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Sep 11 2009

MPANGASA  Okay for some reason it appears the website www.opticalalchemy.com is down -- Google search results say the site has a virus and warns against navigating to www.opticalalchemy.com/about.html or /products.html.

When going to www.opticalalchemy.com directly am taken to a page saying the site is under construction or to a military contractor website.

Mark, if you can shed some light on what is happening asap that would be great.  
(Version 2.1)

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Aug 8 2008

LENRDZELIG  Anyone know if they are going to update this, or if there is another visualizer that does what Jewel Case does? I like this visualizer best hands down for my workplace. But, it seems that the current version of iTunes causes Jewel Case to crash approx. 5 days after install. When I go to turn the visualizer on, it will open safari and attempt to open the preference page over and over and over, and I can't close it down. My system becomes unstable and I'm forced to force quit iTunes.

I attempted to contact Optical Alchemy several times about this, but they never respond. I guess they got my money and don't care.  
(Version 2.1)

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Apr 27 2009

CHLOE  There is a newer version (v2.1.1 as of this writing) of JewelCase available for download on the author's website: www.opticalalchemy.com

This is the release notes for version 2.1.1 according to the website:

- iTunes 8.1 Compatible

- Intel Mac Support

- Improved Song Lyrics

- Random Layouts & Fonts

So, maybe you could give it another try, as it appears to be compatible with the current version of iTunes.  
(Version 2.1)

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Aug 31 2007

SCHMELDING  Loved it when it was free. Ain't paying $10 for it -- overpriced. $2 is more reasonable for what it does, IMHO.  
(Version 2.1)

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Feb 20 2007

EJ1  Audio momentarily drops out when album art is first sweeping onto the screen. Face of album spins much faster than the back.

The last version always caused iTunes 7 to crash on my 800mhz iMac G4, this version runs good except as noted above.

Nice eyecandy.  
(Version 2.0.1)

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Feb 21 2007

JEWELCASE  Let's solve this one.

Send me an email:

mark@opticalalachemy.com

so we can figure it out.

-Mark  
(Version 2.0.1)

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Feb 19 2007

JEWELCASE  IntelMac Support

Now in JewelCase 2.0 !

:)

-Mark  
(Version 2.0)

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May 21 2006
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BLAUGHLIN  Great plugin, is it coming to intel Macs?  
(Version 1.8)

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Feb 19 2007

JEWELCASE  IntelMac Support

Now in JewelCase 2.0 !

:)

-Mark  
(Version 2.0)

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Mar 24 2006
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DMETZCHER  Great plugin. The text that displays the album, artist, and song info to the right of the CD (by default) is very tiny and blurry, but this is still a great addition iTunes. This feature should have been included with iTunes in the first place, and I'm glad someone wrote it.  
(Version 1.8)

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Oct 3 2005
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STARTYGER  Works with iTunes 5 here! wow! lol. iTunes plug-ins are great! lol Eyedrophene! Kaleidostrobe! JewelCase, the app(soon to be plug in) that lets you flip through the covers!!!!, plus so many others even Apple's is great! has anyone tried to project any of these? i want to have a party with friends.. even a dinner! with these as a back drop! wow!! lol this one is great! opengl is great...... aw man i'm just melting... i love the way it places the cover art in the CD case.... track listing... which track is playing... next great thing would be to open the case... and show the lyrics, now that iTunes 5 supports lyrics for the tracks! awww i'm falling in love with iTunes and these plug ins... this.. this put me over the top again! wow... it's so clear!

C'mon now... stop spending the money on illegal substances... just use iTunes plug ins... keep your mind, job, family... and just feel iHappy!  
(Version 1.8)

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Sep 29 2005

ANONYMOUS  Does not seem to work with iTunes 5. Has anyone been able to get it to work with iTunes 5?  
(Version 1.8)

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Jul 22 2005

ANONYMOUS  For album information listed on the back, could it simply draw that from the album? It seems right now it looks for songs on the same album AND same artist (not every album has one artist).  
(Version 1.8)

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May 17 2005
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KARL BECKER  Awesome visualizer, I absolutely love it!

