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Nov 5 2009

BUMBLEB  Good answer, true about the zeroing out mapping out bad blocks.  
(Version 1.7.1)

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Sep 30 2009

DJEFIS  I never had a problem with this software!!!

N° of Defrag 50 (?), on three Mac.

I don't succeed in understanding as is possible that someone complains it.

They will also have their good motives, but I believe both the case not to exceed.

I understand that when an utility as iDefrag it fails they are damages, but great it is the damage to have for years an approximate OS.

Fortunately I am very happy to have it....

In this way nobody can understand the utility of iDefrag:To reduce the time of StartUp and the start of all the Applications, In sure and excellent way!  
(Version 1.7)

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Sep 30 2009

LOUNGE DELUXE  I don't understand a word of what you're saying.  
(Version 1.7)

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Sep 30 2009

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  I don't understand what he's saying either.  
(Version 1.7)

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Sep 30 2009

NICOLASD  Looks like a bad google translation. Probably not the writer him/herself.  
(Version 1.7)

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Sep 30 2009

ZO219  I apologize to the reviewer, not all English-speaking people are rude clods. Your feedback was valuable.  
(Version 1.7)

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Oct 11 2009

DJEFIS  Thanks ZO219 really I am not fine with the English language, at least I don't have anymore now doubts.

However I use the Mac very fine!

hi.  
(Version 1.7.1)

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Sep 3 2009

MAC ADAM  Please update for snowleopard 64bits…  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 10 2009
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TIMBARNES  Any software that deals with the low-level structure of your computer's file system has to be 1000% robust. Errors and crashes are an absolute no-no for these kinds of utilities.

Unfortunately, I have had a number of hangs while using iDefrag's latest version, and I've also seen file system corruption that has required me to run utilities like DiskWarrior to repair the file system.

So while I think there may well be a case for doing defragmentation from time to time, I can't recommend this application.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Sep 30 2009

MITCH_DE  I would ALWAYS check the volume with the buildin test volume or disk utiliy BEFORE let idefrag defrag.

I use idefrag on 4 HDs for > 3 years and had never any problem or hangs. But i never let it run without check&repair(if needed) the hfs+ volume structure !

So my experience is only good with that app.

Also i like that i got lot updated without paying for new version. Some companys make every year an upgrade and you must pay, that company not.   
(Version 1.7)

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Sep 30 2009

ZO219  Strange how one person could have so many bad experiences, yet like another reviewer, I've used iDefrag for several years, on multiple Macs, without a single hang or a glitch, and consider it a highly useful utility.  
(Version 1.7)

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Jun 8 2009

HARV  I am not (yet) an iDefrag user, and my knowledge/understanding of defraging/optimization is nil, so I well understand if my question is off base.

SuperDuper allows me the option to erase a drive/volume prior to copying the backup. Doesn’t the erasing accomplish the same thing?

I know iDefrag has more bells and whistles (some are of no benefit to me) and it may defrag faster, but as I use/schedule SuperDuper while I sleep, I see no advantage there.

So for folks such as me, why use iDefrag?

No offense is intended to the developers, I just don’t understand.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Sep 20 2009

BUMBLEB  SuperDuper and iDefrag has nothing in common. iDefrag is for defragmenting your main drive.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Nov 5 2009

SNOWWHITESICKETTE  I think Harv is thinking of remapping the disk, not defragging. (To fix bad blocks on a hard drive, Harv?) SuperDuper! does not remap the drive when it erases the data. You can do that with Disk Utility. In the Erase function, there is an option to write zeros to the drive. Zeroing out is what remaps any bad blocks, simply erasing does not. One pass is enough, unless there is very sensitive data being erased. Zeroing out takes a lot longer than erasing, and additional passes multiply that amount of time by the number of passes. Defragging is done as maintenance of the existing files on a drive, which would be pointless if the drive were going to be erased.  
(Version 1.7.1)

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Jun 8 2009

DOM21  What exactly does the "on-line" in "on-line defragmentation" mean? Does it make your hard drive viewable or accessible to Coriolis in any way? If not, then what does it mean?  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 8 2009

NORAA  Normally when a HD is defragmented by iDefrag it needs to be unmounted. Thus you can't defrag your startup volume. "Quick (on-line)" means that the HD can be defragmented while still mounted, including your startup volume. This method only defrags individual files however, and doesn't defrag free space (a full disk optimization).  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 8 2009

DOM21  So is Coralis using the term "on-line" in a non-traditional sense? On-line normally means connected to the Internet.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 15 2009

FAHLMAN  On-Line means the Hard Drive is mounted.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 8 2009

SHOTGUNWEDDINGS  Where's the iDefrag 1.6.9 demo?

I download from here it is 1.6.8 and I download from Coriolis website same thing.

1.6.8 demo did not work for me. Kept hanging when I launched it. It would go into a endless loop looking for drives.

eMac PPC with 10.5.7  
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 7 2009

DANA SUTTON  Question: does iDefrag work with RAID arrays?   
(Version 1.6.9)

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Jun 7 2009

NAOH  It depends what you mean 'work with'.

The short answer is 'yes'. iDefrag will defragment the data on a RAID.

iDefrag will treat a RAID as just another disk.

The task of mirroring or striping the information on the disks is usually handled by the RAID controller or the disk drivers in the OS.

Since iDefrag doesn't take over from those, it can't see the inner workings of the RAID, and therefore is unaware of the exact nature of the disk.

Instead, like most disk defragmenting tools, it will look at the data blocks as they are presented by the OS, and work with that.  
(Version 1.6.9)

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May 14 2009

DANNY365  I have recently purchased iDefrag to help my PowerBook 12'' *60 GB* disk survive after several years of moderate use. The disk was about half full, and I suspected it caused some slowing down. The app. worked fine for me (nothing special, 2 hour job after booting from the disk the supplied app. created.) I do sense some quickening, not dramatic, though. I would still buy the app. not to take the risk of a fragmented disk.  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 22 2009

DRDUL  As a previous reviewer noted, running iDefrag on a Mac with Time Machine enabled results in Time Machine backing up many of the defragged files. Too bad I didn't realize this before I ran iDefrag. Time Machine is now backing up a whopping 371 GB of files, none of which have actually changed. My 1 TB Time Machine volume was full, which means I have now lost a whole bunch of backups from several months ago so that Time Machine can squeeze in 371 GB of not-at-all-new files.

Because of this, I will no longer be using iDefrag. I'd rather have a fragmented disk and keep my old backups.  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 23 2009

DRDUL  A follow-up to my earlier report. I contacted Coriolis technical support, who indicated that Time Machine should not be re-backing up defragged files. They indicated that following a similar report they received earlier, they tested this and were not able to reproduce the problem I experienced. So, as always, YMMV.  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 18 2009

XPLICIT  "EDITOR NOTES

Note: The demo only works on 100MB drives and smaller."

Is that so?! Who has such a drive? Even my USB stick has 1GB ...  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 18 2009

NOTAFOOL  This application has yet to complete a single defragmention job for me successfully. On every occasion the process "freezes" about halfway. A message appears at the foot of the application stating that it is "Allowing disk to cool" and "Temperature 56.0 C". But it never seems to resume the job. I have to quit it, to reclaim my computer. What on earth is it that is going on ? I have NEVER encountered anything quite so bizarre with any other defragmenting program that I have used, and am starting to wonder with iDefrag is in fact a total lemon. Can anyone advise me what the heck is going on here ? It is very disappointing indeed. I am using an iMac G5 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, running Mac OSX Version 10.5.6  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 18 2009

DOM21  Just curious: did your trouble begin with this latest version, 1.6.8? Or previous versions too?  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Mar 20 2009

L0XBY  i had a similar problem with 1.6.6 where it would just stall, show the spinning beach ball and require a hard reboot to restart idefrag. haven't tried 1.6.8 yet.  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Jun 7 2009

ANONYMOUS  The problem here is probably that you have the temperature parameters set incorrectly in iDefrag's Preferences panel. Some disks are quite capable of operating at up to 60°C (possibly in a few cases even higher), whereas others are not; the default values in iDefrag's Preferences panel are, necessarily, conservative.

You can find out what the maximum operating temperature for your drive is either by looking up the serial number (in Disk Utility or System Profiler) and sending it in to us, or by looking on the hard drive manufacturer's website.

Alternatively, and obviously at your own risk, you can disable the thermal monitoring feature in Preferences.  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Feb 27 2009

JGROVE  The best (by far) MAC defrag program on the market.  
(Version 1.6.7)

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Feb 13 2009
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CHRISWAN  Could significantly improve performance on regularly used Macs

In general if it has been used for about 4-6 months (download, browsing, working with, many larger than, 20MB files) and have less than 30% free HDD space, this app can improve the performance of your Mac

But, as with marriage and tax evasion, your mileage may vary...

I would like to see individual file defragmentation and file/folder exclusion in future versions (it's already there, but you have to do some scripting, which is not my kind of thing, I'm expecting simple checkboxex and stuffs)

Highly recommended  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Feb 27 2009

WOLFEATSWORLD  You are a very funny fellow-and write a good review. Thanks for the smile :-)  
(Version 1.6.7)

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Jan 18 2009

CHRISWAN  Has more capabilities than any Defrag apps on the market

competitor usually only have the 'Compact' or 'Quick' algorithm

would like to see individual file defragmentation capabilities though...  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jan 14 2009
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L0XBY  Booted up from my backup drive and started a full defrag of my main boot volume (60GB, 50% full, OS 10.5.6, journaled). About 20 minutes into defragging, iDefrag stalls and it shows the spinning beachball of death (I no longer hear the hdd reading/writing). Unable to shut down from Apple menu, I do a hard reboot by holding down the power button. I boot up from the backup drive again and start the full defrag of the main boot volume. This time it stalls after about 30 minutes of defragging, I get the spinning beachball and have to do a hard reboot again.

Full defrag runs fine on non-journaled volumes that don't have OS files on it. Maybe there's some incompatibility with OS 10.5.6? But it also stalled when I tried it on a 10.5.5 boot volume.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jan 28 2009

CHRIS FROM CORIOLIS  When a hard reboot is required, it indicates a problem with either the hardware or OS X. It cannot be a problem with iDefrag---you would be able to Force Quit iDefrag if the hang was because of iDefrag.

Anyway, please report these issues to us and we can get onto Apple if necessary.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jan 10 2009

DABOW  I bought this product the other day and it is giving me some rather worrying problems. I'm trying to defrag an internal 1GB drive with around 300GB of data on it. The drive has been repaired and shows as fine in Disk Utility. Yet iDefrag constantly hangs when it tries to do a defrag, and this is after it has been defragging for a few minutes, so i just hope I haven't lost any data. NOT HAPPY!!!  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Dec 19 2008
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SHADOW RAY  I read up on drive fragmentation in OS X and subsequently bought this about a year ago. I've used it on a few different systems and it's always worked smoothly and really sped up startup times for fragmented drives. If your drive has ever gotten to 90% or more full this will likely make a big difference in system speed. I think my system startup time after i first used it was cut by around 5-10 seconds. If you never fill your drives up and aren't working with media drives this will be less useful. I've always run Applejack and backed up before using it but it's never given me a problem or error.

