DP-G4-450GUY  Ignore the open-text comment - I see the right-side

panel stays open from the last session - so I have a

TOC readily available - happy with that.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  I really can't understand what the issue is with installing modules.

The "Help" main menu has now all relevant places where to find help.

We also have now a screen cast on our web page that shows how to install modules.  
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DP-G4-450GUY  Mannfred, it's because as a Mac user, I expect the "Macintosh experience" - ease of use being part of it.

The app is very easy to use - no complaints there.

But a ReadMe with a list of the relavent URL's would be a great edition to have so I don't have to go hunt them down.

I'd even bundle the instruction-movie you made into the installer - the additional size is neglible and it is very helpful.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  Alright, I will think about making a DMG bundle with some more stuff on it.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  Version 2.0.1 had a problem only on Leopard (10.5) systems. It wasn't possible to open a Workspace window.  
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SOUTHPAWAMI  Developer... I was figuring it was a 10.5 issue only. As 10.4 isn't supported anymore as far as I know. The prior macsword I was speaking of crashed after the update, then would not start. I had to go into Application Support through the Library to delete the MacSword folder before it would load up again. After that, it did start, the window just would not display. I deleted the Sword folder as well, but to no avail, it would simply start up and never display a window. I'm sure you've fixed the problem already, and I'll be downloading this version in a moment.  
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TOMEG  I have *never* gotten MacSword 2 to work. I first downloaded v. 2 beta longer than a year ago, having enjoyed using v. 1. I have installed updates to 2 as they have come along, hoping maybe I could get the app to open at some point in development. But, NO. Not once nor ever has it successfully opened. Instead, with each and every install, I have had exactly the same result: on first launch, the app icon bounces 3 or 4 times in the dock, then quits, I always get the standard system alert 'MacSword quit unexpectedly. Click Reopen to open the application again. Click Report to see more detailed information and send a report to Apple.' When I click Reopen, again the app's icon appears in the dock momentarily, then disappears, and that's it.

I have tried everything I can think of, including: trash the app along with its associated files/folders on my hard drive, and Secure Empty Trash, then download move the app from my Downloads Folder to Applications, click to open the app afresh; and it crashes exactly the same as before. I have performed this ritual a great many times, same procedure each and every time an updated version has become available. Nada. Zip. No change.

Believe me, I have been thorough, dogged and determined to eventually conquer this problem, and have done everything I know, consulted with other users taking their advice when it seemed appropriate and safe to do so. I have used Easy Find to root out any and all associated files, etc., each time with success.

As if this weren't the full extent of it, a year ago I (coincidentally) bought a brand new 24" iMac 2.8 GHz 4 Gigs Ram (Max), with a brand new La Cie external hard drive (which works beautifully with Time Machine); OS 10.5 then Snow Leopard when it first came out, installed every Security Update and System Update as it was released - now 10.6.1. [Aside. Boy do I love Snow Leopard, like no other OS X version since 10.1.]

Obviously I'm missing something but I don't know and can't imagine what it might be.

I should have written this Troubleshoot in MacUpdate a long time ago, but, you know, I have faith that a capable sincere developer will eventually catch most if not all the problems, and fix them. I hope writing this will lead (or at least progress) to a solution for my problem.

But now I'm really stumped. (I hate to admit this, since half the fun of owning a Mac is getting more and more involved in the cause to keep Apple at the forefront, and hopefully assist others as I have so many times been assisted to my great pleasure and satisfaction.) And I need help again. I have faith I will get it, and blessings on this project no matter my difficulties.

Tom G  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  TOMEG.

Why do you not write to me directly or to our support forum or to our users mailing list?

A problem description and a crash reporter log and I most probably could have told you what the problem is and how to work around it.

The reason that I can't catch all issues simply is that some don't occur in every environment.

Since our resources in time and test machines is very, very limited this project, as all open source project lives from helping users. This help doesn't need to be in coding but can simply be issue reporting.  
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TOMEG  MANFRED:

With all respect, *I HAVE POSTED THE SAME ISSUE* (though I admit not as rich in historical data) to the crossforge forums). I'm sorry I did not use the crash reporter as you suggest; but, you see, since I could not get MacSword 2 to open in the first place - its crashing every time on launch I as I have described - I saw no crash reporter. I'm also sorry I did not write to you directly on the matter. I confess I really expected my problem would have surfaced long ago from other users experience, and the appropriate fix would have been made. It may sound like nothing other than magical thinking on my part, but, since the program is widely used and popular, and the issue so basic, and my own system setup unremarkable, I thought watchful waiting was the more prudent course of action. So, yes, it is my fault and I'm sorry if this has upset you so much. As to informing you personally at last, consider my previous post your reference to the issue I request help with.