I agree, that if there is multiple artworks with a song, could it display the second (or even third or fourth) picture on the back of the CD?

If there are more than two or three songs, what about a picture in the background flying by occasionally with the third or more pictures on it?

(also, I can see why some people would want an installer, but I'm *very* glad you gave a URL to download the bundle by itself - thanks for being a pro-user friendly developer!)  
(Version 1.8)

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May 15 2005
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SAL  Wow, thanks for such a great plug-in, it's so professionally done, as a suggestion, it would be cool if a secondary picture would be shown as a back cover instead of a blurred front cover, of course for those songs with two or more pictures stored.  
(Version 1.8)

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May 14 2005

TOURNESOL  The plugin is awsome, but it slows my computer really really bad. That didn't happen with 1.7 on Panther. I have a 1.5Ghz G4 and 768 mb ram.  
(Version 1.8)

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May 14 2005

DORKUS MALORKUS  Very very cool. Doesn't support Japanese ID3 tags yet, just lists "?????". How am I supposed to tell who's singing which track on my Katamari Damacy soundtrack album???  
(Version 1.8)

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May 13 2005

ANONYMOUS  REALLY AMAZING !!! KUDDOS !  
(Version 1.8)

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May 13 2005
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KINGSTER  About as cool as cool gets!

Kudos to the developer for making it and double love for making it FREE!  
(Version 1.8)

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May 1 2005
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GORDYMAC  Oh my GOD!!!

This is really a great plugin.

Thanks guys!  
(Version 1.7.1)

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Apr 26 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  I have replaced the 1.7 release with a new installer with corrections:

Download:

http://www.opticalalchemy.com/download/JewelCase_1.7.dmg

(The main link now points to the fixed version.)

Please give it a try it, and let me know if you have any problems.

My apologies for any inconvenience.

Also, there is a plug-in without installer:

http://www.opticalalchemy.com/download/JewelCase_1.7_Plugin.sit

-Mark Buchanan

mark@opticalalchemy.com   
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 27 2005

BORIS  new installer work perfectly on my G4 and my ibook G3 with mac os 10.3.9

thank you  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 26 2005
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LUCIANO  Astounding! Really amazing.

The first time I ran this pluging, I asked myself Where did it get the covers? They're better than the originals!

Definitely the best itunes pluging.  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

ANONYMOUS  awesome! really fun! thank you!  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005
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HACKONO  Really Cool ! wish it wouldnt make such a load noise in my G5 Processor. A Screensaver Version would be Sensational.  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

BORIS  installation work after i restart on a volume with tiger.

Installation worked on a disc starting under tiger.

But, I dont understand, this disc is a clone of my system 10.3, on which I do an update install of Tiger  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005
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SSP  Pretty and free. What more can you ask?

Even runs on my old TiBook with just 8MB of video memory, although that's not officially supported.  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

ANDY  1.7 breaks during installation for me also. Shows that I can not install on any volumes.

10.3.9

400 MHz G4

640 MB memory

16 MB ATY Rage128 video  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

BORIS  the package don't want to installe jewaelcase on my device (it can't be selected).

Problem is same on my ibook G3 and powermac G4

i'm using mac os 10.3.9 and itunes 4.7.1  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Find /Library/Receipt/JewelCase.pkg

and delete it.

Then install JewelCase 1.7

Sorry 'bout the inconvenience.

