverlight Plug-in option."  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

ILGAZ  It is stated in last paragraph, a common tactic to sneak into EULAs. The next step is, hiding it under "unseen" "never scrolled to" text, ask me I have seen all in Windows!  
(Version 2.3.0.11b)

ANONYMOUS  Are you referring to the lock at the bottom of the Upgrade Pref Pane? This Pref Pane has always been locked but can easily be unlocked by clicking on the lock and entering your Admin password to unlock.

Flip4Mac Support  
(Version 2.2.3.7)

ALGOS  I think he means it locks up. Does the same on my MacBook running 10.5.7. I have all sorts of trouble since updating. Safari hangs when I play movies, and iTunes hangs when I try to play something. When System Preferences, Safari or iTunes hangs I can't even force quit it and I have to hard reboot my machine. Machine was running perfectly until I updated Flip4Mac.  
(Version 2.2.3.7)

TELESTREAM DESKTOP SUPPORT SUPPORT  The insert disk error message (which is very misleading) usually happens when FileVault turned on. Move the Flip4Mac WMV.mpkg installer to some location outside of the user's protected area. By default, the installer attempts to run from the Desktop, which is inside the File Vault protected area. Just move this file to either another volume if you have one, or anywhere else outside of the /Users/ folder. For example, /Users/Shared. This should allow the installer to work correctly. This anomaly is noted on the Flip4Mac Support Site - http://www.telestream.net/telestream-support/knowledge-base/kb-0083.htm

Flip4Mac Support  
(Version 2.2.3.7)

MMUECK  Thanks for the tip - it worked (I was using filevault). Strangely, I've never had a problem installing software within filevault before. Perhaps you're doing something non-standard...  
(Version 2.2.3.7)

CUNEYT  I cant open the System Prefences of Flip4Mac 2.2.2.3 on a G3 10.4.11  
(Version 2.2.2.3)

MITCH_DE  PPC = RIP !  
(Version 2.2.2.3)

ROBOTANK  I agree that PPC support in general should continue where practical, but for a G3? Come on. You can't ask developers to keep supporting hardware that old.  
(Version 2.2.3.7)

MACNERD1984  Yeah! And why no support for 68030 Macs?! I want to use this on my Maxed out LCII with ThunderCache! Apologies for the sarcasm.

The G3 processor is ancient; expecting it to be supported these days, especially by media SW is just not reasonable (IMHO). VLC can open WMV files but I'm not sure if it supports the G3 architecture; worth a go perhaps?  
(Version 2.3.0.7b)

ILGAZ  Video/audio decompression relies heavily to Altivec/SSE. G3 lacks that unit. You should at least upgrade to G4 somehow. G3 is really really outdated and not suitable for that kind of use. I'd give a shot to mplayer, that is the only thing one can try on such configuration but no guarantees of magic.  
(Version 2.3.0.7b)

ALAN  Downloaded 2.2.2.3 via MacUpdate; took me less than a minute. ;-)  
(Version 2.2.2.3)

ALBABE  I just had exactly the same problem... so I D/Led it from here. Then I checked the Flip4Mac in the System Prefs an it was updated to the new one.  
(Version 2.2.2.3)

M85  I have filevault enabled. No trouble installing on 10.5.4  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

SCOTTDB  Yeah, same problem here to. However, here's a workaround: Open Disk Utility and create a disk image with a volume name of the disk the installer is requesting. For example; if your user account / home folder is called "joeblow" create a disk image with that same name. As soon as it mounts on the desktop, the installer will continue and installation will succeed.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  That's an awfully weird workaround...  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

CRAIGSEE  Did you have File Vault on? Why not report this on their support forum.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

MMUECK  In fact, I do have filevault on! I should have mentioned that, although it's *never* been a problem with any other installation I've done...  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

CRAIGSEE  Maybe there's an issue with the install around File Vault. That's why this bits of info are important to the developer. Maybe it's only certain systems with File Vault and not all systems. The developer may need to test this and see whether it's all systems with File Vault or some configuration used by some and not others.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

SCOTTDB  Yeah, it appears to be a FileVault only issue. I installed it without incident on my second non-FileVault desktop.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  That's odd, since QuickTime can't play WMV files...  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

CRAIGSEE  QuickTime can's play WMV without it.

