IGREG  Also, Shockwave Player does not seem to work in this 4.04v of Safari  
(Version 4.0.4)

IGREG  Having more site display problems with this version of Safari. Current version of Camino displays pages better  
(Version 4.0.4)

PROGRAMHAPPY  Anybody else having a constant problem with the toolbar disappearing?  
(Version 4.0.4)

THUS.SPAKE.Z  Stated requirements for Safari 4.04 for Tiger requires OS 10.4.11 and Security Update 2009-002 or later. Available from Apple's Mac OS X software site. Just type in the Security Update that you want in the search window there.  
(Version 4.0.4)

TIMMYB  I really don't understand why Apple made this version available for systems prior to 10.5.x

This creates the impression that it is ok to use Safari on a 10.4.x system.

Unfortunately, this is not the case, since Apple did not release a Security Update 2009-006 for 10.4.

10.4.x now has several unpatched vulnerabilities which make it unfit for use.  
(Version 4.0.4)

KATUZERO  But no fix for this bug.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2143627&start=0&tstart=0  
(Version 4.0.4)

GAZMAN  It's because Webkit, the engine that powers Safari, is a major system component.

I don't get this notion of people getting their nickers in a knot when a system update requires a restart - simply hold off on updating until a time when you can restart.  
(Version 4.0.4)

FALKNERX  Leave it to Apple to require a system restart via Software Update for a minor Safari update.  
(Version 4.0.4)

DEMORAY  MacUpdate:

In "Editor Notes" you state that "Download Now" will yield the Leopard version.

That is incorrect. "Download Now" yields the Snow Leopard version.  
(Version 4.0.4)

KNOWHOWE  Weirdly, I was perusing MacUpdate using the new Google Chrome browser and saw this Safari update.. Hitting the 'download', i was surprised to see a message at the bottom of the window telling me-

"This kind of file can damage your computer. Are you sure you want to download Safari 4.04.dmg?"

I was thinking Chrome was a pretty cool browser until this happened...  
(Version 4.0.4)

ECHOROB  Best version yet, extremely fast. 100% stable  
(Version 4.0.4)

DONG-YOUNG  Blazing fast but too many crashes and Flash problems.  
(Version 4.0.3)

KKNOPP  More stable than Firefox, and more Mac-Like too.   
(Version 4.0.3)

EGGSHELL  The sooner they fix the memory leaks the better

Same usage ( 6-7 tabs max ) safari 4.0.3 ~ 200-500+ MB used ram ( and keeps going up )

safari 3 ~ 150-250 MB

Tried to do a practical test - see if safari would release that ram on a heavy load - not a bit back

Safari+ Photoshop+Bridge+Lightroom till the free system memory goes ~ 9-10 MB ( out of 3GB system ram )

Safari ( on which I purposefully closed all tabs but one ) still keeps his 500+ MB

completely ridiculous   
(Version 4.0.3)

ECHOROB  Turning on the develop menu and changing the user agent to IE works for me  
(Version 4.0.3)

MEDIAVINCI  Hello,

checked a couple of websites the other day on an Apple iPhone and noticed that the Safari Browser does not support iFrames. Is there any way to fix this?

graphically & sincerely,

Marc Klein  
(Version 4.0.3)

AN.ONYMOUS  There are two good reasons to dislike Safari :

- Safari does not work on several websites where MS Explorer is the basic reference (typically on Hotels' reservation websites)

- Safari prohibits using Explorer on a Mac. Indeed, it appears that it is following Apple's demand that MS has stopped developping and providing Explorer for the Mac.  
(Version 4.0.3)

AARGL  I found the cause and the workaround for the "forever loading" problem:

I have SafariBlock installed (I'm very happy of it!!!), and tried to disable it, but it was the same.

After a while the loading stops and you've got an error messave, you go to the Windows/Activity menu and copy the URL of the unloading files (in my case it was http://www.skyboardmedia.com/i/skyboard_for_footer_on_network.gif, but I suppose it could be anything else).

Provided you have SafariBlock installed, you add manually the URL and the page loads instantly.

For me there was only one site, that I use a lot, causing me this problem with Safari 4.0.3 (and not before).  
(Version 4.0.3)

PACMAN  HEH! :)

I had so much problems with my Safari. It stopped working, and I found out by accident how to get rid of the dialogboxes that pop up when you double-click your downloads.

Wanna know a secret ?

In /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ you'll find a file called VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin.

What I did, was to move this to the desktop, and it seems I got a much easier life (because I download a lot, and I really *do* know that I downloaded the files, I doubleclick, from the internet).

-Does this work for anyone else ?

(In fact, I searched the web, and some sites says this plugin is not malware... Well, it is to me - even if there's no code in it).  
(Version 4.0.3)

RONALD PRICE  Still no way to disable animated gifs. Seizures too painful. Cannot use Safari. Bug report submitted for Apple to ignore, again.  
(Version 4.0.3)

EL COMANDANTE  You should disable Inquisitor too: not compatible with last release 4.0.3 of Safari ;-)  
(Version 4.0.3)

ECHOROB  Ad blocking is simple with this http://groups.google.com/group/css-ad-block and Safari updates will not brake it.  
(Version 4.0.3)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  Yeah, I disabled that plug-in as well and pages seem 3 times as fast. I'd rather have ads than have slow-loading webpages.  
(Version 4.0.3)

TH3 J0K3R  I just tested Safari while disabling Safari AdBlock and that forever loading is now gone. This is the same issue described by Robotank.  
(Version 4.0.3)

FUHAYER  i am also strongly waiting for tabs on top.   
(Version 4.0.3)

MCOYLE  Come on Apple! Give me my tabs back on top of the window. I'm still running the last beta cause I ain't givin' them up!   
(Version 4.0.3)

ALBABE  I D/Led Safari 4.0.3 this morning... and as I usually do with any new client/version, I ran Disk Utility, Repaired Permissions.

Safari has crashed about 12 times today. And when I try to restart Safari after a crash, it starts and just sits there and won't go to any sites. And it won't work at all without Rebooting my G5.

