STAR_ANTARES  I have been using Desktop Manager (for PPC-- 0.5.3) successfully (I LOVE IT!) with Tiger for many months. However, I recently updated the Mac Software (to Java release 8, Security-update-2009-001, Safari 3.2.1, and Quicktime 7.6) and suddenly I am having the same problems that others have reported: pager and window name only showing in Desktop where DM was launched and not being able to move applications to other windows. It seems like the bugs in DM 0.5.4 have been mimicked by these "upgrades". Any ideas? Might this help debug these problems?  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

AKROBAT  I've a Macbook and an eMac. I use Spaces on my Macbook and was looking for a similar app for my eMac.

All I need is the option to allocate the main menu to the middle mouse button (like Spaces).

Click the middle button, choose a desktop and that's it!

Same problem here as in VirtueDesktops.

Doesn't exist in this app either.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

SUBAR  This is a terrible program for Leopard. It works so well with Tiger, but in Leopard, you can't switch applications between windows. A total failure.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

CURRANB79  I used Desktop Manager on OS 10.4 (for PPC) and LOVED it. When I upgraded to Leopard I was very disappointed with "Spaces" (it was hard to stay on the desktop you wanted to be on--apps kept trying to return to the desktop they'd been opened on, if you toggled between apps on your desktop you were suddenly back on another desktop, etc.) so I disabled it and installed Desktop Manager--but found that it had adopted the same functions as Spaces. I believe I was using 0.5.3 (I'm stuck on a PPC) so I don't know if 0.5.4r1 has overcome whatever it is that makes Spaces so unhelpful.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

NOSALT  Has anybody tried this on Leopard yet??? I REALLY don't like "Spaces" and would like to continue using this on Leopard.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

JMARK  I love desktop manager but when I use the Apple(key)+tab to switch to another program it does not switch to the desktop when I select the program.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

TERRYJONESXP  Desktop Manageris a good product. Here is a list of the features that need to be added to make it even better.

1 . The ability to set a different background imge for each desktop.

2. Prefences /Desktop Pager/Location Please add an option of Top Center

3. Prefences /Name Display/ Position .Please add an option of Top Center.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

ARMATEY007  I just downloaded version 0.5.4r1 onto my new macbookb pro and it works alright... but the desktop name only appears on the desktop which desktop manager was launched from AND I can't move a window from one desktop to another via a hotkey (i've changed the hotkey to a number of different combinations). Has anyone else had this problem?  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

RANDREWS  The only issue that I have with this release is that there was no PPC build supplied. The PPC systems are not going to be going away any time soon so shouldn't updates be ported to both platforms until the PPCs are no longer mainstream? I'd like to see the PPC have the same benefits as the intel platform until the PPC is no longer a viable platform to use. Seems like this is starting to become a trend with other development as well and people are not considering that a number of the G4 and G5 systems purchased in the last year are no where near end of life by any means.

Boo for intel platform getting all the attention.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

MYJL  I'm a Desktop Manager user since ... years. Great piece of software !

I've a new Mac Intel since March, and unfortunately Desktop Manager (0.5.3) is less stable than on my old Powerbook.

The most ennoying bug is that the "Desktop Pager" is displayed on the virtual window on which Desktop Manager has been launched only.

And this bug stills exist in the version 0.5.4r1.

Please, could you fix this in the next release ?

Thanks a lot !  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

MAHOJAS  Great application. Keep up the good work! What would really make this perfect is when you could cmd-tab switch from one application window to another, which are located on various desktops. Is this possible?  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

CONKMASTA-FLEX  Simple and easy to use.. I highly recommend this app, it's brilliant.

However, I would like it to take advantage of the motion-sensor/light-sensor technology like VirtueDesktop does (a similar app that crashes far too often on my 2.16 GHz Intel). It would also be great to have the ability to "drag-n-drop" windows into other desktops.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

INSANELYONE  Just downloaded Desktop Manager and am loving it. Previously used YouControl Desktops but I finding I like the simplicity of this software better. And you can't beat the price!