Sounds like you don't know how the app works. You should go to their support forum and ask questions because you may well have a problem with your system.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

XPLICIT  That's not so odd since with Perian it could do so.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

XPLICIT  @CraigSee (Flip4Mac developer)

Seems you aren't that competent at all. Perian enables wmv support in QuickTime, so I don't need your *** app.

I'm glad I didn't spend money on it when I read the comments of yours.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

XPLICIT  Sorry, Perian didn't do it. Decoding was done by the Flip4Mac components (got them separately without knowing). I think I was just irritated by the useless Flip4Mac application (which still su**s by the way).

(Hint: Use Pacifist to extract the QuickTime and web components into the respective folders without installing the app).  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

TELESTREAM DESKTOP SUPPORT SUPPORT  iTunes does not currently support playback of WMV videos. You CAN use Flip4Mac WMV Player Pro to convert your WMV videos to QuickTime MOV files and then play them in iTunes. And you can test that functionality in demo mode when you have Flip4Mac WMV Player installed.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

MACERICG  Thanks for the reply.

I understand that iTunes isn't compatible with WMF, but I was meaning to find if support could be added in the form of an iTunes plug in.

Since iTunes is QuickTime compatible, and Flip4Mac makes WMF open in QuickTime on the fly, it seemed a reasonable thought.

I have tried what you suggested -- saving WMF to MOV and then opening iTunes. This is great for standalone files. I don't think I was able to make this work with streaming WMF radio.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

ESQUARE61  This is a BETA version. Beta versions are never reported in the update routine.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

NEONBLUE2  Beta or not, updating never works.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

WALRUSCP  Agreed - this plug-in's auto update check feature does not work. Before I installed the update, I saw that the update (despite being set to check daily) had not done so since my last manual check.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

FLIP4MAC  Here are some clarifications on the Flip4Mac check for update feature:

1. Beta versions are not part of the automated check for update process. If anyone is interested in being notified of new beta versions, please register at http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_beta_register.htm. We will send you notifications via email when beta versions are available.

2. The check for update process runs when the the componenet is in use. For example, if the frequency setting is set for weekly but the component sits idle for two weeks, the check for update will run when the component is used (in week 2).

If anyone has more questions or needs further help, please feel free to post here and we will get to the bottom of the issue. Thanks for using Flip4Mac.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

J.W.  > They give you 2 different sets of installation instructions: (1) enter your name above the serial field (2) DON'T enter your name in the serial field.

I don't see any contradiction between those two.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

KBEAT  What part of enter your name ABOVE the serial number field, not IN the serial number field do you find contradictory?  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

TIM.DEHRING  Seriously, if you can't read simple instructions, how do you expect to use the plug-in?  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

IAMASWISSGUY  :D

Good read. Yeah.. this *totally* deserves one star.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

P.BUBBLEGUM  My first post was a typo as I was stuck on the installation process at 2:30am. The 2 sets of instructions say:

(1) Enter your name above the serial field.

(2) DO NOT enter your name above the serial field.

That being said, I think you can all find something better to do than slam people on anonymous message boards.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

TELESTREAM DESKTOP SUPPORT SUPPORT  Unfortunately, it can be difficult to update instructions that appear in different places on the web. Initially, Flip4Mac did require both the name and serial number for activation. Earlier this year, that was changed and only the serial number is now required. However, if a name is entered it won't prohibit activation!  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

RICH K.  Can't access Windows Media that is password protected. Any chance this feature will be made available? (7/1/2008, Version: 2.2.0.49R)

do you know the password?

or perhaps you want a version that ignores password protection?  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

MACERICG  "do you know the password?

or perhaps you want a version that ignores password protection? (7/31/2008, Version: 2.2.1.7b)" -Author: rich k.