Pain in my friggin' tuchus.  
(Version 4.0.3)

PACMAN  I upgraded to 10.5.8, didn't expect Safari 4.

In the beginning I was impressed, and happy about it didn't have those nutty top-tabs.

But after a short while, I got annoyed with the URL field and the search field. My up/down arrow keys don't jump to the beginning/end of the search fields anymore.

Instead I get a drop-down menu, where I can choose some previously entered text.

I don't need that at all. It's sluggish, it covers the current web-page and it takes my focus away from what I wanted to search for.

Since it doesn't work like I'm used to, I started looking for alternatives. I knew about OmniWeb already, but I don't like the feel of OmniWeb (although, it's a great browser).

...Anyway, I found Shiira, which looks quite promising!! Check it out. (it's the v2.2 I'm talking about).  
(Version 4.0.3)

TSEHOV  Could it be true that You cannot clear recent searches anymore in version 4.0.3.? I am very disappointed.  
(Version 4.0.3)

ROBOTANK  All of a sudden after updating to Safari 4.0.3, there are certain pages where the loading indicator never stops spinning, even after the page has loaded. Macworld.com is one example. Anyone else?  
(Version 4.0.3)

BILLY THE BIKER  Still doesn't have 'top tab' option. Will wait to install, and use the beta in the meantime.  
(Version 4.0.3)

RIP0FF  It feels snappier  
(Version 4.0.3)

ALBABE  So, does Apple have some sort of Corporate deal with the World Cookies Association?

As is usual with Safari (at least in my experience), this update, like many of the last, CHANGES YOUR COOKIES SETTING TO: ACCEPT ALL COOKIES.

If you are concerned about such things, you might wanna check your Preferences.  
(Version 4.0.2)

ROBERTS2424  I just keep believing that Safari 4 will be speedy. And, every minor upgrade I end up trashing it and going back to version 3.2.1.   
(Version 4.0.2)

XPLICIT  Replaced Safari 3 with it. At first I was impressed how quickly Safari 4 gets pages on the screen.

But then I discovered its flaws:

- It crashes quite often.

- I thought Safari 4 was fast but on the contrary it is indeed rather slow most of the time.

- It is a CPU and memory hog.

Couldnt stand that any longer, after years of using Safari as my default browser I switched to Firefox.  
(Version 4.0.2)

YELLEKO  What a "Clunker"! It's slow-loading ... sometimes to the point that it seems to stall in mid-stream. When I try using Firefox on the same webpages ... Voia! They're up. Maybe it's just me, but even my older version of Safari (2.0.4) outperforms Safari 4.  
(Version 4.0.2)

JEFF H.  Since I updated to the final version of Safari (4) I must say that its a so-so browser.

Its still my main one but its not as stable as it was. On my older mini its terrible requiring force-quits constantly. On my G5 the force-quits are less often but they still happen.

I like the new features but I'd take the older more stable any day.  
(Version 4.0.2)

FREE_DEVELOPMENT  I love Safari, but since the Beta, in the final version, did Apple take away the Safari Web Apps? Can I still make them with another program?  
(Version 4.0.2)

EXORZIST  It rocks, folks...

...but still refuses to execute bookmarks with javascript:-commands if the safari-window has a tab. This is the only bug (I hope it's not a feature) I saw (and annoys me just a bit enough to write it down here)  
(Version 4.0.2)

ALBABE  I'm still having weird problems with Safari.

It's fast and mostly a pretty good... but...

It doesn't always remember a cookie used for membership in a group (like Yahoo)... until I refresh the page.

YouTube is acting weird lately, also. After I'm on it for a while, I get an almost blank window with an error message that says something about a "String" or something... and I can't go to any YT pages after that, until I restart Safari.

And I miss the Progress Bar... anyone have a haxie to bring it back?  
(Version 4.0.2)

MELMAN FLINK  Faster, more stable and a joy in use, this iteration of Safari earns my seal of approval. Because no other browser in the OS X world integrates so well with my personal workflow, Safari is my best of breed and Firefox, et al, simply do not cut the mustard.

YMMV.  
(Version 4.0.2)

PTRIX  Ever since the Safari 4 beta, and continuing throw to 4.0.2, i've been experiencing a strange bug on my system whenever i enable the Private Browsing feature. Basically, when I enable it, it seems to automatically change Safari's security settings from 'Never Accept Cookies' to accept cookies 'Only From Sites I Visit', but without alerting me to the modification. And needless to say, i don't know why accepting cookies during what should be a private session would be in keeping with the concept of "Private Browsing". This did NOT happen in Safari 3.x, and I am at a loss to figure out why this is happening in Safari 4. I have Saft installed, but this happened before I installed it, and also happens when i uninstall it, so i don't think Saft is responsible.

am i the only person this is happening to, and if not, can anyone explain why Safari 4.x is behaving in this strange way? I have sent bug reports to Apple during the time Safari 4 was in open beta, and have sent bug reports every upgrade since, but they haven't fixed it, which leads me to believe that this behaviour is either intentional, or something's wrong with my system. Not sure which...  
(Version 4.0.2)

J.W.  They still haven't fixed the bug in 4.0, where some resources will be cached, even after manually clearing the cache. Very frustrating for web developers.  
(Version 4.0.2)

MELMAN FLINK  There was a serious bug in the last version that would cause Safari to crash when printing a packing list from within Amazon's Seller services.

I'm pleased as punch to report that this version appears to have addressed that problem.

Evidently the engineers at Apple really do read and respond to bug reports.

Thank you!  
(Version 4.0.2)

MACTECHHEAD  I haven't had any problems since using version 4.0 and the newest 4.0.2 is equally as fast and stable for me.

I don't use plugins and didn't experience any of the problems related to the 2 recent updates.

Super fast and rock solid, no complaints from me.

Although I would have liked to get my old progress bar during a page load instead of the lame thing it uses now.  
(Version 4.0.2)

PARTHIBAN M  It's a really fast browser, possibly the fastest on the mac in theory. In reality however, for me its been a mixed bag. Some sites, that are more javascript heavy, Safari is blistering fast (v4), and on other sites, Firefox seems to be just as fast. This version of Safari still has compatibility issues with a few sites, so its not my daily choice of usage, however the new FF3.5 has some irritating issues of its own.