Does anyone know how to contact the developer? I'd like to get my hands on the source code but the version that's on the BerliOS site is 2 years old (0.5.3).   
(Version 0.5.4r1)

CARMENM  Seems to be most stable virtual desktops manager.

A little bug, i dont see the bezel when changing desktop, and the move to desktop feature doesnt work.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

PEPPERDANKY  The display bezel shows up on the previous desktop when switching, not the one you are switching to. Also, the display desktop name only seems to work with the most recent desktop you activate the preference on.

Using a MacBook C2D with 10.4.9.  
(Version 0.5.4r1)

SISYPHUS  wow, that was fast -- problem addressed. Desktop Manager is easy to use, lightweight, and more stable than other apps like Virtue.   
(Version 0.5.4r1)

SISYPHUS  i really like desktop manager, preferring it to virtue or other similar apps. however, the same issue comes up in this new intel version as in the past PPC version (written to system.log)

/Applications/Desktop Manager.app/Contents/MacOS/Desktop Manager: The function CGSCreateDictionary is obsolete and will be removed in a Tiger update. Unfortunately, this app, or a library it uses, is using this obsolete function, and is thereby contributing to an overall degradation of system performance.

i wrote to the developer about this in the PPC version and they said they would address it, but, it's still there. If they fix this, i'll dump virtue and use it.  
(Version 0.5.4)

JONEDWARDS  A nice application with most of the features of its competitors (though a few are absent, if only because this was released in 2005). Less buggy than some of the others, too, but still fraught with a few on 10.4.

Usable, but not perfect.  
(Version 0.5.3)

RUSSELL GLEASON  Great application, used it for several years. NOW IF THEY COULD ONLY DO THE SAME THING WITH DASHBOARD (have multiple dashboards) !!!  
(Version 0.5.3)

JUSTINNORMAN  After a couple of years, Desktop Manager continues to be on my (very short) list of OS X startup programs. Even though it hasn't been updated in a long time, it still tops VirtueDesktops (in my opinion) by including the ability to put the desktop pager in the menubar, which is the only place I ever use it. Simple, stable, and potentially very useful for those who work in multiple applications simultaneously and like to have their work organized.  
(Version 0.5.3)

THREEDEE912  With lots of windows on my desktop, this app is great. Almost no bugs, except for when you quit with windows on other desktops, you lose them!  
(Version 0.5.3)

GREEDO  I've managed to build a Universal Binary of 0.5.3 - seems to work mostly. Sorry if something you use doesn't. Hopefully the dev guy will release 0.6 one day...

http://www.arenasoftware.com/grepsoft/DesktopManagerUB-0.5.3.dmg

Thanks

mrad01  
(Version 0.5.3)

ALUAKZ  Solid. Works fine. Crashed only once so far. The only disadvantage was mentioned earlier. It does not open the screen of the active application.  
(Version 0.5.3)

JCEZANNA54  Since I discovered olvwm and its virtual screens with a pager, it was in 90 (yes 1990), I can't work without pager.

desktop manager has only one problem, it doesn't foreground the window of the active application (if you choose it with (apple-tab) )

As my first work on any new system i get is to look for a pager, I tried about 6, and it is the best.  
(Version 0.5.3)

HOCKNEY  I have been using this desktop manager now for 2 years and it is the best! I tried many others with fail and then happen to run upon this one and tried it and have not moved from it since.   
(Version 0.5.3)

HUSSAIN  Works fine and quite speedy on Intel so can't wait for a Universal version  
(Version 0.5.3)

PFBPFB  For my work-style, this is a must-have utility!

Setting up a 4 or 6 desktops, with fast switching and cube effects, then re-assigning the desktop switch hotkey to something really easy like Command-Right_Arrow makes this a super cool, easy to use tool!  
(Version 0.5.3)

RANMATURUSSA  Let me tell you a story.

In 1998 my college roommate showed me a nifty thing his Linux computer could do--if he moved the cursor to the left or right, a new desktop showed up. He had FOUR desktops in total!

This blew my freakin' mind. I couldn't help but think of all that extra screen real estate that could be used for multitasking. Oh how I very much wanted a similar system for my very own.