Um...No. I have a password that can only be activated through WMP.

Don't believe me? Try for yourself:

http://southsuburbancollege.edu/distlearn/telecourse/courses/acc.html#acc110  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

TELESTREAM DESKTOP SUPPORT SUPPORT  Perhaps you're referring to Windows Media that is has DRM protection? According to Microsoft "Windows Media Digital Rights Management (DRM) is a proven platform to protect and securely deliver content for playback on computers, portable devices, and network devices. The latest version offers increased flexibility to support a wide range of business models that provide consumers even greater access to protected audio and video content."

Currently, Microsoft only makes Windows Media DRM technology available for Windows Operating Systems & other device platforms. In our previous discussions with Microsoft, they indicated that they had no plans to offer DRM support on the Macintosh. We're hoping that they will be able to change this policy.  
(Version 2.2.1.7b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  From the developer's page, here are the system requirements:

Mac Intel or PowerPC OS 10.3.9, 10.4, 10.5.1 or later

QuickTime 7.0 or later (7.1.3 recommended)

See for yourself:

http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

JMH1  Yes,

I understand this.

I was basically noting my observation with this, otherwise, excellent plugin.

However, every Mac I have used/installed to running

Panther has serious playback problems

with this version.

Examples:

12 iBooks G4, 3 iMacs G4, and 2 eMacs G4

(granted slightly old). Running QT 7.4.x.

The only solution has been to reinstall

version 2.1.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Fair enough. Then, upgrading to 10.4 is not an option for you? I think those Macs will run 10.4. I have an old G3 iBook 900MHz which does fine with 10.4  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

JMH1  Unfortunately not at this time.

Fortunately, the previous versions

are still available.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

HOLYPOLY  Sorry about your streaming issue - but I've got no problems on my Intel/Leopard setup !  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

CRAIGSEE  Those are good suggestions and we're already looking into them.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

CRAIGSEE  The 100% CPU issue seems specific to QT 7.4.x and Safari. It doesn't happen with QT 7.3.x or with FireFox.

They've figured out what the issue is though and the fix should be out very soon.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  I view the Flip4Mac WMV download page every day, sometimes several times a day, it's my job. I have thousands of softwares and their version numbers commited to memory.

Today, May 19, 2008, the Flip4Mac WMV download page changed. Yesterday it listed version 2.2.0.49 available for download. Today it lists 2.2.0.49R available for download. This means to me that it is a different file, and thus it was posted today here at MacUpdate.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

CRAIGSEE  2.2.0.49R fixes the Safari CPU issue. It went up today at Flip4Mac. Thank you for keeping an eye on it.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  You're welcome, and thanks for posting here at MacUpdate.  
(Version 2.2.0.49R)

HEAVY WEAPONS  Thanks XYPHER. I gave up on 2.2.1.11 and was happy that you gave me a way to reload my old version that worked for me.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

XYPHER  Your welcome.Glad to see the link is still active.  
(Version 2.2.1.11)

XYPHER  Old version is here;

http://rapidshare.com/files/78936957/flip4mac-231.dmg.zip.html  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

DIARBYRAG  thanks I'll give it another try  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

DIARBYRAG  cheers xypher that works fine :-)  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Thank you. Glad to be of help.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MACSOLU  And what version would that be?  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MYSTICAL  Well I think i spoke to soon, after giving it a trial run, trying to use it yesterday resulted in the same problems i experience before.