Based on the reviews for Drive Genius, this is definitely the program you want if you're defragging your OS X drives. I was annoyed by the useless demo mode, and the lengthy documentation should be read before using it, but I was very happy upon purchasing fortunately, it's definitely a good buy. I recommend that any media company working on OS X buy this for their media storage drives as well.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Aug 16 2008

REPEATER75  Jan13 is wrong. I ran this on a 200GB firewire boot disc used on a first gen Mac mini 1.42ghz. The difference in speed for system startup and app launch times was very noticeable. I believe this is a utility you only need to run once a year or so, but is well worth $35 for the time you'll save over that year!  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 7 2008

ELGRECO  Awesome defrag tool!!

If you work with large files, this is the one for you.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 4 2008

NORAA  This version doesn't seem to work with TechTool Protogo anymore. The last version I was using (1.5.8, hadn't upgraded in a little while) worked just fine when loaded onto a TechTool Protogo device. Now, with this new version, when I try to open it when booted up from a TechTool Protogo device, the whole system hangs. I just get that wonderful spinning beachball, and nothing. Anybody else have this problem (or even use TechTool Protogo for that matter)?  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Aug 31 2008

GFORCE  I'm having the same hanging problems you are with Protogo. Did you ever find a fix for this?  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 4 2008

JAN13  Again ... I am reading these silly “POSIVE REVIWS” on how greatly this software improve Mac OS 10.5 system ...

Please get it strait people. This software is like a dancer with wooden leg, trying to win competition in tango!

Your Mac OS 10.5 DOES NOT NEED NEED THIS. If you see your CPU performing it is a disillusion. Get it STRAIT!  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 4 2008

CHRISWAN  Have you tried it yourself?  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 5 2008

JOSDANS  try it...  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 7 2008

SHOTGUNWEDDINGS  First , learn how to spell kid and second get a clue.

OSX does NOT defragment large files. Period

iDefrag works, your brain doesn't!  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 20 2008

MSWFUJOWDFFYC  You're an idiot, quite frankly. You can use other programs that allow defragging to double check to see if anything has been done. During defragmentation, you can use Activity Monitor.app to show that your hard disk is indeed being read and written.

iDefrag definitely defragments your disk. It might not be useful, but it does what it says.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Aug 1 2008

MEMPHISGEEK  You sir are an idiot.

As per Apple's own KB article...

"If your disks are almost full, and you often modify or create large files (such as editing video, but see the Tip below if you use iMovie and Mac OS X 10.3), there's a chance the disks could be fragmented. In this case, you might benefit from defragmentation, which can be performed with some third-party disk utilities. "  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 4 2008
*****

MACINTOSH SAUCE  I purchased this program for Leopard, just before the Leopard incompatibility issue notice came out. It's been six months since I have been able to use iDefrag. I defragmented my four HDs on my Mac Pro and everything is running much snappier now. This program is worth the expense IMHO.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 4 2008
*****

JOSDANS  The missing software from Apple!

Despite all claiming defrag-software isn't needed in Mac OS X, the software makes my Mac much snappier, especially the start-up.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

CHRISWAN  The frickin' software was released on June 18, 2008. I was wondering why MU and VT need 15 days to update their entries on iDefrag

I don't think updating the demo version is an urgency (altough a nice thing to do), looking at that version potential customer will already now what is being offered  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

SHOTGUNWEDDINGS  Things never change, same boneheads claim its nots needed.

Get this through your thick skulls, OSX will only defragment small files , those of use with larger files there is no other program that comes close to the excellent job iDefrag does.

Not to mention it speeds up my boot time every month I use it.

Now for the demo comment, I guess someone at Coriolis should be emailed about the 1.6.4 demo. It is kind of silly to display a dusty version instead of the current release :)

But for those us that use iDefrag, I wouldn't waste my time with other options or ignore the option to defrag. Makes my Mac happy and fast, and that makes me happy.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

BRUCE_Y  There is no way to accurately test this product.

It is quite disengenuous of the developer to (a) pass of an old demo version on a new update page -- the demo is version 1.6.4 from 2007; (b) allow you to only test if drive volume is 100 MB or less.

My smallest volume partition is 39 GB, on a physical 250GB, so no way to test this product, even with their sneaky older version.

Go to any store or HD vendor, pretty much any disk you buy today or within last year is going to be 100GB or larger for desktop computer.

Therefore their true evaluation policy is: pay full price and then you can see if it works for you.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008
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SUCKERPUNCH86  Great piece of software. It made a great difference in booting up my MacBook Pro, and in intensive programs such as Final Cut Express, PhotoShop & more.

Even though Mac OSX is able to defrag small fiIes, the dynamic environment of OS X and the continuous creation/ deletion will makes things worse.

Highly recommend this to anyone.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008
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MOOGAN  iDefrag is an excellent application - reliable and effective. Plenty of options (algorithms) and a surfeit of information on exactly what state your drives are in. Useful if you are working with large audio or video files where defragging does make a difference. I have used iDefrag for over a year and it's never failed or locked up.

Mac OS X does a decent job of reducing fragmentation of smaller files but like most built in defragging systems doesn't address free space fragmentation at all.

I'm not sure how they could offer a fully functional demo as you don't use an app like this often, people would simply use the demo and not buy the application after it had done its job.

Overall recommended for users of applications which handle large files etc.  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

MAULRAT  I have to agree with Zangief ... the smallest drive I have is a 500GB external .... cant see myself partitioning a drive just to test a demo .... how sbout a time limit instead?  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

DOM21  Do registered users have to buy this version all over again to get the improvements?? Unless I'm overlooking it I see nothing saying 'free upgrade to registered users.'  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Jul 3 2008

JDUB800  I've been a long time user of this and - yes, it was a free upgrade. :)  
(Version 1.6.6)

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Apr 23 2008
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FARDILHA  I don't like to buy Apps that I can't truly test before, so I almost gave up of the idea of buying this one.

Since most programs that I use tend to create huge temp files (from Photoshop to Final Cut Pro) and my other main Util app (DiskWarrior) couldn't defrag on a file level I decided to give this a try.

I'm glad I did, because it's working very well. I already defrag a dozen hard drive without any problem and Final Cut Pro is complaining about real time problems less often.

Besides that this nice app finally allowed my almost full and heavily fragmented laptop to allow Boot Camp to be installed. (Before the Boot Camp utility would fail trying to move all the files from the end of the drive to make room for the new partition).  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Feb 27 2008

ZANGIEF  Most people don't have anything 100MB and smaller to test this on. Useless demo, boo.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 29 2008

DJEFIS  This utility with the time will become necessary. . . . .

Apple must put himself to comparison with the potentialities of this utility. The only one which can actually change the performances of your Mac, unquestionably!.

After to have deframmented my Mac (after three months of use) Leopard seems just installed and everything works perfectly!

If I will found some problems next days I will advise you certainly asap.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 28 2008
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ADVIDATA  I purchased 2 licenses for iDefrag as I have 2 iMacs. Both are identical iMacs, but one is used mainly for personal use and the other for Video Editing.

My Video Editing iMac was heavily fragmented and slow.

I found the online algorithm "ok" in speeding up the iMac: it helped. It took around 2 hours to complete. The only issue I discovered later was that it could not move files at the end of my drive which was preventing me from creating a BOOTCAMP partition.

I additionally tested the offline OPTIMIZE algorithm using the boot disk the software created for me. The test was performed using iDefrags 10.4.9 version of Mac OS on my 10.5.1 software version iMac.

The OPTIMIZE algorithm on my first try failed after my hard drive became too hot, and despite no matter what I did, after 2 hours the drive would not cool. I shut down the iMac for the night and tried again the next day. This time I placed my 14000 BTU aircon at 18 degrees Celsius in front of the iMac and repeated the process. The iMac again overheated and would not cool down.

I decided to change the temperature settings inside the software to allow my hard drive to reach 60 degrees and not 55 as is the default. This time the process completed and it took under 5 hours. The average temperature in my office is 28 degrees Celsius.

There was a huge increase in speed after the degragmentation.

I decided to go one step further, as despite the speed increase, my iMac still had some quirks where it would "think" for prolonged periods of time (however this was the case before defragmentation too).

I mirrored my Macintosh hard drive to an external USB 2.0 drive, and reformatted my main drive and then restored it. (As advised by Apple as the best form of degragmentation). This process took 7 hours. After reboot, I had no quirks whatsoever and my iMac runs as if out of the box, with all my files, software and settings in tact.

Overall iDefrag does have something to offer. For a quick speed boost I would use it when needed. For a complete degrag I would use the Apple suggested route instead: it is faster and the performance boost is much better then what iDefrag's offline algorithms have to offer.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 26 2008

MMCSHANE63  Having read a number of reviews here, and elsewhere I bought this and have now used it on my Intel Core2 duo, 20 inch iMac in target disk mode (from a MacBook) and also on an external FW Drive (LaCie). My conclusion is that it works and it makes a significant difference. It does not seem to have made much difference to startup, but apps open considerably faster. I store large(ish) video projects on the external drive and this has to be worth it.

Full iMac defrag in approx 9 hours. Full external HD defrag in approx six hours. I'll be using this regularly.   
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 26 2008

AKROBAT  Hmm, "Demo works on 100MB Disks or smaller." Well I can't use that on my new MacBook then.

I'd better dust off my Macintosh LC from 1990 in order to test this demo... heck I might even give it a go on my PowerBook 160 from 1992!  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 26 2008

MACPROG  One thing i noticed when I ran iDefrag on a Leopard partition, it caused Time Machine to do a complete backup of everything (because iDefrag moves all your files I guess). In my case this was 100 GB, assuming it does this every time you run iDefrag you can wipe out even a large Terabyte drive pretty fast.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 25 2008

NICOLASD  "Added a workaround for a bug in Leopard's AHCI block storage driver," does not inspire a whole lot of confidence when it comes to a defragmenting utility.

If it's not rock-solid compatible for Leopard, it's useless.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 26 2008

MMCSHANE63  Nicolasd, I read your comment and I think that "useless" might be a bit harsh (unless it destroys all of your files during a run and it didn't for me). However, your comment about rock solidity got me thinking and I can't remember any app that I would describe as that. Can you suggest one that you would describe as RS? I can tell you (see other posting) that it worked for me and made a significant (good) difference.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 28 2008

KUKKIS  Disk Warrior - its probably as rock solid as computer application can get.  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 28 2008

VEGGIEDUDE  I don't understand the comment either. The bug is in Leopard, not in this software. The author has created a workaround to prevent a problem. He's to be punished or blamed for this? Odd logic!  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 25 2008

BRUCE_Y  one thing I have never understood about the Coriolis demos - they are always at least one (sometimes two) versions older than the version being released. Thus this MacUpdate page is about the alleged new v1.6.5, but the demo is numbered 1.6.4 from early December. (same with their ipartition product, which is even further behind the supposed latest release).

so how is one to evaluate if the new version fixes anything, when their Demo-only download is always several months, and one or several versions older?  
(Version 1.6.5)

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BRUCE_Y  i forgot to add:

the fact that their demo only runs on a 100MB disk makes it, well, impossible to test, as even my flash drives are larger than 100 MB. (I don't think there have been any 100 MB disks on the market since the late 1980s).  
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Jan 25 2008
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SHOTGUNWEDDINGS  BLAH BLAH BLAH, Apple says, MaxFixit says, ya right!

Every time an update to iDefrag is announced someone has to jump on the same old dead horse.

You do need to defragment your HD once in a while. Regardless of what any one ignorant has said.

OSX only defrags small files and only optimizes the "Metadata zone".

If your like me with huge audio and video files, then you will need to use iDefrag, or if you would like to shave a few seconds (or microseconds) from your Mac's boot up or application launches.

Anyways, by far the best of the lot for defragmenting your drives.