We are working on this problem presently.

email me if you have any problems:

mark@opticalalchemy.com  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005

ANONYMOUS  doesn't install on a G4Dual with 10.3.9 either. even when I'm admin.  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 25 2005
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SCHMELDING  It rawks. If only it came as a screensaver (hint-hint).  
(Version 1.7)

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Apr 5 2005
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JOHN   Quite possibly the niftiest iTunes plug-in ever! I just happened across this a couple of days ago and I'm in LOVE with it. Runs beautifully on my G4/533 DP and G5/DP, but it labors badly on my FP iMac/800. Seems to crash randomly on all machines and so far, the crash log has not provided consistent clues as to why.

Nevertheless, this is just a stunning piece of visual eye candy and unlike anything I've ever seen or imagined possible. I would strongly encourage the developer(s) to stay at it and see what can be done about stability and performance on slower Macs, and I would also encourage all iTune fans to give this FREE puppy a tumble. Absolutely first-rate toy at a price that cannot be beat. Thank you!  
(Version 1.6)

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Apr 6 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Hi John-

Thanks for the praise, much appreciated :)

In contrast to previous versions,

we've getting effectively zero reports of crashing

behavior for 1.6... so if you're getting crashes,

then I definitely want to know.

Send me an email, and I will fix it for you.

Cheers-

-Mark Buchanan

mark@opticalalchemy.com  
(Version 1.6)

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Mar 14 2005
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ANONYMOUS  WHOW!! Incredible little app. Best I´ve ever seen for iTunes. Smart integrated, I love such programmers. And (unbelievible) it´s for free. A MUST TRY !!!  
(Version 1.6)

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Mar 8 2005
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D!  First of all: a very nice app.

Here are my mac's features: 800Mhz PowerPC G3; 128 MB; 18 GB diskspace:

1. At the end of a song the cover is changing. That's all OK, but until the appearance of the cover of the next song dures about 10 seconds in general while the song struggles and interrupts several times due to cover loading. A bug to be fixed as soon as possible!

2. The playlists of the back covers are either incomplete or list songs of other albums. (For example, I got an album called "Live!" by Bob Marley and an album called "Get Down Live!" by KC and the Sunshine Band. When I play a KC song, the playlist gets mixed with Marley songs) A bug to be fixed in the near future.

3. There are the options to see on the back cover a) just the song name, b) song name and track number, and c) song name, track number and running time. But there's no option to have just the song name and the running time. A feature to be included, if possible.

4. The loading time of the covers are quite OK, but when a song has no cover image in the iTunes cover box in the lower-left part of the iTunes window and I activate JewelCase, then the loading time of a one-color cover is very long. After deactivating JewelCase, iTunes goes on much slower than it did before activating JewelCase. An annoying bug to be fixed as soon as possible.

Overall, I must say, JewelCase has had a very good beginning, but for me it's important to see these 4 bug observations being fixed. Then, I'd say the plug-in is really an useful funny thing. I hope the developers are going to fix these bugs soon.  
(Version 1.6)

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Feb 7 2005
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SVEN SIEMSEN  This is awesome! Great! Thanks!

However, I would LOVE this thing to work fullscreen on a 2nd display while working with iTunes on the 1st.  
(Version 1.6)

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Feb 4 2005
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KIT  This little plug-in is just incredible!

It's not useful, and it's not practical, but I'll be darned if it's not awesome.

It shows (in place of the songs and source sections, much the same as a large visualisation) a 3D render of a jewelcase filled with the album art you have in your library for that song.

The textures are very realistic, with the front and back plastic reflecting very much as a real case does, and viewed from either the front or the back, there's a realistic gap where the sides' plastic shows through. The whole case looks very, very realistic, yet renders very quickly for each song (no more than two seconds, including gathering all the song titles on that album on my 1GHz PowerBook G4).

The interface is fully customisable, which is nice; the CD case and accompanying text can be scaled with a simple slider, and all the fonts and blurs are editable.

All in all, a very worthwhile download.

The developer is also supremely responsive when it comes to suggestions!

The only reason it didn't get a 5 for features is that it's not DESIGNED to be feature-packed. It's a plug-in. And a truly extraordinary one too!  
(Version 1.6)

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Feb 1 2005
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RET  Can you give 6 out of 5 ?