So no more watching CNN for me.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MEAGAIN  Xypher, could you be so kind as to share your older version of 2.2.0.49 that still has Streaming support (on Rapidshare or something)? I'm sure that many others besides myself would be grateful.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Try here.

http://rapidshare.com/files/78425399/Flip4Mac_WMV_2.2.0.49.dmg.zip.html  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MEAGAIN  Thanks, but I think you uploaded the wrong one. I manually deleted every Flip4Mac file on my computer and installed this one and the streaming option is nowhere to be found…  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Digging through my hard drive, I had two versions of the preference pane installed it seems. The older one was the version being used, but when I went to the about box it would strangely show up as 2.2.0.49 hence the confusion. Looks like their installer isn't very thorough when deleting and upgrading the proper files.

I apologize sincerely.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Seems I'm not alone in being foxed. Guy on another forum had a similar problem. I've included my reply.

Ignore Rapidshare Link!

Xypher - Version: 2.2.0.49,

Looks like I had a similar experience to the poster below. Digging through my hard drive, I had two versions of the preference pane installed it seems. The older one, (v2.1.3) was the version being used, but when I went to the about box it would strangely show up as 2.2.0.49 hence the confusion. Looks like their installer isn't very thorough when deleting and upgrading the proper files.

I apologize sincerely, but they should take their share of the blame.

Sorry, this one breaks my Mac - Version: 2.2.0.49,

RestonMacGuy

After trying all day to listen to my weekly audio streamcast (Music From the Hearts of Space), I decided to try another computer, and found that it was not the source but my Mac. Each time I tried, Safari would lock up tighter than a drum, requiring a force quit.

Unfortunately, the Flip4Mac web site's links to older versions are broken, and the site is unmanned until December 26. I did manage to find version 2.1.3 in a backup set, but the pref pane had to be installed using 2.2.0.49. This results in some odd error messages, although I was able to listen to my program.

Running PPC Mac OS 10.4.11 with the latest security patch on a 1.67 GHz 15" Powerbook.

This isn't the first time Flip4Mac has gone kablooey on my computers. I hope I can get the older version and wait until Telestream updates to another, more stable version.   
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  I've uploaded the older version here if anyone wants it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/78936957/flip4mac-231.dmg.zip.html

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  v2.2.0.49 has streaming options via the System prefs.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

HIHAGEN  I am not able to find it in the system perf.

(I'm sorry if its right in front of me without seeing it)  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Click on the movie Tab, then click the third option in the list.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

HIHAGEN  The only tabs I've got is:

1. Browser

2. Player

3. Audio

4. Update

5. Upgrade

.. and non of these gives me the option of streaming   
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Are you sure you're using the latest Beta, 2.2.0.49?

My Tabs read:

Plug-in

Movie

Audio

Update

Upgrade

I am using Tiger 10.4.11 on a PPC eMac. This has me stumped. Sorry I can't help more.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

XYPHER  Seems 2.2.0.49 has been pulled again and the old Beta reintroduced. The streaming option has indeed been removed from the feature list of 2.2.039b. Haven't got a clue why.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Well, we got slapped on the hand for distributing 2.2.0.49, which was once available at the Flip4Mac WMV Player beta page. The developers pulled it, it appears that 2.2.0.49 was released by accident, so now 2.2.0.39 is available from their download page and the URL is posted here at MacUpdate. Sorry for the continuing confusion.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

XYPHER  Thanks for posting it while you were able.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  I anticipated they might do such a thing, I kept a copy of the 2.2.0.39 file, and I'm uploading it now to MacUpdate. Available soon.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  And for more background on this issue, see this thread.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Version 2.2.0.49 is available, yet again, and it is not a beta. Previous Flip4Mac WMV Player beta installer windows were clearly marked with a beta label superimposed upon the Flip4Mac logo in the installer window. This 2.2.0.49 installer is not designated as beta within the installer itself unlike previous beta installers.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

SJK  Any idea why 2.2.0.49 isn't available directly from Flip4Mac's site (not that I can find anyway)? The main download page still mentions and links to 2.2.0.39 (beta) for Leopard. Only mention of it seems to be this forum news item:

Flip4Mac Beta 2.2.0.49 is out. Beta 2.2.0.39 users please update. - 12/14/2007 11:48 AM

Flip4Mac Public Beta 2.2.0.49 is out. If you've had issues with 2.2.0.39 please update and check those issues you've previously reported and let us know the results.