Perhaps my biggest gripe about this version of Safari, and just the trend that safari is following in general in terms of looks, is that it does NOT look like a native mac app. Embarrassingly, Camino looks 100% native, compared with Safari v4. I think Apple needs to re-think the UI of Safari, and take it in another direction, before making any significant feature choices. Yes, this V4 is built on Cocoa, but it looks a little bit like a Java app, as it doesn't 'fit' well aesthetically with the rest of the system apps. Firefox has always had this issue, so no point in mentioning that. Camino in my opinion has been the only browser on the Mac to NAIL the streamlined UI to match exactly with the style and elegance of OSX.

And also this might just be my system, so I'm not entirely sure of this, but I'm getting much more beachball under Safari V4 than Firefox 3.5 OR Camino ß2 combined. This still happens even after literally resetting Safari. So I don't know what the issue is. This is on the non-unibody MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz (ver 3,1) with 2GB of ram. This only appears to be the problem with Safari, all other browsers work without beachballing every couple of pages.   
(Version 4.0.1)

EXORZIST  Sometimes, it's obvious, sometimes it's not. If you are a web-developer, you can use "Top-Sites" to present your own web-sites, it looks very good and I'm sure it will make a fantastic impression to your (future) client. You should also enable the "Developer"-menu and play with that. BTW., you can also ctrl-click a part on a website & choose "element-information" which shows you that "object" in the source-code.   
(Version 4.0.1)

EXORZIST  The javascript-bookmarks I use to resize the browser front window doesn't work anymore if you have a TAB in a window! This reminded me of "Netscape Communicator 4.x", because they had all the time such silly misbehavior. I wonder why this is happening with Safari, because it's top-software in a top-environment, so this makes no sense at all. I can't understand why the developers haven't fixed this yet. (Example: javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(800,screen.availHeight);)  
(Version 4.0.1)

JEFF H.  If you have a slower/older Mac AVOID!

I have a pre-Intel Mac mini and I spend much time watching the pretty beachball spin, especially on Yahoo!

Its fine in my G5.

I end up force-quitting this browser every third time out.

I really like it on my faster Mac though.  
(Version 4.0.1)

SHADOW RAY  this is a great browser and version 4 is easily as fast as any windows browser on running on intel. I remember a few years ago when Windows IE was about twice as fast as any mac browser. No more.

Not quite as customizable as firefox which I'm used to but the speed is winning me over. Nice work Apple.  
(Version 4.0.1)

QUIETZAPPLE  If you have Tiger 4.4.11 AVOID.

It is a nightmare.  
(Version 4.0.1)

GUNTIS  After updating 10.5.7 with Safari 4.0 to Safari 4.0.1 I see that the content of pages is not displayed correctly anymore. Somethig to do with CSS. Looks like CSS is ignored, or something like that… Every page looks different, sometimes big chunks are missing…  
(Version 4.0.1)

RAMPANCY  Sigh. Are we EVER going to get release notes from Apple about little point updates like this?   
(Version 4.0.1)

RONL  MUCH faster than version 3.

Thank you Apple!  
(Version 4.0.1)

MCOYLE  Tabs back on top with 4.0.1?

Michael  
(Version 4.0.1)

HOOT4WVU  O.K. My bad. I posted a few days back how disgusted I was with the Safari4 experience. It immediately bounced in my dock & quit. I maneuvered and finally gave up and restored my previous Tiger Safari. I said I didn't think I had any attached programs like input managers.

I was wrong. I had Sogudi. Once I ditched the plug in files, plist files etc. associated with that I tried installing Safari4 again and this time wowee. It seems to be working fine.

I had quit bothering with Sogudi so long ago I had totally forgotten it.  
(Version 4.0)

ERUNNO  I have now used Safari 4 for a couple of days full-time and would like to share my impressions with others now.

Advantages:

+ Let's get the obvious out of the way first: It's fast, page-loading times are quite low and web applications like Google Mail/Reader and others load and feel faster than with Safari 3.

+ Memory usage is quite improved. Safari 3 was always for me quite a memory hog which could grab easily 500+ MB after *one* day and it still kept climbing. Safari 4 uses 300-400 MB of RAM (give or take 40). This seems still much at first glance but at least it *stays* in that range even after extended use (several days without restart). After a couple of hours non-usage with few tabs open it even reached 200 MB again. My best guess is that the fixed amount of memory is used for caching preview images (top sites, cover flow history) and indices for full-text history search. Anyway, good work, Apple.

+ Safari now stalls less when some tabs are active (beach ball). It's still present but not quite as distinctive as with the predecessor.

+ Full-text search is quite useful and the cover flow makes it easy to locate the page one is looking for.

+ Scrolling is always smooth even with complex layouts or lots of active content (e.g. Flash).

+ In case of a tab overflow (too many tabs) the tab drop down list features a divider which separates the visible from the non-visible tabs. It's attention to detail like in this case which I like Apple for.

+ Tabs on top has been removed. The implementation was stillborn with too many apparent usability problems. Since there are more ways to tackle the problem tabs on top tried to solve (more vertical space for content) Apple should maybe take tabs in a sidebar into consideration.

+ Snap back has been simplified. I know that some people will rightfully (!) complain about this reduction in functionality but senile people like me are overburdened with the old implementation. Now it's more apparent what it is meant for (go back to Google results) and I started to use it more often.

+ Better result arrangement for matches in the address bar (see also negatives).

+ Very stable. I only had one crash and that was when trying to open 34 tabs at once. Now, the browser should still be able to handle this but otherwise I had no problems with stability.

+ MailGrowl works with the updated WebKit component again without crashing Mail each time a new mail arrives. Maybe there are some Growl users in Apple after all.

Disadvantages:

- I was hoping that Safari's address bar would work like Firefox' "Awesome Bar". To my disappointment you still can't do arbitrary substring search in the URL and site title. In fact, the address bar works exactly as in Safari 3 (matching only the start of an URL) but the results are presented in a much improved way.