This was in the dark days when I was using other peoples' PCs because I was too poor to have a Mac. I tried programs that affected this ability for Windows, and they all were buggy, crashed, and were generally inefficient. Today I found this program for OS X, and I want to cry for joy. Finally an efficient program that switches desktops that works.

I cannot thank the developer enough. This is exactly what I have wanted for seven years.  
(Version 0.5.3)

MATREX  Wow. thats all ive got to say. this is definatly one of the best apps out there. do you have any way we can donate? becuase honestly this is the best freeware and one of the best apps ever.  
(Version 0.5.3)

TUNER EQUALIZER  When I'm doing a lot of work and I want to concentrate, I fire up Desktop Manager.

Professional Mac users should really get this.  
(Version 0.5.3)

STATSMAN  Fantastic piece of software. I switched over from Linux to OS-X about a year ago and dreamed about having a desktop manager this nice. The developer really should be praised for this excellent product!

5 stars.  
(Version 0.5.3)

JOSé FIGUEROA-O'FARRILL  I really like Desktop Manager. It has quickly become essential for me and due to the following lines in /var/log/asl.log, I have gotten worried that it will stop working after the next upgrade. The lines in question are all of the form:

[Time ...] [Facility user] [Sender /Applications/Desktop Manager.app/Contents/MacOS/Desktop Manager] [PID -1] [Message The function FUNCTION is obsolete. Use of this function may cause an overall degradation in the performance of this application, or of the system as a whole.] [Level 3] [UID -2] [GID -2] [Host ...]

and the FUNCTIONs in question are:

CGSCreateDictionary

CGSDictionary

CGSDictionaryObjectForKey

CGSDictionarySetObjectForKey

CGSGetElementForCStringKey

CGSReadObjectFromCString

CGSSetGStateAttribute

Cheers, José  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  this helps a lot. I just wish you can assign a different wallpaper to each virtual desktop.  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Awesome program!

I wouldn't manage without it. Now I'm not that desperate about getting an iMac due to my iBooks small screen.

I do however miss the ability to view all desktops at once, in a somewhat "reveal all" way in Exposé.

I also miss the ability to flag on/off whether it should be launched at login or not. Other programs have this function, without having to add it through Accounts manually.

But those are minor cosmetics.

5 5s.  
(Version 0.5.3)

CHLORAN  Great program no problems so far.

G4 at 1.33 on 10.4.2  
(Version 0.5.3)

CYBERGOOBER  Download link broken. Server seems to be down. Anyone know of any mirrors since the project is no longer hosted at sourceforge?  
(Version 0.5.3)

BRIAN  something like this needs to be built into the next update of OS X - Desktop Manager is great though and an excellent product. Freeware too!! 10/10  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  version 0.5.3 works great for me on 10.4.2 incase anyone is wondering.  
(Version 0.5.3)

RHYS STEPHENS  I have been using it for a month now, and this is an amazing piece of software, all 330kb of it! I love the cube rotation, I change desktop's up to 100's of times a day, back and forth.

Great stuff!  
(Version 0.5.3)

GREGORY BREDBECK  One amusing problem arose as I fell in love with this stunning little beauty: the message that pops up to tell you the widget is done should say "disply widget?" or "open widget?" Now it says, "is widget open?", and I kept clicking "no," which was the correct answer. Considering I am an English professor it took an embarassingly long time for me to clue into what the problem was.

It was a great reminder to me of how dastardly English is for all but the minority of us who were born into it, even for a mind-nature as obvioously brilliant as the one behind this gem. This could be the only widget you'll ever need (or want). The angle rotation is a surpsingly useful feature and really above the call of duty to have developed.  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Really should be added to OS X as a standard feature. I used to use this type of thing all the time on workstations. Great job!!  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Perfect desktop manager in Tiger. 6/5  
(Version 0.5.3)

JEFF  This i sabsolutely an amazing software,

100 % Thanks to the the creator for this updated version tat work 100% fine under Tiger

Thanks again

Cheers!  
(Version 0.5.3)