I think this is the best concept and execution of an iTunes Visualiser plug-in I've ever seen, and I've downloaded a few...  
(Version 1.6)

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Feb 1 2005

MAXIM  great product, but unfortunately does not support unicode, as my files with Russian tags show up as question marks :(  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 27 2005
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DJDARLEK  I'm probably going to get shot down for suggesting this in light of the whole 'MenuCalendar' fiasco - but this software really could be worth some cash to the developer (or at least until Apple pinches the idea for iTunes 5). The developer is definately making a lot of friends providing this for free - but with a little work at getting automated artwork from the internet for all sides of the CD case i'd happily throw a few quid his way. At the very least he should turn this into donation-ware.

All in all - GREAT PRODUCT!  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 27 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  djdarlek-

Thanks for the praise. Much appreciated.

We are indeed moving in the donation-ware direction. I hope apple contacts us before "pinching the idea for iTunes 5" :)

The automated artwork download is high on our list... but the next big product is really exciting

(details withheld ;) Hopefully we can get the company off the ground enough to focus on

our next offering.

Again Thanks a bunch.

-Mark Buchanan  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 26 2005
*****

TOM K  Simple, elegant, familiar & novel, ENJOYABLE! This iTunes visualizer really works for me.  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 24 2005
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TIMMYZ  This has got to be the coolest visualizer that I've seen for iTunes yet. Great work!  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 24 2005
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LEFLY  The best feature of this gem must be this:

Minimize the iTunes main window to the smallest possible size (using the green button and resizing the controls as small as possible). Play a song, and hit ctrl-A. This brings up JewelBox's 'About' window. In there, click the small 'pearl' button in the lower right corner...

Kewl!  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 29 2005

ANONYMOUS  You found it! ;)  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 24 2005
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CHROMATIC  WOW ... O.O

i just want to drop a note cause the work you did really is great ^_^

its the best plug i ever seen for using cover in itune, it really look so cool :D

thank you thank you thank you ^_^

It really is great for me as i listen mostly Asian Pop music and 90% of the time i dont have the original CDs... so with your plugin its allmost like having them haha ... thank you i love it ^^  
(Version 1.6)

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Jan 21 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  New Version 1.5.2

is linked to download

"Copy Tracks" bug fixed.

Improved Stability.

JewelCase Menu removable.

Faster Transitions.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

ANONYMOUS  Concerned with program. Everytime I have the program on it duplicates each of the songs from the album that was playing. How do you de-install the program??  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

ANONYMOUS  those are some weird symptoms. you can uninstall by trashing ~/Library/iTunes/iTunes Plug-ins/JewelCase.bundle  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Also there is an un-installer in the

JewelCase Preferences:

menu JewelCase->Preferences

Troubleshooter Triange (lower left)

UnInstall.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

SINCLAIR  Mark,

Any suggestions on why the program would cause my songs to duplicate? I've been using iTunes for over 3 years and have about 7,000 songs. All my songs are on an external HD. Is there a fix? I really like the concept of the app.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 14 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Just saw the bug myself on my system...

yuk and sorry.

The reason this happens is.

I used a trick (ok a hack) to get the

songlist fast: re-import the tracks

for the album is the only way to get

iTunes to give up the track names

quickly.

I did a applescript search before but

transition times were slow, 10 seconds

on some large libraries... so i did the above

hack and .5 second transitions with no dependency

on library size...

my system started doing this because i reset

the iTunes Preferences Advanced

iTunes Music folder location: back to default,

instead of on my other drive where the music is.

If you make sure that the iTunes Music folder

location Preference is set where your music really

is, the "copy" that happens should be silent

(no dialog) and harmless (no actual duplication

of songs)...

My appologies,

and I will be looking for a better solution.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 14 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Just saw the bug myself on my system...

yuk and sorry.

The reason this happens is.