It's not often I fall down in my responsibility as a very long-time Mac user and enthusiast, but a mistake it was and I've learned a valuable lesson. Thanks. Please tell me the most expedient way to allow you to reply to me personally. Sincerely, Tom  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  TOMEG.

I'm not upset.

I couldn't remember you posted this on the Crosswire forums already. Sorry for that.

If you remember that thread, just open it up again or create a new one and I'll try to hunt things down with you.

This issue has most probably to do with an old MacSword 1 module installation base which for some unknown reason crashes MacSword 2.

There are some reports of users for this but I'm just unable to reproduce this problem on my two test machines.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  The application works on Snow Leopard as it does on Leopard.

Why do you say it doesn't work?

Providing only an application bundle is a normal case on Mac OSX systems.

There is no need for an installer. You just drag&drop it so somewhere, then it is installed.

The CrossWire pages are not updated because MacSword 2 is not officially released yet.

I agree that we need to update our wiki pages and such.

But simply put the resources are limited, our spare time is limited. This is an open source software and project. Jump in and update those FAQs or the wiki.

I don't understand what you write about the modules. If you don't know how to install modules that just write to our mailing list or our forum or actually there are enough forum posts which explain exactly how it works.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  As for what you say about the "Sword" folder and modules. Please have a look at our wiki page. Even though it is not up to date it explains how to install modules using the module installer.

http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:MacSword  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  Thanks I'll have a look at those issues.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  This all is possible.

Bookmark folders can be nested. Just click on a bookmark folder and create another folder in in.

In a Bible tab/window commentaries can be added using either context menu on a commentary module in module list, here choose "open in current view" or click on the "+" button in the bible view and add a commentary of your choice.

Doing this will split the view and the commentary is shown below the bible text. Now scrolling in the commentary gets verse synchronized with the bible view or vise versa so that you always see the commentary or commentaries (more commentaries can be added like this) to your current bible verse.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  In case with you mean "footnotes" "colourized commentaries" which appear as blue links in bible text then you just need to either open the "preview panel" or switch on "Show preview as tooltip" in preferences.

This will show footnotes, Strong's number explanations or linked bible verses in the preview window or as tooltip if you keep you mouse pointer 2 secs over the link.  
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PHALERON  Thanks for your help, without which I wouldn't know it was there. The last feature I mentioned is still missing (?). Say I created comments to various verses and want to review them but cannot remember the actual verses to which they belong. How do I access them (the comments) without first navigating to the verse?  
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JPW  A loving God does not "create cancer". Man has chosen to unleash cancer into the genetic pool by pissing therein, i.e., on a large scale by means of environmental degradation, on a smaller scale, by choosing to partake of such activities as cigarette smoking.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  This version should use the module base that is already installed.

Some reports came in that they had to remove their installed modules under:

/Users//Library/Application Support/Sword

and re-install them using the module installer that comes with the application.

BTW: the module installer works the same way as with MacSword 1.4.3.

The interface is simple to use. On the left you have your installed modules and bookmarks.

Double click on a module and it opens. You can check the context menu on most places for available functions.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  Our user and support forum can also be of help:

http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/index  
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MJKPHOTO  I figured it out. Modules installed. Thank you for the reply.

MacSword is a remarkable Bible Study program.  
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MACUPDATE ADMIN  "I send the reports to Apple..."

You should not do that, Apple is not the developer of MacSword, you should send the reports to the developer.  
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LWIEDER  I would contact the developer directly, but I can't find a communication link, or an email address for the developer on MacUpdate, or on (so far as I can see) at MacSword.  
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MACUPDATE ADMIN  mbergmann@crosswire.org is the address we have for this developer.  
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MANFRED BERGMANN  Yes, feedback goes to me, not to Apple.

The crashlog that is part of the crash window can be included in the mail.

Manfred  
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THUS.SPAKE.Z  Hey there, dude. Another "Christian" hypocrite, right? Wish you could hack, slash and stab the unbelievers out of existencee, huh? Or threaten them into accepting the Lord at sword point? Too bad we can't bring back the Crusades for ya.