Get it , got it, good!  
(Version 1.6.5)

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MACPROG  MICROSLOB wrote..."You do need to defragment your HD once in a while. Regardless of what any one ignorant has said."

So you know more about the OS then Apple? That's very impressive.

If Apple is ignorant, then it's better to be ignorant then to be arrogant.   
(Version 1.6.5)

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Mar 18 2009

MOOGAN  From Apple support article HT1375 June 2008:

"If your disks are almost full, and you often modify or create large files (such as editing video, but see the Tip below if you use iMovie and Mac OS X 10.3), there's a chance the disks could be fragmented. In this case, you might benefit from defragmentation, which can be performed with some third-party disk utilities. "  
(Version 1.6.8)

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Jan 25 2008

MACPROG  Apple makes it clear that you don't need to defrag your computer...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668  
(Version 1.6.5)

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Jan 24 2008

ADVIDATA  iDefrag disproves the argument that Mac OS does not need defragmentation.

Apple should consider incorporating this product into its Mac OS.

4 stars.  
(Version 1.6.4)

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Jan 25 2008

SWO  I am unaware that anyone, particularly Apple, has said that OS X doesn't require defragmentation. What they have said is that it shouldn't be defragged often, because important system files may be moved, actually causing your system to slow down.

I defrag about once a year myself.  
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Jan 25 2008

DOM21  Can you provide a link where Apple said that?  
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Jan 25 2008

SWO  Look for : About disk optimization with Mac OS X, Article 25668 on the Apple website, under Support.

  
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Jan 25 2008

SWO  I apologize, I should have posted this instead of the last post. Brain fart strikes again.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668  
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Jan 19 2008
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TEXASSTARGAZER  I have been a computer programmer for over 18 years. Support is very important consideration when purchasing any application. I would not recommend this application based on what I consider rude emails from the support personnel. If I pay $35 for an application that only defrags drives, then in my opinion it's reasonable to expect professional, courteous support.  
(Version 1.6.4)

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Jan 3 2008

TJW7676  I was at first skeptical that this program may not work, but after completing a full defrag via boot cd my machine feels much faster and loads programs in half the time. The full process did not take more than 2 to 3 hours and made a huge difference in the time for loading iphoto and itunes. If your machine feels sluggish, this might be the cure! Highly recommend.  
(Version 1.6.4)

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SGHUEBNER  Whoever said defragmentation is useless on OSX was wrong. Accorrding to iDefrag, all my data was scattered among my HD (though 30 of 80 GB are still free). I mainly tried out this App because the Mac didn't work fluently anymore as it used to when I first installed OSX. And after a five-to-seven-hours defragmentation over firewire I can say that this App was worth every penny. Not only does the Mac start up so much faster now, but I can finally work with it again without seing the spinning beachball all the time. Absolutely great!

Also, the Diskmaker thing worked without any problems. Though I didn't like the fact, that the downloaded diskimage resides in the Apps' caches-folder. It would be nice if one would have the option to delete it as the diskimage is quite big and probably not needed anymore after the boot-cd is burned.

And two things about iDefrage (hope I didn't miss this in the manual): It would be nice if the manual would explain what the different algorithms do. Plus, some kind of logging would be nice, something that, after defragmentation, give a summary on how successful the process was. Something that tells me, if (and what) could ne be defragmented because of size or whatever. for example.  
(Version 1.6.4)

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Dec 12 2007

JOSDANS  How to make it work under Leopard:

The best thing for you to do is to create a bootable CD/DVD using CDMaker (with a template from the Internet) and use that with the off-line algorithms. That will work fine with your Leopard volume.  
(Version 1.6.4)

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Dec 26 2007

JOHNNY ROCKET  I've tried running CDMaker twice, using a Tiger install DVD, and it has completely locked my system both times. I'm running 10.5.1. Has anyone else run into this issue?  
(Version 1.6.4)

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Dec 26 2007

JOHNNY ROCKET  I tried it using the template like you said and it worked fine.  
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Dec 7 2007

CHRISWAN  Great program,

Use the optimize algorithm once in a while and the quick algorithm every 2-3 weeks to keep my Mac in tip top shape

technical support is good (fast and friendly)  
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RAY16  I got the feeback, I'm posting it for others who may have the same problem.

Users, keep in mind to use password and username to get to the links

Hi Ray,

Yes, sorry about this. You're right that it presently won't work on 10.3; we

will be releasing (another) update next week to fix that---it only happened

because we upgraded our build server to Leopard. The program code itself is still

10.3 compatible, it's just that the way it was built by the new developer tools

means that it won't work, so we need to do another build to fix that.

In the meantime, you can download any previous version from the Atom feed,

here:

http://www.coriolis-systems.com/updates/iDefrag

For your convenience, the link to version 1.6.2 is:

https://secure.coriolis-systems.com/updates/get/iDefrag-1.6.2.dmg  
(Version 1.6.3)

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RAY16  1.6.3 does not launch on 10.3.9 Panther. Is it meant for Tiger & Leo???

I emailed the Developer, waiting for feedback, when promted for the update, I did it, and idefrag didn't relaunch.

Hope it's a bug, I like the program very much.  
(Version 1.6.3)

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Nov 15 2007

MACUPDATE ADMIN  Just checked the developer's page for this app and checked the requirements, this app should run on 10.3.9.

I'm sure you'll get a response from the developer soon.  
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Oct 2 2007

GARY30  I took a look at this one. I definitely see the benefit of defragging--especially if you are slinging huge files around. My solution ended up being Carbon Copy Cloner. I clone my drive, check to be sure the clone is bootable, than clone it back using the file by file methiod. This causes the system files to be written to the inner disk and so on, the general way they should be. Speed benefit is great and you get a full backup out of the deal every time. It is also much faster then iDefrag or others.

For what it does, iDefrag is fine. But at least for me there is a way that meets my needs better.  
(Version 1.6.2)

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SOUNDMAN  Been using iDefrag for about a year now. Used to use TechTools or DriveGenius but I used to notice that when I would defrag in DriveGenius and then check for fragmentation in TechTools (optimization tool), there would still be areas that were still fragmented.

I tried out iDefrag and never went back! Gives you much more info on what is happening with your disk. Many more optimation options. It's fast, effective and hassle free.

So now I start with DiskWarrior to make sure directories and files are A-OK and then go on to iDefrag. I do this once a week and ALL my drives are trouble free.

Why once a week? I work with audio files and when I compose, I am using 6 drives at once. Users folder is on a separate drive. Sample audio on another drive, record onto a scratch drive. Current projects on another drive, etc.

There's a crazy debate about whether defragmening is necessary at all on OS X. No doubt at all in my mind that it IS. And beyond that, OPTIMIZATION, which is putting directories in their proper order on the drive.

Now, I have a performance setup. Use 10,000 rpm Raptor drives for the OS and scratch drives. When all drives are optimized, it's like driving a Jaguar and I am happy.

This developer is seriously talented and has my thanks!  
(Version 1.6.2)

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Oct 1 2007

DOM21  I stand corrected, it's admin, not root, pw. You are correct. Nevertheless, checking for updates should be OFF by default. Let the user enable it if he wants to. Just MHO.  
(Version 1.6.2)

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Oct 1 2007

DOM21  Security breach? Upon first launch Little Snitch popped up an alert that "iDefrag Demo wants to connect to faraday.coriolis-systems.com on TCP port 80 (http). After that's established _then_ iDefrag asks you type in your root password. No Sale, Coriolis.  
(Version 1.6.2)

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CABBAGE  >>iDefrag Demo wants to connect to faraday.coriolis-systems.com on TCP port 80 (http)

By default it is set to check for updates on launch. Go to Preferences > Updates and uncheck Check for updates. Problem solved.

>>After that's established _then_ iDefrag asks you type in your root password.

It never asks for a root password. The root user isn't even enabled by default on Mac OS X. It asks for an admin password. HUGE difference. How else would it be able to move any file on the hard drive if it did not have admin access?  
(Version 1.6.2)

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Jun 1 2007
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LARRY2  Wonderful application in conjunction with Techtool ProtoGo. Loaded on a 2gb flash drive included iDefrag and now I have the best of both world since I don't care fro the optimizer in Techtool, it take far longer than iDefrag. If you don't have Techtool this program alone on a flash drive, with an OS of course, is well worth it. Does what it is written to do.  
(Version 1.6.1)

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CASCADEHUSH  I was about to replace the HD in my iBook, something I was not eager to do, but my system performace was so poor I was seeing the spinning beachball about 50% of the time the system was on.

I purchased iDefrag, set my iBook up in Firewire Target mode and left it overnight do do a full defrag.

The difference is amazing. The HD used to be constantly making noise... now it's so quiet. I don't think I've seen a spinning beachball since I did the defrag.

The idea the OSX and HFS automatically defrag seems to be a bit of a myth. I had many fragmented files, and many small chunks of free space.

This program has saved me a lot of grief. When I've used it some more, I'll write a proper review.   
(Version 1.6.1)

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PEANUT BUTTER  Additionally, OS X does NOT optimize.

That is, it OS X will not reorganize the location of the files on your hard drive. This may not seem like a big deal, but if all of your library and system files are scattered across the drive, that adds to the amount of work the spindle must do moving back and forth across the entire platter over and over again. It would be worse if those same files were also fragmented and the fragments were scattered across the drive.

With the size of hard drives outpacing speed (throughput and seek times), I am starting lean back toward defrag and optimization as ways to help the drives keep up with today's fast computers.  
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BEN_MARKO  This is really only for external volumes, the dev needs to specify that in the release notes. Internal Mac HDs will auto-defrag anyway.  
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YOXI  OSX only auto-defrags files smaller than 20Mb, which lets's face it these days means a lot of files remain undefragged!  
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Jan 11 2007

FERRUCCIO BUSONI  That's entirely false, Bob. OS X doesn't defrag free space in any case, but as far as I know it doesn't make any distinction between internal and external drives in its defragging.  
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Jan 12 2007

MITCH_DE  WRONG !

You can try my free tool Showvolumefragmentation and look at YOUR internal HD.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/18451

You will find fragmented file !  
(Version 1.6.1)

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Jan 14 2007

CHRIS SUTER  As well as there being a 20 MB limit to files that OS X automatically defragments, it also will not defragment files that have fewer than 8 fragments i.e. you can still have files that are smaller than 20 MB with up to 7 fragments that will not be automatically defragmented. This additional requirement may have been something that Apple introduced recently.

The automatic defragmenting will occur on all HFS volumes regardless of whether they are internal or external.  
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Jan 10 2007

NORAA  Actually, you can defragment your startup volume - just not do a full optimization. Choosing the Quick On-line mode doens't require the disk to be unmounted, and only defragments files (those that aren't in use at least). For a full optimization of the disk (where the used space is compacted to create the largest possible contiguous amount of free space) you need to boot up from the cd, or another volume.  
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TUISHIMI  Ah! Well that is much different. For $30 I might just give it a shot then.  
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Jan 10 2007

TUISHIMI  This would be of more value if it could defrag the system disk without having to boot from another volume. It would be an instant purchase for me, but otherwise... I run websites on my mac and don't want to have to shutdown and boot off a CD or some other disk to defrag. It would be easier just to perform an image backup and run off that.