- Top sites are slow. I use top sites with the maximum amount of previews and sometimes I have to wait up to 5 seconds until it's displayed after opening a new tab. There's also a small delay after selecting a site before it's displayed. A new tab should be instantly usable, something both Chrome and Firefox (in an version after 3.5) have identified as a critical UI requirement. Hopefully Apple will tackle this problem in one of the subsequent releases.

- Top sites in general don't add much to my browsing experience compared to visual history.

- One thing that really baffled me is that Safari 4 still uses the modal dialogue when asking if a password should be saved. The non-modal dialogue in Firefox and Chrome is such an *obvious* usability improvement. Maybe Apple shouldn't have messed around with tabs on tab and instead concentrated on less debatable improvements.

- Another annoyance: When the address bar or a text field is selected in a tab you can't use the keyboard to cycle through the tabs (you have to deselect it first). Firefox does this better.

- You still can't sort bookmarks alphabetically. In 2009. :-/

- Still no maximize window functionality. Fit to content simply does not work in a tabbed interface where each site has a different width.

- It's visually not clear enough when surfing a site with encrypted connection (https). Firefox and Chrome are better in this regard.

Final thoughts:

This is a solid release, but it still has an apparent lack of ambition on the front end side. The major work was done on the WebKit site while the browser itself received mostly cosmetic work with some obvious improvements on other browsers being left out.  
(Version 4.0)

GBK  Tips to Mix Safari 4 Beta and Final to get tabs on top here :

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090609000156651  
(Version 4.0)

SOUTHPAWAMI  It may seem as if I was harsh in my review. I will admit that with the possible exception of Camino 2, Safari 4 is perhaps the Apple-like browser available. Image wise, Safari looks better when you first run it then any other browser. In the case of Opera 10, you have to make display tweaks to make it enjoyable rather than bearable. In the case of Firefox, you have to get plugins/addons and install them. In the case of Camino 2, the more you use it, the more you like it. And in the case of Omniweb 5.10 Sneeky Peek, you have to keep trying to play with the options little by little before you see how much a pleasure it can make browsing the web each day.

So, Image-wise... first run, Safari wins hands down.

Content-wise... various tools and options built into the web browser to help you be more productive, Safari is nearly in last place. As I lean heavily towards content, I can't see much reason to use Safari 4, when options like Opera 10 beta, Omniweb 5.10 Sneeky Peek, and Camino 2 are out. (For example, to even have what I consider basic options you would have in many browsers, you've got to install Glims.)

Safari wins image. Safari watches all the browsers blaze ahead of it in content strength.  
(Version 4.0)

SOUTHPAWAMI  Safari 4 is an average browser.

normal:

- It has basic tabs features

- It has a normal personal bar

- It has a URL and google search on the same bar

pros:

- top sites... same as Opera, Google Chrome, and the Firefox Plugin... except slower

- passes acid 3 test... same as Opera 10 beta and Omniweb 5.10 Sneaky Peek

- functions with dashboard

- downloads are organized

cons:

- no page info feature

- no check page feature

- no sessions

- no tab location changes like Opera or Omniweb

- no thumbnail tabs like Omniweb

- no key function like opera... autofill is useless when more than one person uses the same web browser

Opera 10 is better. Omniweb 5.10 is better. Camino 2 is better.  
(Version 4.0)

ROBOTANK  For some reason, my Safari preferences reset every so often with this new version. It seems to happen after a restart but doesn't happen every time. I guess it could be one of the add-ons I have installed (Glims, Safari Cookies). Anyone else have this issue?  
(Version 4.0)

LIGHTFOOTADV  Overall I like it. I didn't try any of the betas, so the final v4 is a new experience for me. It does seem noticeably faster than v3. It also seems very stable.

The top sites feature isn't really something that important to me. Unlike at least Chrome's similar feature, top sites seems to load all of the listed sites in real-time, which takes several minutes, instead of just caching thumbnails from your last visit (which seems more logical). Kind of odd there isn't anyway to control how it works. It does however list when a site was updated though I guess.

The reload/stop button is gone, and instead there's a reload button on the right-hand side of the address bar, which seems unusual. It's in an annoying place now.

If I really had to make a suggestion about what feature I would most want would be dividers in the bookmark menu, or a Chrome-like download panel that would appear at the bottom of the window.

It's an improvement in performance though. I'm not unhappy I upgraded.  
(Version 4.0)

ROBERTS2424  On a 2.4 Macbook I find it horribly slow. I'm going back a version.  
(Version 4.0)

PIK80  Apple added one of their best interface ideas when they introduced tabs that were integrated into the task bar and then they removed it for the final release. There was no reason that they couldn't have added this feature as an option under the tabs preferences but they decided to just remove it out right.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with tabs on top. It was a wonderful solution and I am looking forward to it being implemented across all of Apple's apps. Tabs are needed everywhere but without chewing up to much screen space.   
(Version 4.0)

JAZZICA  It's fast. I wish we had a STOP button! And the tabs were ok where they were. But it cooks. (Am I the only one who deeply misses that mean ole' Steve Jobs?)  
(Version 4.0)

HALEAKALARI  the new interface is atrocious. first off on 10.4, you have a "unified" toolbar, but the status bar is brushed metal. that's nothing though. my real gripe is this:

we mac users are not allowed to have a frucking stop button on the toolbar of our default browser. it has to be present only on mouse-over in an integrated-progress/address bar? it just has to. that's funking ridiculous! it's counter-intuitive. this is changing something, for the sake of change itself. which is *not* change for the better.. it's the gui-design equivalent of saying:

"yeah, we make the fastest, sweetest, most kickin' sneakers in the world. but we decided to use shattered goat-carcass instead of rubber for the soles, because it looks nicer. it might hurt, make no sense and it'll take you much longer to get where you need to go, but... y'know, it looks better."

we don't even have the option of using the sensible, intuitive and efficient interface which was present [even as just an option] in all prior releases of safari, so now we have to spend our time getting used to mousing around like a retarded person to reach basic functionality, for no good reason.