Anyway, Go Jesus.....kill, kill, kill in his name. Yeah! Slaughter them all. Remember Jesus loves ya, right? Acompanied by a rousing rendition of "Onward Christian Soldiers. no?  
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PONTI  Hey Z, Gaoshan's post just may have been meant as sarcasm. I share your apparent revulsion for hypocritical, intolerant, obnoxious, dogma spewing bible thumpers but you might want to rethink

your barbed response to that post in light of its possible sarcastic intent.  
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BEFF  "Intelletualis amor Dei

Sub specie aeternitatis

Beff  
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HALEAKALARI  in light of your conjugated spinoza citation(s) [although lightly misspelled] i will recant my usage of the word "moron". i am familiar with "spinozaian pantheism" but will note the following; somewhat ironically, its vocabulary/logic is often used to describe or validate the concept of a singular god, especially in regard to judeo-christian esoteric/mystical traditions.

although you could consider this to be negative, it is quite positive to me. a non-personified singular "god concept" which can be argued through reason is highly preferable to a quasi-singular personified "god concept" which can only be argued through repetition. the point is that the judeo-christian concept of god, if one so wishes, can be easily reconciled with "spinozaian pantheism", yielding a kind of logical panentheism. this reconciliation actually allows for the further development/enhancement of [the more stringent and] true monotheism.

in-fact there seem to be many natural parallels and lucid connections between gnostic cosmologies of the judeo-christian persuasion and later "spinozaian pantheism" (which arguably expounds upon certain aristotelian concepts, amongst others as well).

none-the-less, i maintain that the religious scriptures [including non-judeo-christian flavours] of antiquity still hold great value (and rightly so) in the fields of the humanities.  
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BEFF  Hi again , my "vedian" friend.

A missing centum is a world to us, not to horses of Eocene. Feet above ground are relative.

I thought "homo cogitat" where the essence, and that this is a corollary of both my citations.

A singular good will be a to narrow outlook.

Consider this:(norwegian)

"Og når det vise menneske har sett 
at alle ting som lever, lever i
 hans eget selv, blir han omsider fri 
for illusjon. Han ser at alt er ett."


From: Isha Upanishad

Quality of insight vaporize illusion.

Hence my comment:

"Apps with a historical/political angle are of the fruitful flavour".

The historical value of religious phenomenons are not a dispute of mine.

Promoting religious ideas returns complex philosophic thesis.

"Cocaine and religion will both make you high".

Jim Morrison

Van Morrison says in "Dweller On the Threshold":

- Feel the angel of the present

In the mighty crystal fire

Lift me up and soothe my darkness

Let me travel evan higher -

These animations are of human origin. Religious systems abuse human sentiments.

The core idea of any religion is repetition, -every sunday, 5 times a day - and is crucial to its standing.

Referring to South Africa, April 1993, Mandela addressed the nation appealing for calm:

"Tonight I am reaching out to every single South African, black and white, from the very depths of my being. A white man, full of prejudice and hate, came to our country and committed a deed so foul that our whole nation now teeters on the brink of disaster. A white woman, of Afrikaner origin, risked her life so that we may know, and bring to justice, this assassin. The cold-blooded murder of Chris Hani has sent shock waves throughout the country and the world. ...Now is the time for all South Africans to stand together against those who, from any quarter, wish to destroy what Chris Hani gave his life for – the freedom of all of us."

Mr. Mandelas (90 year a few days ago) philosophy has not been repeated in South Africa according to recent news.

The human brain is a small match for the human brain.

MacUpdates admin may not concur us having this discursive at MacUpdate.

I like our saturday-sword-fight, so if another forum is recommended, I´ll join you.

Looking forward to your response. Have a nice week HALEAKALARI.

Best regards from your new found friend; Terje  
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IGREG  I vote that anti Christian bigots be banned from posting on MacUpdate.  
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ST00P!D M0NK3Y  Grow up, Beff. There's also a lot of historical significance to the bible that you seem to be unaware of. I'm not speaking from a Christian standpoint, but you are a close-minded arrogant human being.  
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PAMA91  Version 1.3.4 seems to fixs the problems with the previous version.

Thanks!   
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THEPROFESSOR38  I have just downloaded MacSword 1.3b3, and look forward to becoming familiar with MacSword.  
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UMAROMC  If it's a bible module I'd click the arrow next to "bibles"...  
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ANONYMOUS  Let who slide?

And, we have all been saved. Period. End of story.

God is Love.  
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STEVE  I have been using aprevious version of MacSword, which I thought was really good. Am looking forward to using this updated version especially with the Strongs connection.

Pity that the web site allows bad language and blasphemy though!

Those that express such pityfully weak expressions are abusing the "free speech" concept won by Americans in her early history at great cost.

Remember, early Americans were fervent believers in God, but latter day Americans are sliding like the rest of the world into the abyss of carnality; evidenced by the tirade posted earlier.  
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ANONYMOUS  Do you suppose Jesus would encourage such unkind talk toward others? Or do you really even care?  
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ANONYMOUS  Jesus would send anyone who does not capitalize the word 'Bible' to hell.  
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ANONYMOUS  and any other book in the OT...