ERIC  Absolutely spectacular. Indespensible.  
(Version 0.5.3)

THOMAS  I'm worried about the 'alpha' status, but no one seems to have issues. I just started using this program and it's so cool and handy. THANK YOU!  
(Version 0.5.3)

ALBERT  does anybody else have problem with cross-fade in tiger? the fade now makes the whole screen very white, not the original fading windows i saw in panther.  
(Version 0.5.3)

JAGOOAH  Great. Does everything it is meant to do and it is free! I would easily pay up to 25 bucks for this...  
(Version 0.5.3)

GARBAGE  Works perfectly for me.

I love it !

Why did'nt i use this in the past??

The price is great also !

MacOS X 10.4.1  
(Version 0.5.3)

PHILLIP 2  I like the idea, I downloaded and tried it, but none of the transitions work at all, not even one of them. Is there a solution to this problem? My Mac is running on Panther system. Can anybody help?  
(Version 0.5.3)

GERRIT VELTHUIS  I love Desktop Manager. Used to work with double monitors, but two of these beautiful Apple Panorama screens are too expensive for me. DM is the solution.

Just one wish.

Automatic switching of desktop when an open app. is chosen in the Dock (I often use a lot of apps and sometimes loose track)  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Beautiful. Though I would love to be able to map mouse buttons to this like exposé  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Awesome. I had to go about a week without it when I got Tiger, and I almost put Panther back on my PowerBook. Thanks, Mr. Wareham!  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Apple owes you: I would not have upgraded to Tiger without the availability of Desktop Manager. It’s one of the most useful utilities out there; it makes work SO much easier.

Rob  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  I was just trying to build an app exactly like this for myself.

you took my Idea!!!!

well at least I dident have to go through the trouble of making it,

I dont get the credit either.  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Thanks for updating for Tiger! I love it!  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  -version 0.6 works pretty good for me  
(Version 0.5.3)

RAVEN  Thx, I was waiting for this nice & good app. Now can I work with Tiger and have the virtuality of Desktop Manager....... I can’t miss this little hackie ;)

Raven  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Cool! ANd i thought this project was dead. :)

now wheres the Virtue Update.... although I do think i like Desktop Manager more... we shall see  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  This was my prefered desktop manager until I found Virtue... which has some features DM does not have...  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  This is by far the best desktop application for OS X... the biggest reason I switched from Linux/Unix.   
(Version 0.5.3)

THE LONDON SUEDE  Excellent. The only reason i did not install 10.4 yet was because i was waiting for this updated version that will work with Tiger.  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  One of the best desktop pager apps for mac...sad to see development stop.  
(Version 0.5.3)

ANONYMOUS  Thanks for the notice about the ftp site. The app is working well so far. I couldn't live without it anymore!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

BOB WEINER  Thanks for that link! I've installed the new DTM from the FTP site and it works great with Tiger.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  For those who are about to update to Tiger... alpha builds of a tiger-compatible version are available at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/desktopmanager/ ... but please note they are alpha quality and therefore subject to frequent updates and crashes and such.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  I am glad to say, that after looking a lot around, I have been able to find, at the developper page, a working version with Tiger. The project seems to be well and alive and fromth e version I have been able to download, it works fine under Tiger.

Hope to have the final one under my hands soon!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Can we expect a Tiger update? Or is this project dead? It hasn't been updated in almost a year. Will we all have to move to Virtue?  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Please make it for Tiger!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  This has to be seen to be believed! I love it!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  this is the best free program ever serious and the tole on the system is even less than i thought

thanks so much

tho i think this should be built in

it is really good  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

KLONDIKE KID - ALASKA  TOO GOOD to be true! Pinch me, I must be dreaming. I'm running dual 19" flatscreens on my G5 and even then never seem to have enough desktop space when running up to ten applications and utilities at once. Even with Expose's help my desktop clutter is a nightmare when working multiple projects across several different programs.