… but there's no link for it. Strange.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

XYPHER  Sure they had their reasons. Anyway it's available from the Macupdate Download link.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

BRUCE_Y  Ditto on this request to developers: Please allow us to choose the install option of: Current User or All Users.

What I often do after an unruly program forces such an admin/all user install is to manually move the item(s) from whatever Library folder to my ~/user Library folder.

I know it is not necessarily ideal, as it may lose the permission repairability if the installer created a install receipts package, but so far, no tech troubles that I can attribute to my manual relocations. 8)

Plus in some cases, I send a feedback email/post to the developer asking for the option of current user install.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  The newer version is the higher number version, i.e., 2.2.0.49.

Version 2.2.0.39 was reposted because 2.2.0.49 got pulled, read the MacUpdate product page for Flip4Mac and also see this thread for more info.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  BTW, I have 2.2.0.49 beta installed and I'm keeping it that way until the next truly new release come out.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Version 2.2.0.49 is available, yet again, and it is not a beta. Previous Flip4Mac WMV Player beta installer windows were clearly marked with a beta label superimposed upon the Flip4Mac logo in the installer window. This 2.2.0.49 installer is not designated as beta within the installer itself unlike previous beta installers.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_beta_download.htm

You just missed the boat, it seems.  
(Version 2.2.0.49b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Oddly enough, the previous beta (2.2.039) is still available on this page, look closely and you'll find it:

http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm  
(Version 2.2.0.49b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Further, it states on the page I mentioned previously:

"Important: If you have upgraded your Operating system to Leopard, OS 10.5, you will need to download and install the beta version of Flip4Mac, v2.2.0.39, before activating your Flip4Mac license. You will be able to activate your Flip4Mac license once you have downloaded and installed this version, which is about to become our official release."

So, my guess is that 2.2.0.49 was/is the final release or a very near-final release candidate and someone at Flip4Macville messed up and posted it prematurely and as a beta. So it got pulled. Just a guess, but sure looks like that is what happened. Who knows.  
(Version 2.2.0.39b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Version 2.2.0.49 is available, yet again, and it is not a beta. Previous Flip4Mac WMV Player beta installer windows were clearly marked with a beta label superimposed upon the Flip4Mac logo in the installer window. This 2.2.0.49 installer is not designated as beta within the installer itself unlike previous beta installers.  
(Version 2.2.0.49)

KBEAT  Yes, I have the same issue, even with the newer .49 release. It's even more aggravating, because using the new Real 11 to play the large Windows Media files doesn't exhibit the same behavior. They open and play immediately.  
(Version 2.2.0.49b)

MACUPDATE ADMIN  No, if it did require that it would be listed in the requirements for this software.  
(Version 2.2.0.39)

JCRAIG  Just to add, WMP has been EOL'd (end of life) by Microsoft. You should be using Flip instead of WMP, removing all traces of WMP from your machine.  
(Version 2.2.0.39)

DOM21  Reason I asked is because F4M doesn't play some WMVs for me. Seeing as I never installed WMP on this Intel iMac [btw why does installing WMP ask for your admin pw? That's why I dumped it], I simply wondered if not having WMP installed could be the reason.  
(Version 2.2.0.39)

IAMASWISSGUY  Hmm, well it should play everything. I never have any problems. Try just tweaking the preferences.