;-P  
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ANONYMOUS  Are you trying to mock God's word? How can you be insulted? All you have to do is: DON'T DOWNLOAD IT. For me macsword is an excellent application  
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MACMANX  Words can't describe the sorrow I feel for you.  
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NEIL  I always think for myself.

Remember in the third Matrix, when Neo and Trinity avoid the machine onslaught by going up through the clouds? The Christian (the imperfect fallible Christian) goes up through the clouds, and then comes back down to his world to tell about the incredible sight he has seen.

I don't blame anyone for being suspicious. All this 'Jesus died for your sins' stuff sounds great, but what if I'm wrong?

Fine. But what if I'm not wrong?  
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MINSTREL IN THE GALLERY  MacManX wrote: " Words can't describe the sorrow I feel for you."

The same words Himmler said to a bunch of Jewish before they were slaughtered at an extermination camp. Typical of those blind enough to think they own the truth.

And this time is because God has releaved it.

It'd be funny if it weren't so scary. In fact, the typical Christian.

I feel worried for you, MacManX - such a long way to go, so much to grow... Oh, and Windows is more Christian-like a system, d'you know?  
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BUCHY MAN OOOPSTA  "But what if I'm not wrong?"

And what if it is islamists who are not wrong? Uh-oh, we're slaining them by the pound... and putting out pieces of crap like this soft!

Hate is all religions' way (see MacMan X post), but they call it love.  
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MACMANX  Minstrel in the Gallery, I'd love to see you're facts on that Himmler statement. And, knowing about how he felt about the orders he was given, he may have sincerely meant that. Himmler, an account-turned-general by Hitler really never liked what he had to do, but he did it to avoid being executed. In the end, he took his own life along with he rest of his men in the face of all the pain and tragedy that he helped to cause. I feel sorry for him too, forced to do so much out of fear. Unfortunately, he gets just as much of a bad rap as Hitler, who deserves it. You should sit down with a good documentary, like The Last Days (http://imdb.com/title/tt0174852/). I'm not here to justify anyone's actions, and none of us really can ,since we weren't standing at his side every day of his life. And, if we were, we would have committed suicide with him.

Any who, since it's getting late, hate is not my intent, thought the rest of you seem to be doing a good job at it. Another quote for you is, "Well, the kingdom of Heaven isn't for everyone." It all comes down to faith, not a fight or quarrel. In saying that I feel sorrow for you, I'm not feeling sorrow for you because you don't believe in God, I just feel sorry because you aren't willing to open up and study/respect all cultures and religions. I don't feel sorry for people like you because you're not Christian, I just feel sorry for people like you because you're awful human beings. Shooting down a book that a religious group has sworn their life to is almost like killing your neighbors wife because you "knew she was a bad choice to begin with".

"Typical of those blind enough to think they own the truth."? I may be blind to the truth, but what gives you the right to claim a monopoly on it?

Buchy Man Ooopsta, it's all about faith in what you believe in, and respecting other cultures. If you believe a culture is heading straight for their doom, let them, but don't point it out to them. Let them be happy with what they believe.

To quote Neil, "All this 'Jesus died for your sins' stuff sounds great, but what if I'm wrong?

Fine. But what if I'm not wrong?"  
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MACMANX  And, before all of you Trolls show up to correct my spelling and grammar, let me tell you that it's late on this end of the Earth, and I'm bound make a few mistakes.  
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MACMANX  Words can't describe the sorrow I feel for you.  
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ANONYMOUS  I double-triple dare you to read the Bible. ;-) It was written for you and me.  
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ANONYMOUS  *snickergiggle*

you people really make me laugh  
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ANONYMOUS  ....best documented; well at least there's plenty added along the way 'til this day. One can accumilate a few pages in 2000 years......

does this app. tell us were in the Books history different parts where added, tampered with etc ...??  
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SHANE  Umm... afraid you're just plain ignorant here. When we're talking about manuscripts, we are actually referring to stuff written on papyrus and animal skins. Pages inserted here and there... umm... NO.

If you don't want to follow God for yourself, that's fine, your choice, but don't tell lies in order to try and turn others off.  
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ANONYMOUS  Shane is correct, as I am this comment's original author. The manuscript evidence I am refering to is the copies of the original letters, as we have thousands, as to be able know for certain what the originals themselves had said. Actually, lol, we have more manuscripts than available for Plato's works and, oddly (I know why), his works aren't in dispute.