This app has to be the greatest single improvement to OS X utility capabilities since Expose was added. Rich, your program is truly awesome from my perspective and needs. Apple needs to reward you handsomely and incorporate your app into Tiger for sure. After 15 minutes of investigating and trying the multitude of features, I went straight to the Donation link and sent you my thanks. This really is unbelievable. And to think I was nearing the point of buying a second graphics card and adding two additional monitors. You just saved me $800+!

Anyone using laptops will appreciate this app as the best organizer of your screen contents you will encounter. My 14" iBook is now in heaven! Keep up the great work.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

CHRISTOPHER VIGIL  Just downloaded.. very easy to use, simple, very powerful... AMAZING!!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

SLIPPERY  Wow, amazing piece of software, & on a 12inch iBook it rocks big time!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

STRIDER  this is just superb!!

Thank you :)  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  What an amazing program. This is the best piece of freeware of I downloaded lately. Keep up the great work!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  amazing free software  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Brilliant piece of FREE software. I use it on my powerbook and powermac. Have not had a single problem.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ZEITKIND  Just great :)  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  I've used Desktop Manager for months and months and I love it. It's everything I've wanted in a virtual desktop. This is the quintessential OS X application: stable, polished, feature-rich (but not bloated), and just beautiful. They ought to package it with OS X, it's that good. And hey, it's free, and installation (and uninstallation/upgrade) is painless. Give it a try, you'll be happy you did.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

RUSSELL  Okay, the symptom I describe earlier seem to work itself out. I'm running a display resolution of 1600 X 1200 at 85Hz set at thousands of colors and the CUBE transaction feature seems to work okay!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

OKY  I've tried them all and this is the best virtual desktop. It is nice, fast and stable and it is free :-)  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

RUSSELL  Desktop Manager does have ONE major flaw. If you set the SWITCH TRANSITION feature to CUBE and you set your monitor DISPLAY RESOLUTION "at or above 1600 X 1200" the cute little CUBE transition feature fails. How disappointing! It has to be set at 1600 X 1024 or BELOW in order for it to work.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

BRIAN  Simply Great!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ATOL  IMO an essential Mac OS X app  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  I found a solution to the exposé dimming problem (where you press F10 and the application windows tile but the background doesn't dim out). If you disable "show current name on desktop" then it should fix the problem. It did for me anyway.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Yeah this is a cool piece of software. Bravo!!!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

KEN  One of the greatest freeware OS X apps I have ever seen. This is one of the best features in Linux missing in OS X.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

DAVTRI  Totally sweet. I hadn't used a Virtual Desktop on any of my Macs in a while, but use them all the time on other *nix based systems and really missed them on my Power Book. I tried CodeTek's newest offering and found it clunky, to say the least. I often had odd crashes when it was running as well, which is not cool. I stumbled across this application when reading some developer postings on cocoadev and decided to give it a try. I am please to say that it's working flawlessly on my 17" Power Book. No crashes, good options (like autohiding the pager) and the transitions rock! (I am using the cube transition right now). I would highly reccomend this app to anyone.   
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Great and free!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

BRETT  the transitions don't work for me. Other than that this is a great app.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  This is FAR THE COOLEST APP FOR OSX!!!!!

No kidding guys is so awesome and integrates perfect with mac os 10.3

Gongratulations for this perfect and flowless app.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

TURNERM5  Amazing, works perfectly... I love being able to turn on/off all parts of the application. The transitions are amazing. Expose gets a little weird though, but only if I change desktops while using it, which is never.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Simply the best , and free  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

KPS  FIY:

I figured out the problem with the windows changin and effects going away.

It happends when I'm using dual monitors and the app restarts. If I have my laptop up and the app has been started in single monitor, then when I hookup to my other one it just kills the effects, but if the app gets restarted(like on a reboot) and the second monitor is hooked up, the app gets all screwy looking.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

KPS  It's a nice app but I've been seeing issues with it lately(might just be the new build)

Mostly the pager gets tweaked and becomes these little windows and all the switchin effects(and who knows what else) stops functioning.