I used a trick (ok a hack) to get the

songlist fast: re-import the tracks

for the album is the only way to get

iTunes to give up the track names

quickly.

I did a applescript search before but

transition times were slow, 10 seconds

on some large libraries... so i did the above

hack and .5 second transitions with no dependency

on library size...

my system started doing this because i reset

the iTunes Preferences Advanced

iTunes Music folder location: back to default,

instead of on my other drive where the music is.

If you make sure that the iTunes Music folder

location Preference is set where your music really

is, the "copy" that happens should be silent

(no dialog) and harmless (no actual duplication

of songs)...

My appologies,

and I will be looking for a better solution.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 21 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  "Copy Tracks" Bug fixed.

Try out the new download JewelCase 1.5.2  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 12 2005
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SCHMELDING  JewelCase, will you marry me?  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  well i am single... lol! ;)  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 11 2005
*****

ANONYMOUS  Amazing!  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Thanks!

Glad you're enjoying it!  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 11 2005
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AMBITIOUSLEMON  Nifty iTunes visualizer. Only problem I have with it is that it doesn't load cover art from iTunes and its auto lookup isn't very good. I've added cover art to most of my songs, but most still show up without covert art in this visualizer. When it does correctly find cover art it is quite stunning. I'd love to see it use art from http://www.coverkingdom.net/ so that we could have front, back, side, inside, and CD artwork all available.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  JewelCase only loads cover art from iTunes.

JewelCase has no auto lookup function at this point.

If the cover appears in the iTunes Artwork window, then it should also appear in JewelCase.

There is a known bug however:

Artwork originally imported with iTunes 3 or 2 will not show up in JewelCase.

Workaround: re-import cover art using iTunes 4.

Working on the real fix.

"so that we could have front, back, side, inside"

Agreed! Couldn't get coverkingdom to work for me

though... any tips?  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 10 2005
*****

IVAN  this must qualify as the best app oif the year.The answer to a prayer for anyone who likes something solid to go with their mp3s.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Great Quote!

Thanks!!! :)  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 10 2005
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ANONYMOUS  Too f---ing cool! I love it!  
(Version 1.5)

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MARK BUCHANAN  Thanks a bunch!

Enjoy :)  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 10 2005
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CYBERDYNE  WOW ! This is a great idea.

Unfortunately, I experienced the same problem than "anonymous" below. JewelCase "went out to lunch" and never came back - perhaps trying to find artwork for an album or something? Spinning beachball, iTunes unresponsive..." and a few seconds later, iTunes crashes.

This happens every 3 or 4 songs, so, unusable for me :-(  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  JewelCase is sensitive to Library organization.

Few things you can try:

iTunes Preferences:

Copy files to iTunes Music folder.

Keep iTunes Music Folder organized.

JewelCase Options:

Songlist: single (that should fix it)

Send me an email and we'll fix it for ya.

You'll like it better when its working ;)

mark@opticalalchemy.com  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 10 2005
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PAUL LIEBER  Wow. I feel the same way about this as when I first bought my GForce Gold license. This is splendid work.  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Thanks.

Glad you're enjoying it.  
(Version 1.5)

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Dec 15 2004
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GERAINT  Downloaded it th other day and it is superb, can't stop playing with it. Works great and a must for anyone with iTunes. Great work, Thankyou very much.  
(Version 1.4)

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Dec 16 2004

ANONYMOUS  Thanks for the great review.

Much appreciated.

So glad you're enjoying it.

...got any feature wishes...

-Mark  
(Version 1.4)

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Dec 14 2004
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VITALY CITOVSKY  regarding my previous comment about inability to see coverart in files generated with itunes prior to v.4, it can be circumvented by repasting images into these older files  
(Version 1.4)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  Still working on this issue.

Vitaly- thanks for debugging this with me.  
(Version 1.5)

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Dec 13 2004

MARK  John-

It's true drag-n-drop install is the standard.