About the admin password, passwords are always asked for when installing any kind of software.  
(Version 2.2.0.39)

FRIBHEY  it does exactly what it says. this is the FREE WMV PLAYER and it allows you to PLAY Windows Media files (.wma and .wmv) in QuickTime. it doesn't say anything about being able to export or convert files to mp3. if you want to be able to save/export to another format then you have use one of the pro versions which you have to pay for. this version is just for playback.  
(Version 2.1.3.3b)

MEEGO  VLC can do it although it's not very user-friendly.  
(Version 2.1.3.5b)

SWORDFISH  This is happening to me too. 1.83Ghz Core Duo iMac, 1.5GB RAM.  
(Version 2.1.2.72)

BENJI1234  you just need to restart finder for it to work again, finder doesnt update its quicktime compoents till you do this, aka logout login.  
(Version 2.1.3.5b)

PHOTEK  between the Flip4Mac, Perian and A52 codecs there shouldn't be much you cant view in Quicktime.  
(Version 2.1.2.72)

IGAUCHO  I've had really good results from Flip4Mac. There's very little that it won't play anymore with the latest versions.  
(Version 2.1.2.72)

SONOMAKEN  you might want to try vlc player. it handles a variety of files and is an apple staff pick on the apple website. i have used it for years on xp and now use it with os x  
(Version 2.1.1.70)

PHILSH  Couldn't agree more - VLC!  
(Version 2.1.1.70)

SQUISHED SQUIRREL  To the person asking how to play back Indeo 3,4,5...

I believe VLC will play back Indeo 3, but the surefire way to play them all back is to use Quicktime 6 under Classic. If you have the Indeo 3, 4 and 5 codecs installed in your OS9 system folder, you can play those files, and convert them to something that Quicktime 7 in OSX will play.  
(Version 2.1)

NALEAG DECO  Considering the price and the purpose, the PopWire software seems more for people who need to manipulate WMV files, not simply view them.

The free Flip4Mac player cannot do any manipulation, but perhaps this should be noted under the commercial F4M encoders.  
(Version 2.1)

D9  Actually, Popwire works the same way. It's just more hidden than the Flip4 information. You can use Popwire for viewing only without paying. With the paid version, you get the editing and conversion features.

Both work similar to the QuickTime model's Standard and Pro versions.  
(Version 2.1)

DP-G4-450GUY  Buy what, it's free. ??  
(Version 2.1)

LOKHEED  yeah, I'd like totally buy free stuff too...cripes!  
(Version 2.1)

D9  The player is free but the editing and conversion codecs are not.  
(Version 2.1)

SJK  Is support for disabling 'save as' a terrible change from the perspective of web authors who previously didn't have that control?  
(Version 2.1)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  You can still save movies even if the function is set to off. It's a magical thing known as saving as a page as a web archive.  
(Version 2.1)

IANWEIR  Or, you can paste the URL of the file in question into the Downloads window in safari - don't think any amount of DRM on the planet is gonna stop that one.  
(Version 2.1)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  Oh wow...I had no idea you can paste urls into the Safari download window, lol.  
(Version 2.1)

UNSHRA  It says 2.1 now, just takes time that's all.

Thanks to the team at Flip4Mac many of us have been waiting for this for a long time. I can now take quicktime out of Rosetta and run it natively.

Great product and so far the new version seem just as stable as the last one. However because it's now Universal it runs a lot faster on my MBP.

-Unshra  
(Version 2.1)

ETNIER  In fact, this behaviour continues, with clarity snapping in and out, as a video plays back. Anyone else having this problem?  
(Version 2.0.2)

MSWFUJOWDFFYC  I'm almost certain those are just normal artifacts from wmv compression, not the fault of this program. It plays back just as well as the windows media player for me.  
(Version 2.1)

CRAIGSEE  Seen the issue. We're looking into it.

BTW posting a link as an examples does help.  
(Version 2.0.2)

CUNEYT  I have got the same problem over here.. Hope they will fix the problem  
(Version 2.0.2)

DCHAMMER  Thanks for keeping us up to date. Is there a good way to get a copy of the beta before it goes totally public like you said? (sorry i'm impatient, and love your software)  
(Version 2.0.2)

DOM21  Do you mean avi's using the old Indeo codecs? Nothing plays those in OSX... unless this is the first??   
(Version 2.0.2)

UMAROMC  ...unless you've DRM-encoded files... then you still need WindowsMediaPlayer... unfortunately.  
(Version 2.0.2)

CRAIGSEE  Version 2.0.2 fixes the Office issue. 3ivx still grabs hold of things and one would hope that the 3ivx people fix the issue.  
(Version 2.0.2)

CRAIGSEE  What Browser are you using?