Maybe it cannot be done with HFS+, I don't know... I know it can be done with NTFS and RMS but perhaps that's because of how the file system flags read operations or something...  
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TUISHIMI  Oh, forgot to say, it looks like a nice application with good features and good visual feedback as to what it is doing.  
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Nov 14 2006

RAYCON  Er, um, who has a 100 MB hard drive anymore? That's the size of the old Zip Disk and way less than you can put on a CD. Unless that's a typo and it should be 100 GB, no one will be able to even try this application.  
(Version 1.5.7)

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OLIPOWER  Yeah. I'm with you on this one. I've been sincerely interested in purchasing this app, but I can't use the 100 MB demo limit for testing the app, and after too many stupid purchases in the past, ending up just wasting money, I've stopped purchasing "the cat in the sack" so to speak.

So, I kindly wrote the developer. And got a kind reply in return. To summarize:

"People only defrag every few months and a fully functional demo would therefore not lead to a purchase because people would just use the demo"

and furthermore:

"In order to use the 100 MB demo, you can just create a 100 MB disk image with Disk Utility"

Say what man? Will I then be able to see the speed gain afterwards, on my 100 MB disk? No. So, the demo is useless.

At least they could offer a 100 GB demo, so people could defrag their laptop drive or a smaller partition etc.  
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Nov 14 2006

BRUCE_Y  FYI, the 'demo' download from MU, and from developer's own page is version 1.5.1 from Sep 13 2006.

Not sure what value there is in even listing a new version of the program if they only allow demo review of older version.  
(Version 1.5.7)

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Dec 6 2006

CHRIS SUTER  We sometimes do not update the demonstration version if there are new visiible changes in a release.

We list the new version so that customers know that a new version is available.  
(Version 1.5.7)

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Jan 10 2007

ALASTAIRH  We also sometimes update the demo version a bit later than the full release.  
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Oct 30 2006

JDURSTON  I recently purchased this software and am very pleased with it.

There seems to be some misconceptions as to what it does. It optimizes as well as defrags. Optimizing means that it positions files on the drive in such a way that access delays are minimized and performance is maximized. This is what causes multi-hour times for a full defrag. Virtually every file on the drive may have to be shuffled several times if the drive is close to being full.

The customizable algorithims could be of good use to to specialized users.

OS X is limited in the built in defrag, large files will not be defragmented (eg. Virtual HDs for Parallels). This program is well worth the cost and really helps to get the most out of slower laptop drives.

Sorry if there are typos, I've got terrible typing in the evening without my glasses.  
(Version 1.5.2)

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AMERGIN  Just bought version 1.5.2. Tried defragging 25gb on my iBook but gave up when it had done less than half and had taken over three hours! Had used Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the drive beforehand so I just copied that back and am now fine again. I have techtool pro as well but the constant upgrade fees put me off. I'll bite the bullet now and pay the upgrade to ttp and just write this $25 down to experience (although I should have been suspicious when the demo only allows you to defrag up to 100mb!).  
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Mar 21 2007

PEANUT BUTTER  what size is your drive?

3 hours for defrag is nothing on a 100GB HD. Try defraging a nearly full 750GB HD  
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Jul 16 2007

ARTROOM  3 hours. I'd kill for 3 hours. Tech tool pro has been going on my 200gb partition for over 2 days now, and still has a long way to go...  
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Sep 21 2006

COOLFACTOR  Mac OS x has built-in defragging every time a file is saved. That aspect is unnecessary by a third-party utility.

In the developer's favor, it looks like they've added some advanced features that may provide some benefit to users, but plain-old defragging is not one of them.  
(Version 1.5.2)

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CHRIS SUTER  It's true that Mac OS X does a better job of defragmenting than other operating systems, but there are times when defragmenting will make a difference: when your free space is heavily fragmented for example.

iDefrag also sorts files which can provide a benefit.

These issues are addressed on our web site:

http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iDefrag-2.php  
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Sep 15 2006
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KWOJNIAK  I bought it previously for my PowerMac, but redownloaded the new universal version for my MacBook, and ran through the quick defrag. Looks like it worked fine.  
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STEPHEN LOHSE  So I downloaded and it's not very user friendly. I just have been able to make it even work for me? Is it my intel chip?  
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CHRIS SUTER  The current released version does not work on Intel machines.

We have a Beta version out that does and we hope to release it properly soon.  
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Jun 4 2006

NINJABOY  Crashes on launch.   
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CHRIS SUTER  We haven't heard any reports of it doing this.

If it does crash on launch, we'd love to hear from you.  
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May 7 2006
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BOBWEINER  I purchased iDefrag based on positive comments I had read online. I ran it from a secondary drive, defragging my primary drive in the process. Everything ran smoothly (I chose the full optimization routine) - it took about 4 hours to run on my 400GB hard drive (the drive is less than half-full). Did I notice any significant speed-ups after defragging? Yes - applications launch appreciably faster now than compared to before. Is it worth $30? That's really up to you. I think a fair price for this app should be $20.  
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LANNY  I bought a copy of this software 3 days ago and tried it on a 20 Gig hard drive in an iBook 2001 using it in Firewire target mode from a Dual G4 desktop. It stopped and froze after 4 hours with an error message. I tried it again with the minimum "Compact" setting and it gave me same error message.

I sent a copy of the error message and a short description of the problem to customer support. After 2 days of not getting anything back except an automatic reply, I sent a request for a refund. Within hours, they replied back saying that their developers usually answer the tech questions within 24 hours, appologized for not doing so, then replied on their behalf by saying that there was nothing wrong with their software and that my hard drive must have a bad block. Therefore, they weren’t going to give me a refund.

Giving them the benefit of doubt, I ran iDefrag on a 5 gig iPod, not wanting to risk the 120 Gig hard drive in the G4, and got the same results, an error message after about one third of the way through the minimum "Compact" setting.

Needless to say, this product is useless to the extreme. I can’t recommend it and won’t risk using it on my other drives.

Buyers beware, $30 down the drain.

I rated the features a 4, because if it actually worked, the feature set would be good.

  
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ð BORN YETERDAY ð  Excellent tool for defragmenting your files.

Great interface & fast if you backed up and skipped the verifies.

With all the various options, this would be the best replacement for the old standard Speed Disk for OS 9-

Not only is the tool smart enough to cluster files by type but is OSX Tiger friendly!

And an added bonus is you can defrag a BootCD or BootDVD and decrease it's boot time drastically by defragmenting the disk image.

If you think this tool is useless than you know jack and you deserve a quick noisy death for your HD while it play's ping-pong looking fo file fragments!  
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GRAPHIC_INNOVATIONS  Yeah, you really should research before posting silly comments like that. Optimization is a generic term, and in the case of OS X apps optimizing at the end of an install, that has nothing to do with defrag... At All. That has to do with prebinding information and it improves application launch speed. OS X will auto defrag for small files (20 megs or less), but it would be impossible to do that large files (21 meg - 500Gig, etc...) on the fly as it would severely affect performance and I imagine drive life as well. This app is great as it clusters like file together, so the access time require by your HD to jump from like file to like file, or to playback a LARGE media file is reduced.

Any application that moves massive amounts of data around on your harddrive has the risk messing it up (as killing the power mid-defrag would be terrible), but this is true of ANY app that is extensively using your drive and or is moving system components around. This is why the developer suggests backing up first. Carbon Copy Cloner is great for this, as it will create a bootable backup image of your system.

My final comments: This is a great app for optimization of HD data. I have a pair of 500 gig drives filled to the brim with files, and both see their contents exchanges regularly. Thus, the optimization that iDefrag provides is a huge service in reducing latency while browsing / viewing / editing my data. Good work guys, keep it up.  
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BRAK  Mac OS X does indeed "optimize" files after installs. The problem being is that this optimization and the automated processes that run when your system is idle, only affect files UNDER 20 MB. This program has no such size limitation on defraging. It also has some very usefeful features like being able to defrag a live booted system with apps running etc. It's not quite as clean that way but it does defragment the files that aren't in use. This product's interface reminds me of the old Norton SpeedDisk but updated for a modern operating system. Elegant in it's simplicity but powerful in it's user interface and beautiful representation of your Hard Drive's blocks. I would like to have the ability to sort some of the data tabs by the various columns. The default order is most useful but others would be nice.  
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SMTIPS  "Note: The demo only works on 100MB drives and smaller."

Well either that's a typo or it's completely useless unless I buy it :)

Okay, DRAELREN...Mr. "expert"...then please give people some technical data as to why almost every Apple install does an optimization at the end of the install. What is that if not an optimization. I've seen many reviews of so called defrag apps that fry people's OS's. Why would I trust this based on one single good review?  
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SJK  Software Update's prebinding optimization != iDefrag's filesystem optimization.  
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Mar 18 2006

CHRIS SUTER  To test the demonstration version on a 100MB disk, you can create a disk image using Disk Utiltiy or the command line utilities.  
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DRAELREN  It's true that osx defragments itself to a specific degree. In my case it wasn't enough. My system was installed for 1 1/2 year and hd was getting almost full several times. iDefrag showed many file fragmentations and files were spread around the whole hd leaveing whooping 27.000 free space fragments. And if osx can't write its vm in one piece it can be a performance break. Defragmenting the hd so all the free space was available as one piece speeded up my system noticeable. A very nice feature is that it puts system files to the front and not mix it with the rest of the data on the hd.

ps: To all the lamers who just say that osx doesn't need to be defragmented only because they heard it somewhere... GO EDUCATE YOURSELF. It's the same like only going to McDonalds and saying it's the best, never trying out others like BurgerKing. Some people need it, some don't. So please all you lamers, save your stupid comments if you think/researched that you don't need your hd to be defragmented.

It's a great app. works beautiful in 10.3.9 and 10.4.5.  
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ILAST2MINUTES  Program works as advertised.

Too much debate whether OSX requires defragging. Probably not required but my system *appears* more lively now. Another utility listed here on MU, ShowVolumeFragmentation, appears to be happy with my results. I just like to have all my freespace in one area - Im stupid like that.

I had a problem with my system which was not allowing me to use this freshly purchased program. I presented the problem to the developer, confessing the issue wasnt with the software, and he appeared willing to help anyway. He pointed me in the right direction. Thanks Chris!  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Jan 18 2006

CHRIS SUTER  We have made it so you can create a bootable CD if you need to.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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ANONYMOUS  Why defrag a drive that has auto defrag built into the OS ?

With 10.3 and newer Mac OS there is no reason for a defrag tool it's built into the system..  
(Version 1.1.3)

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ANONYMOUS  There are two limitations:

1)

Files over 20 MB won't be defragged (puts too much of a hit on performance to move such a big file during file access?). To defragment these, you'll likely have to run a third party disk utility.

2)

Files that are not being accessed are not defragmented. But then again, this kinda makes sense as if they aren't accessed, fragmentation won't matter to you. Later on, once they are accessed, they'll be defragmented/optimized then.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Oct 18 2005

SZABESZ  You need custom defragmentation when repartitioning a HD.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Nov 23 2005

ANONYMOUS  If you read the info at the site, it will tell you why....  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Feb 3 2006

TONY_115  Um YEAH there IS a reason for a defrag utility in OS X. What happens if you want on-demand defragmentation also, I have found fragmented files on my hard disk when I was using Drive Genius, so I respect you're right to have an opinion but I disagree with it somewhat.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Oct 17 2005
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LANOUVELLECHAIR  Cool app but without bootable cd !   
(Version 1.1.3)

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MITCH  Dont worry about that so much.

The time you need to boot from tools CD´s is exterme.

Techtool needs more than 10 Minutes to boot, also DW or selfmade CDs (only Panther) with BootCD need more than 5 Minutes.