yeah, safari 4 is fast and has a load of new features. but the gui design is absolutely disgusting and makes no sense whatsoever. let us have options and let us continue to use sensible and efficient design paradigms. stop removing standard furcking features every time you introduce a new one. cripes.  
(Version 4.0)

JAN13  Fastest Beast in web browsers but unfortunately the 1Password app does not work in it yet. Hopefully soon it will ...   
(Version 4.0)

AND_ROO  They've done it again!!! Why do they keep moving the refresh button to the opposite end of the toolbar each time a major upgrade is released? I wish I could give my frank and candid opinion of the interface design team at Apple  
(Version 4.0)

STEVEN GOODHEART  I can't get my Toolbar customizations to fit -- I add the new icons, they show up after I close the customization, but when i quit and restart Safari, I see the new icons I added for the briefest moment, and then the default bar overlays everything.

Anyone else having this behavior? I can't even get the Top Sites or New Tab icon to stick. Oddly, the Evernote Icon sticks, and now seems to be forever a part of the Default Icon set.

Love to hear if this is something odd on my machine, or if others are having any trouble customizing their menu bar.

Thanks,

Steve  
(Version 4.0)

ORION MK. V  4.0 is running 100% stable, loading pages lickity split and exactly what I like a browser - simple and efficient. I use FireFox if I want extensibility and Opera for some cross-platform testing, but Safari works perfectly for a daily browsing needs. No sites so far -- including banking -- seem to have any issues with it.  
(Version 4.0)

GBK  Tweaks Safari 4 Final Menu:

http://pointum.com/safari-4-final-tweaks.html

Sorry, but some options are not available anymore. They were specific to Safari 4 beta.

The following options fell victims of Safari 4 Final:

No Tabs on Top

No Safari 3 Toolbar with Progress

Can't disable Google Suggestions or Address Suggestions

Can't disable Top Sites

No more interesting tweaks using Terminal

R.I.P. We'll miss you, dear options.  
(Version 4.0)

MODIX  well I for one want my tabs back on top - so much easier to stack multiple pages and see all the tabs at the same time, resulting in almost instantaneous access to any page of choice (when collapsed using WindowShade X). Anyone discover a terminal hack for this? (I poked around, no joy yet.) I'm giving serious consideration to going back to the last beta - and I probably will soon if no other solution presents itself. Otherwise Safari is a joy, as always.  
(Version 4.0)

SHK747  on all my mac's perfect exept modified pithhelmet, this crashes safari but ONLY the apple-store !

all other site with pithhelmet NO problems ..  
(Version 4.0)

FREDASH  Installed on an iMac Core Duo 2ghz running under Mac OS X 10.5.7.

Runs perfectly well. I had no input managers installed.

Top sites needed approx. 1 minute to finish his initialisation work.

After that, Safari 4.0 runs absolutely **blazingly fast** !

Kudos Apple for this very good browser.  
(Version 4.0)

LOW FLYER  Installed Safari for Mac OS X 10.4, using Software Update.

Safari crashed immediately after launch.

Started removing items from Input Managers (CosmoPod, Ecamm), but Safari continued crashing. After removing SIMBL from Input Managers, Safari worked OK.   
(Version 4.0)

E_COMMERCE  Does anyone have a clue what the different colors on the progress indicator mean? While I'm overjoyed to see the horrid "Tabs on Top" eliminated, I do miss the old progress bar built into the address bar. It was one of the features I thought was really innovative, enough that on Firefox I always use the Fission addon to get the effect.  
(Version 4.0)

DONG-YOUNG  Hardly any visible changes from the beta version for me. Still, I'm glad that tabs have returned to the bottom. Though, one thing I dislike about this version is the lack of an active progress bar for loading like in Safari 3. The spinning circle just gets in my nerves. I hope someone figures out a way to change it soon. Otherwise a very fast and excellent browser.  
(Version 4.0)

QUICKBEN  I wouldn't mind trying v. 4 against Firefox, but Apple doesn't seem to be in any hurry to patch 10.5.7 so that folks using LCD TVs with non-standard syncs can play, too. (see apple forums). Hopefully a solution will be coming soon so I can upgrade from 10.5.6.  
(Version 4.0)

HOOT4WVU  When I saw this was a finalized version I downloaded via Software Update (& when that was DOA via MacUpdate for Tiger). My experience on my MacPowerPC G5 with System 10.4.11 was identical to the Beta version. Safari4 bounced in the dock and aborted instantly. On both my tries I ended up sending Apple a report. Finally I deleted everything I could find that was Safari, believing I could restore from an external hard drive. I lost virtually all my bookmarks, but by exporting from Camino was able to get most back for Safari 3.2.3 with a lot of maneuver. This is one of my worst Mac experiences in some time. At least the Beta had an uninstall and restore function. As far as I know I had no add ons in Safari.  
(Version 4.0)

FRANKO  Installed v 4 on my PowerMac DP 2 running 10.5.7

Installation (done through Install pckage and not SW) was a breeze; the Welcome vid a nice touch typical of Apple. Thus far no crash/sudden quits and this puppy is QUICK! Pages load/render way faster than v 3.x,

Only minor annoyance is Top Sites; perhaps it's my mac but it did take about 10 minutes to fill the grid.

Me likey thus far.....  
(Version 4.0)

SHOTGUNWEDDINGS  I can't complain too much, the speed of 4.0 blows away any other Mac browser by a long shot.

My only complaint is the lack of a visual progress bar like the old way. That lame new method looks like winblows crap.

Hopefully we'll see a patch or something to change the progress indicator in the future to something more useful.  
(Version 4.0)

LARRYMCJ  From all the feedback I saw up on Apple forums during the beta, I'm sure there was an overwhelming majority that wanted the tabs back on the bottom. Safari is, and always has been, about speed. It may not have all the add-ons and bells and whistles of Firefox, but it's sure faster.  
(Version 4.0)

KNOWHOWE  Yes, I too loved the tabs at the top and want them back please.