Go to support forum and ask for assistance

http://www.flip4mac.com/fusetalk/forum/  
(Version 2.0.1)

J0SH0  Using FireFox and Camino. Both are having problems showing the a movie. It's playing... but only half of the video screen is.  
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  Thanks Josh, I know it works fine in Safari. I've heard this about Camino but I thought Firefox was ok. Flip4Mac is testing an update to the player so if you can post an example link that would be good.  
(Version 2.0.1)

J0SH0  Best example would be videos from Break.com. Never really go there much, but my friends are always sending me links from there.

Here's a screen shot I took from my computer.

http://i1.tinypic.com/ok947d.jpg  
(Version 2.0.1)

NOTHINGISTRUE  I can confirm the same problem, running OS 10.4.5 firefox 1.5.1, flip4mac v. 2.0.1. Any windows media files are played with the display window offset or jumping around, even while the video plays. Hoping for a fix soon.   
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  Working on the fix. Should be ready in the very near future.  
(Version 2.0.1)

CARL789  How do you find them and then remove them?  
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  Macintosh HD/Library/Quicktime

You'll find the various Quicktime Components there.  
(Version 2.0.1)

JEDIK  If its plugin is not complatible with a site, you may disable it and use the WMP plugin usingg the appropriate setting in the System Preferences pane.  
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  I've been using Flip4Mac since version 1 with BBC. It works fine. If you have a problem go to the Flip4Mac site and post on tech support forum. BBC has worked find since the begining.  
(Version 2.0.1)

JEDIK  Same versions of OS X an M$ Office here and no problems at all.  
(Version 2.0.1)

SBDEHART  Hello:

Flip4Mac has confirmed a conflict on systems running a combination of Microsoft Office v 10.1.6, 3ivx QuickTime Component and Flip4Mac V 2.0(.1). We're working on a long-term fix and will post an update asap. If you disable the Project Gallery that displays when you open an MS program, the crash should be eliminated. If you have a system that falls outside of this configuration and still have a problem, please email details to support@flip4mac.com

Thanks

Barb D

Flip4Mac  
(Version 2.0.1)

MRTOTES  Thanks for the responce. Found 3ivx also affects iMovie 6 so taht's gone now. Will give Flip4Mac another go.

cheers

mrtotes  
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  Shouldn't crash Quicktime 7.04 if you're using Flip4Mac 2.0.1. Make sure you updated.

If you have an issue go to the Flip4Mac site and post on their tech support forum.  
(Version 2.0.1)

GOODSTUFF04  I had the same problems with Flip4Mac with it not opening and them when I uninstalled my WMP would not open and kept messing up! I fear I do not know what "preferences to set" for the Flip4 Mac and how it affects the Preferences for QuickTime or the existing WMP. Does anybody have a site that clearly goes over setting up the Preferences for all theses media players so I can avoid problems.

Also, do the Preferences for Internet Explorere also affect how these things work???? I love the idea behind Flip4Mac but feel like I don't know enough to make it work with my G4 using 10.4.4

Any ideas are welcome.  
(Version 2.0.1)

CRAIGSEE  Go to Flip4Mac tech support Forum to find help about WMV.

http://www.flip4mac.com/fusetalk/forum/  
(Version 2.0.1)

SMALLDUCK  This isn't wierd, but rather how it should have been implemented all along. Quicktime is not just a codec, its a framework for plugging in codecs.

(Probably Apple is guilty of the same on Windows, making Quicktime stand apart from the rest of the system when instead it could be more seemlessly integrated)  
(Version 2.0.1)