So, also very usefull , you should have an second parttion (also usefull for Techtool or Diskwarrior) or external Disk (backups !!)

Because idefrag has an very good "quick" defrag, you donnt need to boot from CD normally.

Only the (needs much more time) full defrag or optimized defrag needs an boot from CD7 external Drive / other parttion.

And remember:

Always check your drive (volume check/repaier NOT rights check) before you use any such defrag tool.

idefrag & Co won´t be very helpfull if your disk is near full.

If the disk is more than 90% full, you would need to defrag very often !

So keep your disk(volume/system parttion ) more clean and have at least 20% freespace.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Oct 18 2005

RE-BOOTY GOOD?  If I need to do a volume check before running this, don't I need to boot from another disc anyway?

Can I have this automatically reboot from a CD/DVD overnight or a couple of times a day? Then if I write a big disk image after compressing some video it'll be ready to burn right away without me interrupting my work flow. Or can I have this run in the background all the time whenever CPU/disc use is low?

Is there a way that this can move a specified file to the outside of the disc (where the most data goes by per turn) for maximum speed?

If I used this on an early G4 Powerbook with the stock Apple 20 gi drive, what's the fastest DVD burn speed I could reliably use with a fast external firewire 400 burner? (not using buffer underrun protection)  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Oct 17 2005
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ICEGUY@FREENET.DE  Often used (for me) best defrag tool.

Unique: You can also defrag "online/quick", means no need to boot from CD/ Ext. Drive.

This quick mode Defrags most files, but not defrag freespace.

If you want to know why istnt really true:

"Bullshit tools, OS X defrags all itself"

try my freeware app

ShowvolumeFragmentation.

Some of you may be irritated about high disk fragmentation, even if 10 GB of 80 are free.

SFV is also at macupdate.com (search for Showvolume)  
(Version 1.1.3)

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LUX  I have just used iDefrag for the first time with total success on my HD and external firewire [LaCie] disk - OS 10.4.2. It ran without a hitch and did exactly what it says on the tin. No perfomance issues after omptimizing. My ibook is so much faster now and very well behaved. Marvellous - thanks.  
(Version 1.1.2)

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NCIANCA  I like (and have registered) this program. I simply HATE the license validation process and how it can change on you when there is an update. I feel that this scheme lowers the value and ease of use of this program.

There simply is nothing worse then wanting to defrag a drive when you have a new version installed and you have no way to get on the internet to get a new key. That blows, so I'm giving it 2 stars for Ease of Use and Value (however, once registered the program is pretty easy to use and does indeed have value as it does defrag your drive).

I haven't had any problems using this to defrag drives.

To the developer, I hope that you can come up with a better solution for registration.  
(Version 1.1.2)

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CHRIS SUTER  We have spent a long time thinking about our registration process and we have commented numerous times on why we've had to do it.

Note that you once you have registered once, you do not need to connect to the Internet again, even if you install it on another drive. Contact us if you're having trouble with it.

If anyone can propose a better mechanism for protecting our software (that actually works), we'd love to hear from you (I don't suggest doing it on this site though as it's probably not the right forum).

We seem to be damned if we do protect ourselves, and damned if we don't.  
(Version 1.1.3)

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Jul 28 2005

ANONYMOUS  Don't waste your money Mac os X has a Defrag built in.  
(Version 1.12)

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ANONYMOUS  There are two limitations however:

1)

Files over 20 MB won't be defragged (puts too much of a hit on performance to move such a big file during file access?). To defragment these, you'll likely have to run a third party disk utility.

2)

Files that are not being accessed are not defragmented. But then again, this kinda makes sense as if they aren't accessed, fragmentation won't matter to you. Later on, once they are accessed, they'll be defragmented/optimized then.  
(Version 1.12)

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Jul 28 2005

CONCATBOY  "Mac os X has a Defrag built in."

But is it effective if your computer has to work with huge split and combined video files?  
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Jul 28 2005

HOLYPOLY  And unlike iDefrag, the built-in optimization tool won't defragment free space. With lots of tiny files scattered all over your drive, this may be a major issue.  
(Version 1.12)

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Jul 28 2005

ANDREAS/MITCH  idefrag works very good - if needed.

Try my freeware ShowVolumeFragmentation, and you will be telled an other thing:

OS X defrags, even >= 10.3.

YOu need much unfragmented, bigsized freespace pieces to avoid high file fragmentation.

Some very little file fram. doesnt matter with new and fast hds.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/18451

There are also some screenshoots before / after using idefrag (or other such tool) in the readme (dl link to that within the main dl file)  
(Version 1.12)

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Jul 28 2005

MACHUB  they state during purchase: '...Entering a VAT number here will not exempt you from paying VAT on your purchase..' -- so I refrain from buying, as this is clearly invalid and wrong for inside EU goods-Xfer between businesses. Fullstop !  
(Version 1.12)

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CHRIS SUTER  The problem with VAT numbers is that we cannot check that the number being used belongs to the person that is using them and we suspect it is us that would be liable for any fraud.

Anybody that has a VAT number should be able to claim it back or set it against their own VAT bill.  
(Version 1.1.2)

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Jul 28 2005
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ANONYMOUS  I previously posted on this product stating some performance issues after optimizing. I have found that idefrag was not the source of these problems and since have found the product to deliver in all the areas it claims. So far I have optimized two 160 GB hard drives, some disk images and my ipod. All have shown no problems afterward. I do have to say that I cannot really notice any performance enhancements after optimizing, but this may be because I do not work often with really large files.

About the licensing issues and complaints: this company has been very good at explaining their registration process and helping out if there is a problem. In this age of data sharing and transfer, I am not surprised at all that a small company would want to go to beyond average measures to ensure their products are not being stolen.  
(Version 1.12)

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FRITZWIZARD  Update to my previous review: After several rather contentious email exchanges with the developer (hence my harsh comments in the revious review), it finally developed that a dialog box the program puts up during the registration process has an inactive "Next" button until you fill out _and_tab_out_ of the two fields in the dialog box. If you don't tab out of both of the entry fields, you cannot click Next you can only click Quit.

Having said that, once the program is registered and operating, it works very well.  
(Version 1.11)

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CHRIS SUTER  The problem that this customer was having has been fixed in version 1.1.2 and only ever occurred in version 10.3.

We think our registration process is actually very simple. We get very few emails regarding it and certainly a lot less than we used to with our old registration process.

Any potential customers that has concerns about our registration process should get in touch which us and we will happily answer questions.  
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Jul 20 2005
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FRITZWIZARD  The licensing scheme is draconian, doesn't work, and will fail you when you need it to work the most. As a result, my strong recommendation is to avoid this software. The truth is, when it works, it works pretty well. But the bad news is that when you buy it you get a username and a password. You have to use those to download a fully-enabled version. When they upgrade it, they send you an email to use the same username and password. BUT THEY DON'T WORK when you try to get in to upgrade. But wait, there's more. In addition to the username and password, you will also get, but only if you successfully sign on to the website with the fully featured software, a Registered User Name (which is different from the username), and a License Key. When you try to upgrade, it asks for the username and password, but it doesn't recognize them. It will recognize the License Key, but it doesn't put the license key together with either the username or the Registered User Name. This means you are SOL. Of course, the software tells you when a new version is available and downloads it automatically, which means you have lost the working version and can't get the "upgrade" to launch. These people are so paranoid of being ripped off that they have made it so user-unfriendly that my suggestion is to a) don't rip them off; b) don't buy their software at all. F--- them. Let them go out of business because they're assholes.   
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CHRIS SUTER  This customer had a problem with the registration process which affected customers on 10.3 and version 1.1.1. This has been fixed in version 1.1.2.

During the changeover from our older (more complicated) registration process the website would have continued to display registration details that applied to the old process. These details are no longer necessary and are no longer visible.

Our registration process is very simple, and since we have ironed out the niggles in earlier versions, we receive very few emails regarding it --- most are to do with postings on sites such as these.

Any potential customers that have any questions regarding the process should contact us and we'll happily answer them.  
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Jul 14 2005

ANONYMOUS  Maybe I missed something, but what is so terrible about the new anti-piracy scheme? And what does it have anything to do with paranoia? I just downloaded 1.11 and punched in my username and password from my email and it downloaded my key for me. I'm not sure why that's terrible. So why are you overreacting? Did they foil your attempt to pirate good software?

(I do not work for Coriolis.)  
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PAUL  I had absolutely no problem getting the new version working. I did the same as the person above & it worked just fine.  
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ANDREAS/MITCH  Same to me, no problem to regsiter (not with key, with my email / password).  
(Version 1.11)

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Jul 14 2005

ANONYMOUS  You guys are commenting on 1.11, he was commenting on 1.10. They probably fixed the bug that he was complaining about.  
(Version 1.11)

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Jul 15 2005

ANDREAS/MITCH  I hhad no problems register with email adress / password 1.1 also.  
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Jul 14 2005
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JAMES REFFNER  The new anti-piracy system for 1.1 is terrible. Another example of a company driven by paranoia who sets their paying customers aside. They should worry about the people who pay their bills before thay worry about those that don't. Also, the verification system that I despise so much didn't install on the 3 of 4 eDrives (TechTool Pro) that I tried. Hence I can't defrag my primary volumes on 3 out of 4 of my Macs thereby rendering this once great app useless. Emails to developers resulted in comments like, "I don't understand why you're overreacting". There are many other defraggers out there. Since Coriolis wants me to spend my money elsewhere I will and suggest others consider doing the same.  
(Version 1.10)

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ANDREAS/MITCH  I cant understand your problem too.

There are some idefrag.dmgs shared on some crack sites, and of course thats bad for a small company !

I used my email / password to register with no problem.  
(Version 1.11)

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Jul 14 2005

TNH  If, as the first comment here states, the licensing scheme fails to install on edrives then it is a serious hinderance. For those who don't know. TechToolPro (micromat) allows you to create a partition that boots and has TTP on it (IIRC this is actually done on the fly not w/ disk utility). People often put things like disk warrior or other maintenance tools on these partitions and use them for fixing problems and checking out or backing up their machine because they just need that one internal and they can always add this feature. If you have to lug around another drive then what's the DRM is rubbish (of course you do have another backup before defragging right?).

So there were some disk images of iDefrag on a warez site...and? You do realize the people who are going to pirate it wouldn't have paid for it in the first place right? Ever. It's a Defragmentation/Optimization tool. It's scare-ware to begin with. I buy enough copies and licenses of anything I use to fullfill the letter of the law (yes, I even buy a copy of the OS for my other household familly style). I only by an app w/ activation if I absolutely require it because this method, for lack of a better word, sucks. If you are actively backing up, cleaning your system, using multiple drives for scratch or projects, generally ..working, then you will probably need to update and (see 10.4.2 reports) this sometimes kills registration via activation. AND you will also be in the situation where you would USE iDefrag. Like anyone who wants to use this and trusts it isn't going to pay for it?

I understand and agree w/ the reaction. The software has my fingers-crosssed against problems support for now though.  
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Jul 15 2005

ANDREAS/MITCH  I would ask dev with e-disk problem again.

Also read the faq.

Also, as i, if used on an self made bootcd (Bootcd) tool, you have to made some little steps before burning that bootcd with idefrag.

Perhaps its the same to edisks ?  
(Version 1.11)

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Aug 25 2005

CHRIS SUTER  The new registration process is actually is just an improved version of the old process. The old process required you to type in a registration key that you get from our site; the new version get's the registration details from our site autamatically after you enter the same username and password that you would have used to download the product.