And I HATE that static 'loading' thing on the right hand side of the address window. It provides no feedback about how the page is loading whatsoever. I want my blue progress bar back NOW!

Some good people were pretty quick off the mark to write little apps to put right the things we didn't like about the beta- such as restoring the progress bar. Help, we need you again!  
(Version 4.0)

GILLES  Happy with the tabs back in place

but still believe it should be a user option definable in preference

maybe Safari enhancers, will be able to put it as an option (top or regular)  
(Version 4.0)

MACINTOSH SAUCE  Finally! Apple has finally put a new tab button in the Toolbar. It only took four versions of Safari to do it! :-)

This final version of 4.0 seems quite snappy and I am glad they made the Tab Bar default to the bottom. In the terminal you should be able to change it back to the top like in the beta. Personally, I prefer it below the Toolbar.  
(Version 4.0)

FVDG  Funny, crashes everytime I try the Apple store!  
(Version 4.0)

EVILINSTONE  Reinstalling beta version :(

I can't work with this Safari 3 like Tab Bar.  
(Version 4.0)

EVILINSTONE  Apple!

Please return new tab bar like in beta!!!  
(Version 4.0)

EDORELD  Loving the new way to show when pages are loading, and the design of the tabs (Rounded corners).

It also seems the problem with switching between tabs with ctrl + tab has been solved (Before, sometimes you had to press the key combination more than once to change to the next tab.

Feels faster than the previous beta. Could use better compatibility with addons/plugins.

Overall, great impression.   
(Version 4.0)

VINCE.  Where has this (new) Tab Bar gone that we all loved so much? Does anybody already know a way to get back the Tab Bar from the beta? The standard bar feels so 'unhandy' now.. regards  
(Version 4.0)

MELMAN FLINK  2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, with 3GB MHz DDR2 SDRAM. iMac 24".

This 4.0 release candidate is soooo much slower than the beta on my machine! Just awful! Going to try and reinstall the 4.0 beta now.

What a disappointment. Hopefully, just another example of less than optimal QA from Apple.

Perhaps there's a setting I need to adjust, or something like that? In any event, out of the box I have no choice but to give this no mice, no stars and a big thumbs down.

(sad face)

*sigh*

YMMV  
(Version 4.0)

DOUGSTER  What's happened to the smooth scrolling?   
(Version 4.0)

EXORZIST  MacMini/2GHz/2GB/latest Leopard: installed without problems. Oy, it's really fast(er)!  
(Version 4.0)

TCWW67  It won't install on my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz with 4 GB RAM with a message "This volume does not meet the requirements of the update. I'm running Safari 4.0 Beta with no problems. Any ideas?  
(Version 4.0)

DRUMSHANBO  I can't even open Safari 4.0. It quits moments after I open it, again and again.  
(Version 4.0)

D9  The loss of SnapBack in the address bar for quick return to the exact location and web page you started a link run is a big bummer. I'd gobble Safari 4 up right now but for this deletion...it really changes my surfing methods and puts S4 on par again with FireFox.

Why must Apple always tinker with the obvious successes? They need a good dose of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" in their coffee!!  
(Version 4.0)

TIROGER  Say goodbye to tabs on top feature... I kinda liked it. Hopefully a terminal command will bring back that feature.  
(Version 4.0)

JOHN BIGBOOTE  Where did 'Tabs on Top' go?  
(Version 4.0)

MARKUS WINTER  If you have SIMBL installed then Safari 4.0 will not start

If you have SafariBlock installed and enabled then it will block all sites (not sure why)  
(Version 4.0)

THUS.SPAKE.Z  After installing Leopard 10.5.7 over 10.5.6 I installed the Safari 4b update over my previous Safari 4b installation. Everything's working just fine here. No issues to report.

I've got Glims and Glimmerblocker installed.....no problems.  
(Version 3.2.3)

DANA SUTTON  For those who don't want to use Safari 4 beta or can't use it (for example because they needs some plug-in it doesn't support) this will be welcome. By the way, the compaint that Safari 4 beta becomes a memory or processor hog if you open multiple windows simply doesn't match my experience (I have a first-generation Mac Pro desktop).  
(Version 3.2.3)

SHK747  perfect, also with pithhelmet (modified) !  
(Version 3.2.3)

FATAL_SE7EN  This release is far to buggy for a beta, freezes up so much on my 2.4 ghz Polycarbonate macbook have trouble navigating websites at all. Lags up when you click some links and overall issues make this an unusable beta.  
(Version 4 Public Beta)

ALBABE  The newest WebKit is now doing this:

The newest Safari seems to save jpegs differently than the last version. If you control>click on the image and save it to a folder or the desktop, it seems relatively normal, saving it as a .jpg...

20090223mmjm2000px_MikeSalway.jpg

But if you just grab the image and drag it from the Safari window to a folder or the desktop, it saves it with two suffixes. .jpg followed by .jpeg... without the "-1" that used to be added to duplicate files, it's hard to tell if you have multiples.

20090223mmjm2000px_MikeSalway.jpg.jpeg

Any ideas you guys?   
(Version 4 Public Beta)

SYED ALI  This version causes problems with MSN messenger. You can read about the details here.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9098771

I am uninstalling it.   
(Version 4 Public Beta)

CYBORG9  Add Glims to this for a very nice array of search engines, something Safari 4 Beta's developers inexplicably omitted. Only Google's been included as Safari 4 beta's sole search engine.

Safari 4 beta is quite sprightly in action. Noticeably more so than previous Safari versions.

It's a pleasure to use.  
(Version 4 Public Beta)

SJK  FYI, Safari 4 Public Beta breaks the FJNWebArchive QuickLook plugin:

Mar 6 14:13:15 x quicklookd[348]: [QL ERROR] Preview request generator for raised ‘objc_object* -[WebArchive initWithData:](WebArchive*, objc_selector*, NSData*) was called from a secondary thread’  
(Version 4 Public Beta)

ALBABE  Search this in MacUpdate! Works GREAT!!!