But in this case an installer was necessary

to support the "Send to a Friend" feature.

Also we figure that not everybody knows

how to navigate to ~/Library/iTunes Plug-ins

and copy plugin to there.

-Mark  
(Version 1.4)

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JLARO  "Also we figure that not everybody knows how to navigate to ~/Library/iTunes Plug-ins and copy plugin to there."

Well, those who use G-Force, WhiteCap, GasLight and other visualizers certainly know how to do it. Also I like to put mine in the System's Library so they are available to all users.

Anyway, the installer doesn't do it for me. Maybe because ~/Library/iTunes Plug-ins doesn't exist or ~/Library/iTunes is an alias. There's no trace of JewelCase anywhere except in the Receipts and in ~/Library/Application Support/JewelCase where the .sit file resides (!). I even tried taking the bundle out with Pacifist, still nothing. What's going on?  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  "I like to put mine in the System's Library so they are available to all users."

Good point john.

I should put that in the installer.

"~/Library/iTunes Plug-ins doesn't exist or ~/Library/iTunes is an alias."

Hmm...

Would you like me to send you the plug-in

w/o the installer?  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 13 2005

JLARO  Yes, please send (or post on your site) the plug-in alone. I don't care about "Send to a friend", even if I don't exactly know what it is.

Somebody made a remark that they'd like to see artwork from their own iTunes library. I add my voice to that. Going to Internet should be an option.  
(Version 1.5)

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Dec 13 2004
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VITALY  artwork appears in jewelcase only for songs ripped in itunes 4 and later. songs converted using earlier versions of itunes show song list etc., but not the artwork  
(Version 1.4)

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ANONYMOUS  Awesome concept, but I found a few problems. The song list on the back of the "CD" has yet to appear for me, yet the ID3 tags in my collection are fairly complete. I managed to get the single name up occasionally. Perhaps the biggest showstopper thus far has been when JewelCase seemingly "went out to lunch" and never came back - perhaps trying to find artwork for an album or something? Spinning beachball, iTunes unresponsive...

Keep up the great work! Not ready for prime time yet, but definitely on its way.  
(Version 1.4)

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MARK  Songlist on the Back.

This is an AppleScript bug. We've seen

it twice, now with you 3 times. Will fix

in next release. Try switching to Options->

Back Cover->Song List: to "Single" this will

show only the current song playing on the back

cover and my fix your problem.

"went out to lunch"

That is a surprise. Any chance this happened with

a song in Unknown Artist / Unknown Album ?

Let me know.  
(Version 1.4)

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RIBOS  Like Jacket... just 10 times much amasing!

Simply Great!!!  
(Version 1.4)

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MARK  ribos-

Thank you very much!

-Mark  
(Version 1.4)

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Dec 13 2004

ANONYMOUS  After instaling jewelcase starts to duplicate my iTune library when you activate it a set of instructions would be usefull  
(Version 1.3.9)

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MARK  JewelCase does not duplicate the iTunes library.

Detailed instructions are in the Help File.

iTunes menu JewelCase->JewelCase Help.  
(Version 1.4)

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ANONYMOUS  I'm having the same problem with the duplicating of songs. Anytime I have JewelCase on every track from the album that is playing gets duplicated. How do you uninstall this program??  
(Version 1.5)

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Jan 24 2005

MARK BUCHANAN  I have to eat my words here.

There was indeed a bug where tracks can

get copied.

Deepest appoligies.

It is now fixed in 1.6.  
(Version 1.6)

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Dec 13 2004

JOHN  lol! That's pretty groovy :) The quality is much better than I expected.

My only beef about this is that it requires an installer app instead of just asking you to drag/drop the bundle into the iTunes plugin folder.  
(Version 1.3.9)

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ANONYMOUS  I forgot to mention - you can actually grab and spin the CD case too :) Nice touch.  
(Version 1.3.9)

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