As far as eDrives are concerned, there's no reason why iDefrag will not run on them. We have customers who have managed to do this. Any customer that has trouble getting this to work should contact our support team.  
(Version 1.1.2)

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Jul 14 2005
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ANDREAS / MITCH  A MUST:

Always check your hfs+ for errors.

Use check/repair Volume, NOT check/repair permissions, first !

Some people may have some unknown(all works, but ...) HFS+ file/structure errors, which are VERY dangerous to such tools.

So not the Tool is buggy or bad, its the little wrong file/strukture table, which tells some wrong allocated used/freespace.  
(Version 1.10)

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ANONYMOUS  Thanks for the pointer..

Works like a charm.  
(Version 1.11)

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Jul 7 2005
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NICK  What makes iDefrag great is that it can optimize and rebuild your B-Trees and it seperates what is an Application vs. what is a System file vs. what is a Journal file and so on, unlike Windows' defrag utility.

1.06 on Tiger (10.4.1), no problems.

And quote that "HFS doesn't need to be defragged" some more... while it's nice that HFS puts the file in a contiguous space, it doesn't put the file in the best place possible.  
(Version 1.06)

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ISA  I did not really like iDefrag 5 because it messed up my OS X 10.3 system. This happened twice. I am unwilling to try 6 because of what happened. Has anyone had better luck?  
(Version 1.06)

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ANONYMOUS  I've defragmented dozens of 10.2 and 10.3 (mostly 10.3) systems with iDefrag, using versions predating 1.05 and 1.06. Some early versions would throw errors, but if you used Diskwarrior, it would find only minor problems (or no problems at all).

This hasn't been a problem since at least 1.05; 1.06 and the 1.1 beta (which is BETA, repeat, is BETA- NOT RELEASE SOFTWARE) have been fine. I still recommend a Diskwarrior run on any machine before using any disk defragmenting tool- ESPECIALLY if you have journalling turned off or the machine has been acting up in any way. 10.3.5+ have a nasty little overlapping files bug that crops up fairly often, and defragmenting a drive with this problem will cause major issues.  
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Jun 11 2005
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ANONYMOUS  Actually:

http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/29/190237

"OS X 10.3 (or any builds since Darwin 7.0 Kernel) has automatic file defragmentation.

Basically, when a file is accessed, a check is made to see if it is fragmented (split into several different sectors on the Hard Drive), If so, and if it is less than 20 MB in size, the filesystem will copy the file over to a contiguous area on the HD that will hold the file in it's entirety in concurrent sectors, and then free up the HD space the fragmented version used to occupy. "  
(Version 1.06)

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ANDREAS/MITCH  Try my ShowVolumeFragmentattion /freeware, and you will see that also a lot of = 10.3 is much better than older OSX.

Have enough freespace > 20% is needed for a low fragmnented volume.  
(Version 1.10)

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Jul 14 2005

TNH  As the stated, ShowVolumeFrag will give you a much better idea of what's really going on with your filesystem.

Considering the size of most hard drives and filesizes, 20Megs was a decent limit for on the fly defragmentation. Now, it's a little less than ideal. Podcasts, a few movies, even the size of some simple desktop publishing files all can take up more than 20 Megs. If you keep a disk image on your machine this is closer to 650 Megs. Granted there's a few ratios that come into play here.

Apple has probably made a good balance of speed to size. Large files with few fragments perform much better than smaller files with similar fragments. Percentage fragmentation per file should be a benchmark when considering individual performance. If you have some podcasts you will probably have some high fragmentation to size files. If you look at the spotlight metadata stores you'll probably see a very high fragmentation. I see about 96 fragments for a 48 Meg store.

Location of files on the drive and free space are also important. I don't defrag OS X yet, but I might have to soon. Let's hope there are no serious problems w/ this app.  
(Version 1.10)

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May 26 2005

DAN  I did try this version on a disk with tiger. After I optimized it and booted from it, the cpu was really busy for a bout 20 minutes with mdimport and other stuff, things also did not boot quickly, they took a while to readjust to the new layout of the drive. I was wondering, is this normal, or is this happening because the tiger bugs haven't been worked out?  
(Version 1.06)

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JOSEPH AUSTIN  This defragmenter works beautifully, is downloaded from a British company's website, and costs 50 or 60% less than similar American products I've seen.

The only tricky bit about installing it, is that when one registers at Coriolis' website (to complete the download/get registration key), one must enter one's email address on the line marked "Organization". Starting iDefrag for the first time, I forgot to put my email address on that line, as my Mac autofilled this line with the name of my school. I couldn't figure out why the darn registration key wasn't accepted, until the friendly and very fast tech guy at Coriolis emailed me back (within an hour) to tell me how to fix my problem.

Good product, great price, excellent tech support.  
(Version 1.06)

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ANONYMOUS  Ready to buy, but one small question...

Is iDefrag System Tiger compatible?  
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ANONYMOUS  Um, people who think the mac doesn't need defrag, HDs are big, 10.3 automatically defrags, macs never have problems, and other dumbass horseshit.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

YOU DEFINATELY NEED DEFRAG. If you are creating or deleting a lot of files, working with huge bittorrents, huge games, huge graphics programs, crap will get fragmented. It doesn't matter that you have a big hard drive. Download three large files, delete the 2nd of these, and download a new large file. You now have a fragmented hard drive. And no, if the file is bigger then 20 MB, it WILL NOT automatically be defraged by OS X. It will sit there, fragmented, until you use a tool to defrag it. Plain and simple.

BTW, it drives me crazy when my fellow mac users seem to think "it just works", and put out some crap like OS X handles everything for them. Guess what? It doesn't.  
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GARBAGE  Stony silence about 10.4 support.

The developer wants to act like Microsoft or something.  
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HEH HEH  I can hear the crickets chirping.  
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Apr 29 2005
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GARBAGE  Pro's :

+works as advertised (on 10.3 at least)

Con's :

- Recent versions of MacOS (10.3, 10.4 minimise the need for this)

- cost

- time (it takes a long time)

- no real benefit seen on modern fast HDD's

- huffy attitude of the vendor (see what happens if you have trouble with their painful serial number nonsense)

The only use I found for this was defragging a boot cd disk image prior to burning it - the deragged version has a lot less seeks.

On balance considering the "we're a big important software company DONCHA KNOW" attitude & the slim benefits I would not pay for future versions.  
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SEVERIAN OF NESSUS  Works beautifully, and when I needed to email Coriolis' tech support, they emailed me back within the hour with the correct solution to my problem.

Excellent product, great price, fast and courteous tech support have been my experience thus far.

Also, iDefrag (downloaded from the UK) costs about 60% less than the American-made defragmenters for Mac I've seen at CompUSA.  
(Version 1.06)

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ADVIDATA  That's clever. I also shop around for the best price when I can buy something in different currencies.  
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ANONYMOUS  Current versions are very stable- early versions would put up scary errors, although I never lost data from them (Diskwarrior usually found nothing wrong, or if it did, it fixed it easily). I also like their laid-back attitude about licensing; you want to install it on your iPod and run around the house or company optimizing computers, that's oke-dokey with them. Bravo.

However, most recent versions are excruciatingly slow on volumes that have been in use for a while after initial defragmentation- ie, everything is mostly categorized but there are "holes" and some files out of order. A good example of this is after a week or two of use and a system update or application install. Instead of filling these "holes" in a logical or efficient manner, the entire content of the drive is shifted to fill the hole. As it shifts files, they're copied to the very end of the drive, and then back again- often when there are gigabyte-sized chunks of contiguous space.

If you uncheck the "sort classes" option- it still sorts them! Only in some different way, so it takes EVEN LONGER if you had 'sort classes' on before.

Another example- let's say some free space opened up in the application or system zone, and then you created a bunch of files, and the system put them there. Okay. So when you run iDefrag, does it just move them to where they belong? No, it optimizes the drive from the very beginning. I spent 45 minutes watching iDefrag shuffle my "system" area by a MB or so, instead of actually defragmenting the drive.

I pointed out all these problems to the developers around the start of the year. I was basically told "when we get around to it." They made the program virtually useless now (clients and I have maybe a 30-60 minute window do to maintenance. iDefrag does NOTHING USEFUL for hours on an already optimized volume!). How nice.  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS LIMITED  We are aware that this is an issue for some users—mainly those using machines with slow disks (i.e. laptop disks) who are trying to defragment more frequently than necessary.

Our position is simple; we would like to spend time making the algorithms more intelligent, and indeed we will be doing so at some point, but:

1. There are other issues that most users would consider more important and that we need to work on first (things like full Tiger compatibility).

2. Making the algorithms more complex increases the risk of bugs and requires a lot of time to test the changes.

So yes, we're only going to start making the defragmentation routines more complicated when we've finished working on our Tiger updates. Posting rants about it on MacUpdate won't get it done faster (in fact, it's likely to slow us down because we'll have to spend time answering them), and in any event, we aren't going to rush through a solution to this problem without thinking it through properly first.  
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Apr 3 2005

ANONYMOUS  I see the requirement of 10.3, which already has some automatic defrag built in. Could you please upgrade this to support 10.2.8?

Most of our agents are using older Powerbooks on that version. I read that 10.2.8 doesn't have the automatic defragmentation, so we would probably have more to gain by using this than users of 10.3.

True?

I have always loved the way the Mac shareware developers listen to their supporters. Keep up the good work.  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS LIMITED  Sorry, but we have no plans to support 10.2.8 now or at any point in the future with this product. Over 80% of users are already running OS X 10.3 or later, and with the release if 10.4 we expect that the number of users choosing to stay with 10.2 will only decrease. Given the amount of additional effort (both development and testing) required to port to 10.2, it simply isn't economically viable.  
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Apr 29 2005

RAY  Ok, here is a good reason: How about us users who are disabled, on fixed incomes, oh yes and still use jaguar. What will the Egg Heads say now???  
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May 5 2005

ANONYMOUS  Um, 10.2 automatic defrag only works for files 20 MB or smaller. So yes, you STILL need a defrag program.  
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Mar 25 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS LIMITED  There is no "Trojan Horse" code in the program, active or inactive. Yes, it will try to contact us if you try to pirate it, but that doesn't make it a Trojan Horse. We're just trying to adequately protect our hard work from theft.

As for CDs, you'll have to be patient; we are working on getting the software out on CD, but even then it's unlikely to be pre-registered as we would like to get it into stores, in boxes.  
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Mar 24 2005

ANONYMOUS  I suggest offering the program on CD with the buyer's name and address or something similar encoded into the program, and the "inactive" trojan horse code and anything else that phones home removed.

Does anyone know of an open-source program with similar functionality?  
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DAVE MARSH  I purchased a copy of this today to try it out. Symantec says they're discontinuing Norton Utilities/Speed Disk, so I'm concerned about having this future capability. While OS X does automatically defrag files less than 20MB, it doesn't do anything to rearrange files to consolidate free space.

I tried it out today on two Macs, a 600MHz iBook with a 30GB 4200 RPM HD and a 2.5GHz Dual G5 Tower with a 160GB 7200 RPM HD. The iBook had 640MB of RAM and the G5 Tower had 1GB of RAM.

On the iBook it took just over 4 hours to do a Total Defrag of a little over 7GB of stuff. The G5 Tower took about an hour and a half for a similar amount of data. The faster HD made a huge difference. Just to be fair, I was defragging the iBook in Target Disk Mode connected via FireWire to the G5. I thought this would speed things up, but I guess the limiting issue was the 400mbps connection. When defragging the tower, it had the advantage of both the faster HD and the internal 1.25GHz bus.