Safari 4 Buddy 1.0

Safari 4 Buddy is a Mac OS X Utility that enables the ability to change several hidden preferences in the Safari 4 Public Beta web browser, such as: moving the Tab Bar, reverting the Progress Style indicator, disabling Google Suggest and Top Sites and more.  
(Version 4 Public Beta)

SW_TESTER  Has anyone noticed it Safari 4 beta is as big memory hog as Safari 3?

my safari starts at 39MB but ends up getting up to 500MB or almost a 800MB at times.

I have to quit and restart safari to get the memory back because closing tabs or windows don't help.  
(Version 4 Public Beta)

FLOMET  Installed Safari 4.0b1 and found that it crashes every time I try to open the browser so I have reported to Apple then reverted to 3.2.1 and found it to be OK.

I will have to wait for the next update then try again. Has any one else had this problem?

Regards

JK  
(Version 4.0b1)

JAZZADDICT  I'm enjoying the beta. Really like where Safari is going. I love how searching history has massively improved.I think the Top Sites feature is a bit shallow. I wish I could just easily choose which site I want in which space. If you want a site to appear in Top Sites you have to wait for it to show up after you visit it enough. And if you have all your site areas 'pinned down' it will never appear at all. I wish I could enter whatever URL I want to whatever Top Site I want. I think bookmarks should have more metadata to make it easier to organize and find. Labels, descriptions, and maybe even keywords (tags). Tabs on top is still weird now but i'll catch on. It is a better way of doing things for sure.  
(Version 4.0b1)

ALBABE  The newest Safari seems to save jpegs differently than the last version. If you control>click on the image and save it to a folder or the desktop, it seems relatively normal, saving it as a .jpg...

20090223mmjm2000px_MikeSalway.jpg

But if you just grab the image and drag it from the Safari window to a folder or the desktop, it saves it with two suffixes. .jpg followed by .jpeg... without the "-1" that used to be added to duplicate files, it's hard to tell if you have multiples.

20090223mmjm2000px_MikeSalway.jpg.jpeg

Any ideas you guys?  
(Version 4.0b1)

DCANNIS  Very nice and fast, but....Warning:after the installation Mail don't save the messages in .rtf and .txt format. Restoring the version 3 the bug it disappears.  
(Version 4.0b1)

TOMIS  I like where Safari is going. But the beta has too many bugs for my taste (no surprise, it's a beta), uninstalled for now. Will gladly check out the next beta. Remember to report any bugs you find people! The more feedback Apple gets the better the final product will be!  
(Version 4.0b1)

ILOVEMYMAC  For anyone who is not liking the Tabs on top and the missing blue progress bar in Safari 4, and want to put things back where they were, have a look here if your not scared of the Terminal.

http://swedishcampground.com/safari-4-hidden-preferences  
(Version 4.0b1)

ST00P!D M0NK3Y  Loving the new Safari. It feels completely different than Safari 3... and it's noticeably faster. Seems very stable. I like it. :)  
(Version 4.0b1)

SUPERMACNERD  The speed difference is very noticeable. It takes a bit to get used to the new Tabs but overall stable and well worth a look. Cover flow and Top Sites is icing on the cake.  
(Version 4.0b1)

FOULGER  Definitely faster by a country mile. Changed over from Flock, which I have used since almost day 1.

Safari is not so pretty but with the new engine is really faster so unless other browsers go with the faster engine I am back in the Safari camp.

One missing feature - no refresh icon - only . How could they have missed this?  
(Version 4.0b1)

FATAL_SE7EN  A thing I am very disappointed about is the memory leaking in safari, I found this was an issue in 3.2; It used almost 500 megabytes of RAM, and after an hour of surfing Safari 4 was back to this issue. Using close to 500 megabytes of RAM.   
(Version 4.0b1)

D9  The speed is definitely noticeable and in all aspects of page loads, not just JavaScript. The new UI tabs takes a bit of time to get used to but is a nice improvement once you do. The Top Sites feature is a great concept but needs better editing capabilities like normal bookmarks. Coverflow is every bit as helpful as it is in OS X; scrolling through large thumbnails of previous pages is worth the price alone...no more trying to figure out sites you visited based on vague page names or cryptic web addresses.

I initially could not launch Safari 4 beta no matter what I tried. Turns out that any InputManagers for Safari found in the Library folder, specifically Glims for me, will cause issues with this beta. A personal disappointment for me is the loss of Snap Back (or at least, I'm not seeing it). This was a great feature difference for me versus other browsers; to be able to click once to go back not just to the first page of your link trail but to the very location on that first page is just incredible...Apple, please bring this back!

Good to see Apple putting betas into the wild for users to better impact the development of a stable solution upon delivery. Overall, I think Safari 4 is a great step forward for this browser and at least much quicker than previous.  
(Version 4.0b1)

DONMONTALVO  Brilliant upgrade! Tabs are in a place that makes sooo much more sense. The "Show Top Sites" works great (although other users see YOUR top sites). Four stars for a great effort - will give fire stars after the above issue is addressed.

Don  
(Version 4.0b1)

DAVIDSAN  I am having lots of troubles with my hotmail account and Safari 4 Beta. In fact, none of the links to see messages work and I only get errors on the console.

However, all the other pages I have tried work flawlessly.  
(Version 4.0b1)

JAB47  Tried Safari 4 yesterday but ran into the Glims problem. When the new Glims came out I tried Safari 4 again. It seems to work fine but I am getting a lot of spinning beachballs that last a long time so I am back to Safari 3.2.1. I am running a 700 MHz Power PC with 512 MB of memory. I wouldn't be surprised if my computer is part of the problem. Safari 3.2.1 runs fine so for now I'll stick with it.  
(Version 4.0b1)

JAZZYGUY  Runs OK now with the New Glims. WebKit runs great too. Very Fast Browser compared to Omniweb,Firefox,Shiira etc.  
(Version 4.0b1)

ALGOS  If you want to change Safari 4 back to the old look, want to disable the topsites feature, restore the blue progress bar or more, check http://pastie.textmate.org/398861. You can change Safari 4 back to look exactly like 3.2.1. I expect these options to be in Tinkertool/Onyx/Secrets etcetera soon.  
(Version 4.0b1)

OLRIVRRAT  Still no "sidebar" for the Mac means Safari is still VERY LAME  
(Version 4.0b1)

MARTERUSA  When I first downloaded Safari 4.0 it would crash immediately. I discovered elsewhere that the problem was Glims. Removed it, installed Safari 4.0, and all is well. Works perfectly. I love the speed and elegance of the program.  
(Version 4.0b1)

HOOT4WVU  I downloaded the Tiger Safari 4.0b1 and installed. When I tried to launch/open the app it quit instantly each time; I did "try again" several times and then did a report to Apple.