Note for you, most modern bibles today, such as the NIV, have footnotes as to say what is or isn't based on the best manuscript evidence today.  
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UMAROMC  LOL  
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ANONYMOUS  A person's body is an object, not the person. Just ask all the astral projectors!  
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NEIL2112  Hmm. An atheist commenting in a Bible software review page. That's like me commenting on Microsoft security. I don't because I wouldn't know what I would be talking about. But that's the contradiction of atheism in a nutshell.

btw - God loves atheists too, I know, I was one. That's how I also know how contradictory it is.  
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WOLF  Don't be ridiculous. The atheist made no comment on faith, his comment was about semantics, of which he *does* have knowledge.

If it offends you that he did not wish this review zone to degenerate into an argument about dogma, then address that issue in your own heart and learn tolerance, instead of being so defensive. Know thyself.  
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ANONYMOUS  Download the "source" instead.  
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ANONYMOUS  Your comparison breaks down because, each finger is not FULLY the whole as well. Here's the deal: It's One WHAT(God), Three WHOs(Persons)...as opposed to this: One WHAT(God), Three WHATs(gods). Notice the WHATs and the WHO. They are two different catagories. To confuse the catagories misrepresents the one true triune God's nature. The latter example is a contridiction, the former is not. That is where most people's comparison examples break down. I am WHAT? Human. I am WHO? Tommy. I have only 1 person. God is different than me. God has a total of THREE eternaly existant, eternal seperate persons, where I have only one. He's One WHAT, Three WHOs. Thanks, hope this helps.  
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ANCIENTYGER  Think "water" at the poles or in a glass. where all three states coexist and flow into each other. It's not really that hard to understand. Humans tend to complicate things. If our 'fingerprints' remain in our artwork or creations, why wouldn't God's? Somethings really just don't take that much thought.  
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ANONYMOUS  Incorrect. Your comparison breaks down because the water is not FULLY whole as well. Here's the deal: It's One WHAT(God), Three WHOs(Persons)...as opposed to this: One WHAT(God), Three WHATs(gods). Notice the WHATs and the WHO. They are two different catagories. To confuse the catagories misrepresents the one true triune God's nature. The latter example is a contridiction, the former is not. That is where most people's comparison examples break down. I am WHAT? Human. I am WHO? Tommy. I have only 1 person. God is different than me. God has a total of THREE eternaly existant, eternal seperate persons, where I have only one. He's One WHAT, Three WHOs. Thanks, hope this helps.  
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BROCK SAMSON  >"Humans tend to complicate things"

Yes - by inventing gods, for example.  
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ANONYMOUS  You are correct. There is only ONE GOD, the one true triune God of the Bible. Jesus is that one true triune God. Here's the deal: It's One WHAT(God), Three WHOs(Persons)...as opposed to this: One WHAT(God), Three WHATs(gods). Notice the WHATs and the WHO. They are two different catagories. To confuse the catagories misrepresents the one true triune God's nature. The latter example is a contridiction, the former is not. That is where most people's comparison examples break down. I am WHAT? Human. I am WHO? Tommy. I have only 1 person. God is different than me. God has a total of THREE eternaly existant, eternal seperate persons, where I have only one. He's One WHAT, Three WHOs. Thanks, hope this helps.  
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ANONYMOUS  I would expect that the word BIBLE would tell you that this is the christian God he/she is talking about.  
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ANONYMOUS  Read it to find out. You'll find that there is but ONE GOD. He is the one true triune God, Jesus Christ. The one who spoke, and all creation came into existance. There is no other "god".  
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WILL THIMBLEBY  In reply:

1) If you have problems send me more information at william@macsword.com and I'll do what I can.

2) You can view more than one chapter, just customise the tool-bar to contain the advanced navigation. You can then type j3.16-18;mark or any verse list range that comes to mind even "gen-rev" (might be a little slow though)

3) Searching is slow (sorry) it is however faster in other (non-KVJ) modules.

4) You do need extra modules that contain strongs information to use strongs numbers. Try these:

http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp?modName=StrongsGreek

http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp?modName=StrongsHebrew

-Will  
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JOHN  this is free software, and is based off of open-source software using non-copyrighted material. it is free, as opposed to not-for-profit, or for profit programs.

if you have needs for software that has more features or is better looking, then MacSword is not for you.

also, some translations are still in copyright, meaning the developers would have to pay money to give you something for free, or they would be required to charge for it. the NIV or NKJV are examples of this.

MacSword is good for what it does, and the developers are working to get this looking professional.  
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CHRISTOPH KRUMM  hey!

i cant get ANY modul running in macsword. And I get no suppot. Can you help me how to install modules  
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