Norton Speed disk rarely took more than 1 1/2 hours to defrag the iBook in the past (when booted from an external FireWire drive), so I'd hope to see some speed improvements in the future with iDefrag.

I'd also like to see smaller boxes for the data blocks. With Speed Disk it's pretty easy and fast to scroll to a section of the disk to check on its progress. The iDefrag boxes are huge by comparison, and cause the scrolling to fly by the area you want to check out. The overall disk view at the bottom of the window is nice (even if it mirrors Windows' Scan Disk) for moving to a particular area of the disk, and following the overall progress, but it's the detail view in the main window that I focus on. I'd just like to have more of the disk area viewable. Perhaps a preferences option???  
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ANONYMOUS  I'm not sure if it is a drive problem Disk Utility and Disk Warrior both cannot see, or if there is a bug in reading B-tree information. I got a message about two files using the same space. The strange part was that it sounded like it was saying a file overlapped itself (same information given for both - displayed the same number about six digits long and (null)(null) or something similar twice)  
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Feb 6 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  That isn't version 1.06 (it displays a different error message under this circumstance), so please be more careful with the version number when posting comments.

If you're a paying customer, contact our technical support people and they'll be able to solve this one for you.  
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Feb 17 2005

ANONYMOUS  The version numbers shown here are entered automatically when a post is submitted, so any error wasn't the posters' fault.

This product seems to have some very well thought out features, but it seems like it is barely past beta quality as far as debugging goes. Certainly a utility to be trusted with ones' data should be held to a high standard.  
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Feb 18 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS LIMITED  Sorry, but this *isn't* a bug. It's due to a problem with the user's disk, which unfortunately can't be fixed by most of the commonly used Mac OS X disk utility products.

As for your generalisation about our product, if you are paying customer and wish to report a bug, please do so and we will endeavour to help resolve whatever problem you are having. In many cases we find that problems reported to us are in fact not bugs at all, but either hardware problems, existing filesystem corruption, or a simple misunderstanding.  
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Mar 24 2005

ANONYMOUS  I don't understand - what kind of filesystem problem doesn't even show up with the usual disk utilities? If I read the post correctly, the problem wasn't shown as unfixable by them, the disk was shown as okay. Please post more info on this so any weakness in these repair utilities can be reported to their developers.  
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Feb 3 2005

ANONYMOUS  Fragmentation in HFS Plus Volumes is worthwhile reading for anyone interested in the topic.  
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ANONYMOUS  URL was stripped from the original post, it's:

http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/apme/fragmentation  
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Feb 6 2005

ANONYMOUS  hnaks for the link, it's very interesting reading. I wonder if this degrag utility will have support for 10.x.x added. The link seems pretty strong evidence that it normally is not needed for 10.3.x:

"Conclusion

Defragmentation on HFS+ volumes should not be necessary at all, or worthwhile, in most cases, because the system seems to do a very good job of avoiding/countering fragmentation.

It is risky to defragment anyway: What if there's a power glitch? What if the system crashes? What if the defragmenting tool has a bug? What if you inadvertently reboot? In some cases, you could make the situation worse by defragmenting."  
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Feb 18 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS LIMITED  No, we won't be back-porting to OS X 10.2 or earlier. And there are plenty of reasons you might want to use our product on OS X 10.3 or later (see our website for more information).  
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Feb 2 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  There is *no* spyware code in iDefrag.

(We've put more information in a reply to our own post.)  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  There are a couple of features that people sometimes confuse with spyware (but only because they are badly informed).

First, iDefrag does contain an automatic software update feature. This doesn't send any information about you, and is only used by the product to make sure you have the latest version.

Second, if you report a bug, it will try (helpfully) to compress and attach various log files and a standard Apple System Profile report to the bug report. You can see this, because it shows you the e-mail message and you have to manually click the Send button. If you don't like what it is sending, you can remove things or edit it to your taste. Plus, the compression used is gzip, which is easy to decompress using StuffIt Expander. We will only ever use the information attached to a bug report to help to diagnose the problem and assist the user in its rectification. If the bug reporter didn't attach the information it gathers to the bug report, we would have to ask customers for it. Admittedly, we could be more selective in what we ask for, but the downside is that it would take a lot longer to resolve customer problems. We think most paying customers would prefer to have their difficulties resolved swiftly.

The thing that is attracting most of these comments, however, is an anti-piracy feature. If you enter a pirated registration code, the program will attempt to contact us to inform us. This only affects people who try to pirate the software, and (unsurprisingly) it's that group of people who are complaining most vociferously about it, trying to scare people who really don't have anything to worry about (remember, if you buy our software, you already give us your name and contact details when you make your purchase... and I'm sure most customers realise that it is perfectly reasonable for us to know who we are doing business with, not least because we need this information for tax and billing purposes).

So, whilst we apologise for the length of this post, we make no apologies for our stance on software piracy. Software piracy is theft. If you are trying to steal from us, we have a right to defend ourselves from that. In the physical world, people lock their houses, install alarms and even closed circuit television. You don't see thieves claiming that this is all unfair and that they should be allowed to steal without the property owner knowing who did it, so why do you think it's OK for you to complain about the equivalent in the digital world? Of course, the difference is that real criminals are often more grown up about admitting when they have done wrong (not always, but often), whereas software pirates seem to be nothing more than childish crybabies who can't take it when they get caught and try to use FUD to harm us developers so that we remove the features of our products that are preventing them from stealing with impunity.

Imagine a world where bank robbers stood outside banks telling customers to boycott their banks because the CCTV was an infringement of their privacy. That's what software pirates are trying to do to developers. They're trying to fool you into thinking that we're trying to infringe your privacy, so that they get their way and software is easy to steal. What they can't answer, though, is why we would want to do this? We don't care about you, your computer, the name of your dog or what you had for breakfast yesterday. We don't care what software is on your machine, either. Unless you have pirated our software (in which case we need information to identify you), or you are having a problem with our software (in which case we need information to help you), we really have no interest whatsoever.  
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Feb 5 2005

ANONYMOUS  Call it like you want, it IS a spyware if it calls home without telling the user. This is bad, not only for pirates.

If I PAY (!!!) for an application I don't want it to spy me like a criminal and send stuff.

Then who cares about this post about piracy and bank robbers? This is not the true problem. iDefrag is pretty useless and it is dangerous because it moves files and sometimes it bugs, it can damage files.

About bank robbers: imagine a gun that explode in hand when the cop (the good guy) try to stop the bank robber (the bad guy). This is how your software behaves.

I've bought it, it is not stable, I won't use it anymore. My 2c  
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Feb 5 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  It doesn't try to call home without telling the user, unless you enter a pirated registration key. So it *is* only bad for pirates. Paying customers don't enter pirated keys.

As for your other remarks, there is no way to tell which version you are talking about, let alone anything else. For all we can tell, you could just be trying to FUD the product because you got caught pirating it. Equally, you could be talking about a bug that no longer exists, or your problem could have been caused by existing disk corruption. We don't have any information to distinguish these possibilities, and neither does anyone reading your posts.  
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Feb 6 2005

ANONYMOUS  Hmmm, so the developer has decided that search and seizure of information on the end users computer is his job, not that of law enforcement (with due authority from a judge). How convenient.

I wonder how many tenants would be upset if they found that their landlords had, without their consent, installed "turned off" pinhole cameras in their apartments?

Since the developer is so certain that no honest person should object to his fully justified choices, surely this developer has nothing to hide and would be willing to tell us EXACTLY what information is gathered and sent.

Information on another site said something about creating a .zip file and emailing it without user intervention. It this ever done? To avoid any FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) surely the developer with tell us exactly what the code we're considing installing is designed to do. Code with one identified purpose that has another undisclosed is considered a Trojan Horse. But that definition would not apply if there is full disclosure.  
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Feb 6 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  Look, it's very simple. Nobody should ever run the code in question, because nobody should have an illegal copy of the software. So the code doesn't do anything. People don't pirate software, right? (Well, that's what people keep telling us... apparently, we're just paranoid and the large number of messages we get from our software as a result of people trying to pirate it are obviously just a figment of our imagination.)

Nor is iDefrag a Trojan Horse. The definition of a Trojan Horse is *malicious* code dressed up as something else. Just as "spyware" means code that gathers information for advertising, spam or criminal purposes. We won't be using software pirates' details for any of those purposes, and we won't be passing them to any third parties (except maybe our lawyers and the court system).

As for the information contained in the messages that we shouldn't be receiving, they contain information we can use to identify and contact the cheeky individuals or companies trying to pirate our software. If those people choose to purchase our software, we'll delete their details. Otherwise, we'll be contacting them in due course.  
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MITCH  hello,

I have not used yet idefrag, and understand the developer's concern for piracy. Surely they must do whatever they can to prevent this copyright infringement (using a pirated serial is not theft, as a material property does not exchange hands) that deprieves the customers from a better product and the company of their bread because of lost sales. But the last posts from the developer scared me a little bit: I do not think you should push it as far as saying "there is no code, since it shouldn't be run" and think you should explain what the app sends as personal information, even in the case of a pirated serial. You cannot use the techniques of criminals in order to fight them, or else you will lose your customer's confidence. Also, I completely disagree with the method outlined in the last post: "once we have that information, if the customer buys our product, we delete it, otherwise, they will hear from us" To me this is extortion. I believe you should politely contact the infringing party and ask them to delete the product, notify them of their act. Most people do not think it is bad and need to be educated, not punished. In case of bad faith or continued bad behaviour, then the authorities should be called.  
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Mar 7 2005

JOSEPH THE EGYPTIAN  When you put the word no in quotes, as in 'There is "no" spyware in this program', you should be aware that in standard English usage, this use of what English (and philosophy) majors call "scare quotes" is generally understood to imply sarcasm or irony. For example, a "competent" mechanic is one who describes himself as competent, though no one else thinks of him that way. If I say there is "no" spyware in Windows, it's generally understood that (as indicated by the quotes) I mean "yeah, right, sure there isn't".

If you say simply, on the other hand, "There is no spyware in this program" (no quotes), then we know that you are stating a fact, rather than a rumor, an opinion or a dubious assertion. If there's no spyware in the program, then say so. The above response is unintentionally ambiguous and vague (thank the Republicans for driving English majors out of teacher education programs and into pre-law programs. Now you know why the menus at chain restaurants feature large photographs of each dish, so that the illiterate need not be embarrassed).  
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Jun 10 2005

ANONYMOUS  It's not in quotes, it's surrounded by asterisks; the author was trying to emphasise the word "no".  
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Jun 22 2005

JAMES RAE SMITH  I am not connected with the developers in any shape or form. Neither do I own or have I used this product. I am just someone reading this little debate.

While the tactics the developers are using to prevent piracy may be unusual, I really don't understand what makes you people so antsy about this. I just cannot understand why some people think they have some God given right to steal software, and even more than that what gives them the gall to adopt such a holier-than-thou self righteous tone when defending it. In the end theft is theft, and trying to catch thieves is good for all of us who pay up.

The only suggestion I would give the developers is that perhaps their software might display a warning message before the entry screens for the serial number appears as to the consequences of entering a pirated number. Otherwise hooray for them.  
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Feb 2 2005

ANONYMOUS  Tell the truth! There is spyware code in iDefrag that is designed to send confidential user data that has nothing to do with iDefrag. This code may not be active all the time, but it is there. It seems to me that this is installing a security vulnerability. Someone with lower-level access could enter a serial number found on the net, then monitor traffic on the machine sniffng out such things as names of applications that are supposed to be kept secret under non-disclosure agreements etc.