Fortunately there is an uninstall provided and it restores to previous status.

I am on a G5 single processor PowerPC (not Intel) using OS10.4.11 and 2 GB RAM.  
(Version 4.0b1)

SILVERDEMON  Thank you thank you!

If the UI in 10.6 will be anything like this safari, I'll be happy!

I love the new Web Inspector.  
(Version 4.0b1)

COOCOOBEE  1 - It's free.

2 - It's a BETA (not a final product. There's supposed to be bugs. Find them.. Send them in.)

3 - It's not up to Apple to make a BETA compatible with every 3rd party extension out there (It's THOSE companies responsibility to update their software to the latest version of the browser). "Glims" did this the very same day (probably got tired of all the incessant whining).

Enough with the "way to go Apple" negative reviews. For a BETA there are actually fairly few bugs that I've found. Updated "Glims", and had to uninstall the Growl Mail extension for the time being, but that's it. Otherwise it's been performing great, and I like the new features.

Thank you to the developers for doing a great job.   
(Version 4.0b1)

KKNOPP  I wonder when the nightly Webkit builds will have these features?

Anyhow, stable, no problems. I noticed most of the people that did have problems had them because of 3rd party plugins that aren't compatible. It's not Safari or Apple's fault guys.   
(Version 4.0b1)

EVILINSTONE  I love new Safari!!!

New tabs is very comfortable for using and have nice look.

Mail.app, Adium, Skype and some other programs who using WebKit working without any problem.

Glims require update for working in Safari 4.

Safari AdBlock still working. Thanks!

SafariStand working partially.

Site Alteration working only for Java and JavaScript (it's doesn't work for plug-ins like Flash :( ).

Load Plug-ins Manually options still working without any problem.

Apple please return Reload/Stop button.

Apple please release new tabs system as framework for using in others applications like iChat, Mail.app and in third side applications.

Thanks a lot for good job!  
(Version 4.0b1)

LEV  None of the problems others are reporting, but it does seem that SafariStand doesn't work with Safari 4. I use Stand's excellent web page clipping CM a lot; so I guess I'll just wait until the developers upgrade it.

Only one conceptual problem: Top Sites gives away too much information. You'll never get away with the old "Oh, I tried to go to YouTube but the pesky thing sent me to YouPr0n instead" when it comes up as your Top Top Site... but then Apple doesn't believe in confidentiality any more (cf. the way iPhone shows everyone, at the very least, who has been texting you; and, usually, what they've said as well. I wonder if the iPhone division is waiting for the first lawsuit...)

(Ooops. Off-topic. But there you go.)  
(Version 4.0b1)

RICH K.  Ok so I realise its a Beta but it does screw up my Mail App by keeping it forever stuck on downloading from mailbox.

Secondly since the demise of Acid Search the search function has become useless. Contrary to Apples belief there are other countries on this planet apart from the USA, when I Google I want find results locally in my Country and not somewhere on the other side of the planet.

FInally tabs on top looks odd but I couldn't care less about this or any of the other useless eyecandy because I'll be using Firefox.

Thanks but no thanks Apple.  
(Version 4.0b1)

NORAA  A lot of potential here (I really like the topsites page), but still too buggy for everyday use.  
(Version 4.0b1)

FATAL_SE7EN  Hey everyone who has trouble getting it started, delete glims and install the new one this should fix the problem for anyone who has problems starting safari.  
(Version 4.0b1)

MISCHIVO  Causes Mail.app to crash whenever it checks for new mail. Uninstalled.

Aside from that, tabs don't belong at the topmost part of the window. This is weird and not worth the extra few pixels it saves for viewing the web. Honestly, it's less than 20 pixels; who really cares about that? It looks awful and doesn't seem to follow any of Apple's own guidelines for user interfacing.   
(Version 4.0b1)

BOBMAC  Downloaded and used this version for 45 minutes. It only loaded two of ten pages, gave me mumbo-jumbo 'couldn't find the server' messages on the other (complete baloney, Firefox 'found' them all. Going back to 3.2.1 right now!  
(Version 4.0b1)

JPW  Still very much slower than Camino . . .   
(Version 4.0b1)

DANWAY  Installed the beta version 4.0b1 and I couldn't save e-mails in rich text format, uninstalled and it works again. Weird!  
(Version 4.0b1)

MAC5  Downloaded this beat version and found it would not launch on my new Mac Pro using OS 10.5.6.

Tried all the usual remedies without any success. Reverted back to my previous version and all is well.  
(Version 4.0b1)

HOWIE  Downloaded and installed beta only to find no applications, including Safari would open. Reinstalled the version 3 and all is well.  
(Version 4.0b1)

DANA SUTTON  I can't comment on the speed of this new version: so many factors go into determining how fast a page loads (server speed, carrier bandwidth, etc.) that I have no idea how to isolate the single factor of browser speed. The thing that does impress me as most strikingly different is Top View, which is very easy on the eyeballs and has a lot of potential. But I have a problem with the fact that I can't have full control of precisely what sites it contains. In the first place, I haven't discovered any way of ensuring that pages I do want actually appear in it. In the second, it insists on loading a bunch of pages I haven't ever visited in my life and have no desire to visit, for me they're just clutter. Apple ought to let me have full control of the contents of this page, in accordance with my personal viewing habits, rather than having some guy in Cupertino second-guessing for me. (Or am I missing something about its controls? If I can manage this page, the method certainly isn't very intuitive!)  
(Version 4.0b1)