It is unthinkable that an application the requires aan admin passowrd to run have such code. If you're going to devote coding time to such things instead of fixes bugs, you could have at least found a more reasonable solution. Play embarassing wierd sounds at random if there's a bad serial number. Flash things on the screen. But don't EVER EVER put in spyware/trojan code.

If you were in retail would you put poison capsules in food, safely digestable a "shoplift" signal was picked up by a RFID chip? You could argue all you wanted that it only affected the shoplifter. If the rest of the people would accept it WHY TRY TO KEEP IT A SECRET????  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  iDefrag does not "phone home". There is a software update mechanism, which might be confusing the tinfoil hat brigade into thinking that it does (but you can turn that off).  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  Of course, we should also say that there is a mechanism by which it might try to phone home if you enter a pirated serial number.  
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Feb 3 2005

LOFIDELITY  Wow...do mind if I steal the phrase "tin foil hat brigade" from you? It's suprisingly suitable for these nuts who if they are worried should actually just buy it...or not have internet maybe?  
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Feb 2 2005
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LOU KASH  The demo crashes on reading a partition (2 GB). Not ready yet...

The features would be good. I'd like to see some of it in TechTool Pro as well. But at this time, TechTool Pro is still the winner because it works as expected and it's highly reliable (when comparing the defrag tool).  
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Feb 2 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  If the demo really is crashing, please tell us about it. It's more likely, however, that it's refusing to read your disk because the disk is corrupted in some interesting way.  
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Feb 3 2005

LOU KASH  First, thanks to the developer for replying here.

The demo crashed sort of "in background", i.e. I got a crash report window but the application itself kept on running while a graphical CPU monitor showed that a process made the CPU (iBook G3/700) very busy. But I didn't check the Activity Monitor for more details.

The partition itself is 2GB size, with a bootable OS 9 System on it (fully working, I had just used it a couple of days ago), it's on the internal 20GB HD of the iBook. It's quite full (only about 100MB free space) but it's being regularly maintained with Disk Utility, DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro, so there are definitely no problems with it.

Anyway, in the meantime I have deleted iDefrag (incl. its crash log) from my computer but I might check it out again in the future.

Regarding the paranoid comments from other users about iDefrag phoning home:

Folks, get a life!

If you're really THAT paranoid perhaps you should stop using computers at all in the first place. Also, contact your personal shrink immediatelly...  
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Feb 2 2005

ANONYMOUS  Crashed on trying to read my drive. Sorry, but this is not how you instill trust with such a delicate matter as a HD. Any slight speed improvement is not worth the 48 full on hours to reinstall all my stuff. Tech Tool sucks, Norton definitley sucks and this needs to at least read my drive before crashing.   
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  If it is crashing, please send us a crash log. If it is just displaying an error message (more likely), then we would still be interested to hear from you, although that isn't really a crash.

In either case, the most likely cause is some sort of pre-existing disk corruption.  
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Feb 1 2005
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ANDREAS  Great Tool. Even under Panther, which has some very dump defrag automatism.

But only such tool can defrag FREE SPACE, which Panther never defrag.

No problem if much free space alvailable (> 30 GB normal work, > 50 GB videoedit), but usefull if there is less "free space".

The information OS X gives about "free space" doesnt say anything about how big are the larger no fragmentet free space.

A maybe 10 GB "freepsace" maybe only give one big space > 2 GB and a lot of fragments lower 100 MB.

You can show that with the freeware hfsdebug.

I use this tool (payed at Version 1.6) and had no problems at all. I EVER check the disk before defraging it !  
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Feb 1 2005

ANONYMOUS  100 MB demo limit?

Exactly on what disk can I demo this software?  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  You can use a disk image, a Zip-100 disk or a variety of other small media.  
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Feb 1 2005

CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  Plus you can also use it to view larger disks, it just won't defrag them.  
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Feb 1 2005

RAY  does it work with 10.2.8 ????  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  Sorry, no. It only works on OS X 10.3 and later.  
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BOB  I agree! Why don't you just have a limited-use trial demo, instead of NO use?? I have no more use for 100MB Zip disks.  
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Jan 12 2005

MCPHEARSOM  I have a question to the devlopers and really to Apple. If you keep an iPod defragmented, reducing the amount of work it does when accessing files, does it improve the battery life?

Just a thought...  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  We aren't experts on iPod hardware, but we would imagine that having a defragmented disk would improve battery life, yes, since it should result in less disk head movement. Having said that, I wouldn't like to speculate how large the improvement might be (I don't imagine that iPods access the disk a great deal during playback, so it might only be a very small gain).  
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Feb 1 2005

ANONYMOUS  the hard drive life loss from the hammering it would get during the defrag process would far outweigh any battery-life gain.  
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ANONYMOUS  If you don't update the iPod every day and don't use it as a hard drive, it's hard to see how its fragmentation would become significant.  
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Feb 1 2005

ANONYMOUS  Besides, doesn't an iPod have a flash disk, and defrag utilities are more for those round things in our computers?

Fragmented flash memory probably isn't as big of a deal. Kind of like RAM, it gets fragmented, but I don't think it causes as much of a performance drop as a hard drive.  
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Feb 1 2005

ANONYMOUS  The iPod has never had a flash disk until the appearance of the iPod shuffle. Every other iPod ever made (iPod, mini, photo, U2) has a hard disk in it.

Anyway, defragging is unlikely to help an iPod. The iPod only accesses the disk to load songs into RAM. Then the disk sleeps to save battery. Any savings from defragging would be miniscule. Why are users so obsessed with defragging?

http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-686.html#lnk3  
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ANONYMOUS  Defragging an iPod is likely to help very little. The iPod spins its drive up briefly to load music to RAM, then the drive sits idle. The two ways to significantly extend battery life are to avoid excessively high bitrates (allowing more music in RAM) and to replace the battery with a higher capacity type. AAC gives better quality at a given bitrate, and most feel the quality of AACs at 128K (as Apple sells) is very good. Those using 320K MP3's will get much shorter battery life. OWC sells some replacement batteries for the first few generations of iPods. I believe some for the first model can run over 20 hours.

I think this defrag utility would be most helpful for things like reading large disc image files at maximum speed, which maybe be important when burning CD's or DVD's at high speeds. With buffer-underrun protection this isn't so critical. In the past, fragmented sources files from a drive that usually worked were often the cause of buffer underruns. OS X doesn't defrag the free space, so when a large file is written it can end up being very fragmented as it fills in the holes.  
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Jan 12 2005
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MCPHEARSOM  The best just got better. All it needs now is for the graph to let you see which file each individual block is part of like Norton Utilities does.  
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CORIOLIS SYSTEMS  It already does let you see which file each block is part of; bring-up the Info panel and position your mouse pointer over a block to see what's under the pointer, or click on a block to select the associated file.  
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MCPHEARSOM  Thanks for pointing that out, now I can see what the fragmented files actually are, how big they are and can delete them myself.  
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Jan 11 2005

SOUTHPAW  Not to rain on anyone's parade, but while Defraging will speed up your computer in many cases, the actual hard drive speed matters as well.

Let me explain. Many of Apple's computer lines, such as the eMac, iBook, and PowerBook are using 4200rpm hard drives when you purchase them. (rpm - revolutions per minute ; higher is generally significantly faster) With only the exception of the PowerBook, you have no other hard drive options at purchase. (through the Apple online store you can customize a powerbooks hard drive to 5400rpm before purchase) If you upgrade correctly from a 4200rpm hard drive to a 7200rpm hard drive, you're speed will go up significantly, and permanently.

Defragment programs organize your files, making more efficient access, which makes a faster computer... at least until it needs to be defragmented again. So, a defragment program is a temporary solution, as you will have to run it every so often.

Combining both of these solutions is the best choice, if you have the resources for both.   
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SPEEDING_ANT  actually the emac is using 5400 rpm hard drives. I customized mine to 7200 rpm 160gb instead of the 5400 rpm 40gb stock one. The speed does count, but so does the size, and how much you use the Hard drive. If you constantly do video editing, chances are that your hard drive is muddled to hell. But with Mac OS X, it has excellent hard drive management... there are only a select few that have problems with needing to defrag.   
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Jan 12 2005

SPEEDING_ANT  actually the emac is using 5400 rpm hard drives. I customized mine to 7200 rpm 160gb instead of the 5400 rpm 40gb stock one. The speed does count, but so does the size, and how much you use the Hard drive. If you constantly do video editing, chances are that your hard drive is muddled to hell. But with Mac OS X, it has excellent hard drive management... there are only a select few that have problems with needing to defrag.

It does the job  
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Jan 12 2005

SJK  The 160GB drive in my BTO eMac is 7200rpm and is generally faster than the one in my iMac G5.  
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Jan 13 2005

ANONYMOUS  Another VERY important point to keep in mind, when you want to speed up your Mac: the more RAM, the better! Many older machines came with 128MB, which means OS X is constantly forced to use virtual RAM. And world's fastest HD won't be as fast as true RAM.  
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Jan 18 2005

SOUTHPAW  I agree... virtual ram is a horrible thing. It may get you by, but it'll hurt ya in any any kind of productivity if you're leaning on it.

As far as the emac, unfortunately 4200rpm was all I could assume, as it said ultra ata/100 controller, and gives no information about the actually speed of the drive in the tech specs, as it does in the powerbook specs and ibook specs. Logically, assuming that apple would continue their tradition of saving money in cutting video card memory and using slow hard drives, 4200rpm seemed to be the best conclusion. It was a bad assumption on the speed of the drive since I couldn't verify it, even though with the standard being 5400rpm that still kinda keeps to the norm of apple saving money on hard drive speed. I apologize for the misinformation. Thank you also for the information that the 160gb upgrade on apples online store is a 7200rpm drive, that's good to know.   
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Jan 23 2005

BIGPOPPA  This is why I have using Fujitsu 15K SCSI drives in my old world 9600...NOTHING beats them for speed. NOt a cheap option but they are SOOOOO sweet!  
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Feb 1 2005

ANONYMOUS  Speeding up a laptop with a faster drive sounds appealing, but remember that many faster drives draw more current (= shorter battery runtime) and many make more noise. Apple is actually pretty good about making these tradeoffs. Be sure to check all specs before upgrading as you may sacrifice one characteristic to improve another.

Adding RAM speeds up a system and reduces power consumption by reducing use of virtual memory swap files and providing more disc cache.

Considering that much of the job of handling fragmentation is already done by OS X automatically, I have to wonder if any speedup from regularly running this utility ever comes close to saving as much time as it took to run it.

While I'd like to use this, I don't think I'll ever allow a utility with a spyware component on any machine I administer. Phoning home with data listing drive contents may seem like no big deal to some, but I put it on par with date-rape. When I give trust and enter an admin password to run something it had better damn well not be doing anything extra without my permission. For some here, even sending filenames would violate non-disclosure agreements. Such information could be picked up by others in transit, and who knows what could happen if a company goes broke.

(There was discussion of this on that other, less desirable, update tracking site)

While windows users may be somewhat used to software with some spyware, trojan, or adware component, I believe that Mac users generally won't put up with that cr@#.   
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Jan 10 2005

KISSKISS  Does iDefrag construct a graph to let you see how much your HD is fragmented? You know, like DiskWarrior did with their Plus Optimizer. A graph is good as it lets you do a Before and After to see how well the app performed.  
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