I wrote the author and never heard back, so I'm posting this to warn anyone who uses it, don't expect it to work perfectly, cause it doesn't.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  First of all, great application, I really love the transitions :) There's one bug with Exposé though, where pressing F10 tiles all the windows of the current application, but it doesn't dim the other windows. For some reason though it does seem to dim the desktop. When I quit Desktop Manager, then Exposé works properly.   
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ROMAN  Am very interested, but am a Os X2.8 user on a first gen titanium 400 powerbook. Can not find Desktop Manager versions older than 0.3.3 and this is also said to only run on Panther X3. Who can direct me to a version that will go for my Os? Thanks  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

SHIKAMARU  This brings one of the features I loved in linux to my mac. It would be great if each desktop could be configured with its own wallpaper.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  I love this program and am glad to see it's being updated. However, I reverted to the last version because "Top-middle" was not an option for the auto-hide attachment locations... Please add it, I'm sure I'm not the only person who likes having the pager there. :)  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  the margin of error for the active edges is too small, just 10px where should be something arround 50px. however, it is a great tool.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  I never try buggy crud that mucks with the desktop, but I DID try this, and I like it. Please keep it up-to-date, esp since Tiger will be coming out. I'll track you down if, after you have hooked me on it's features, you slack off on keeping it up. You've been warned...... Just kidding. Actually, I'm serious.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Hey, you fixed the bug that cause the hot keys in Illustrator CS to be disabled. I didn't not mention the bug as I assumed that other people would tell you about it. Now the application get 5 stars!!!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  It's like Kyoto in the Spring!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

SEVEN5  cmd-opt-O isn't working for me at all.. and why not cmd-opt-S for this key command?  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  Sticky windows?

Oh wow oh wow oh wow!

I didn't think this app could get any better - but it has!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc2)

ANONYMOUS  0.5.2-rc2 link while sourceforge sorts itself out:

http://www-sigproc.eng.cam.ac.uk/~rjw57/dm/DesktopManager-0.5.2-rc2.dmg  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

JACK MINARDI  this has to be the best free program that i use. i have recommended it to all of my friends and they love it. the only reason i gave the stability a 4 is because ity crashed on me once. other than that it is great. i suggest you all download it.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

T  Great app. I have been looking for a workspace manager for while, and finally found something that comes close to what I'm looking for. It isn't finished yet, but it's very useable. Love the cool transitions! I use active edges and the slide effect. It feels like sliding from one desktop to the other. Great! Hope to see more things added in the future. Oh, one more thing, Desktop Manager froze my iBook G4 running Mac OS X 10.3.4 a couple of times after waking up from sleep. So I looked if some other app or driver got conflicted with the app. Finally I removed my SideTrack 0.9 trackpad replacement driver, and my iBook stopped freezing. Not sure if it's really the culprit, but I tested it one more time and again with SideTrack installed, Desktop Manager froze my iBook. So I removed SideTrack permanently and kept Desktop Manager. It was a tough choice.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

TREEHOUSE1/MAC.COM  Keeping the correct download link alive: http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wsmanager/DesktopManager-0.5.2-rc1.dmg

I like to use cross-fade set to a very fast, but not the fastest cross-fade.

AN OUTSTANDING LITTLE PROGRAM.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

ANONYMOUS  this is an awesome app, but it has just a 10px margin of error for the hot corners. it is a little too conservative activating the expose which I've set to use with the hot corners. furthermore, sometimes DM gets very confused with some applications' pallets. however it is a very promising project, the kind of thing that makes me wonder why don't apple guys didn't put into panther.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

ANONYMOUS  Best multi desktop program ever. I could not work a day without it. Version 0.5.2 adds great new features. If you aren't afraid of Alpha quality releases try 0.5.2-rc1. If you are download 0.5.1 it is perfect release quality and has almost as many features as 0.5.2-rc1. Try it you will love it.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

ANONYMOUS  I used to use CodeTek VD.. except in the latest incarnation it became very bloated, and not too fast either.

Not any more.. I use this instead. The performance is excellent, and very stable too. Like the transitions.

Just don't allow feature bloat to set in like CodeTek's similar product...

Excellent Stuff.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

THE UNTOUCHABLE  DM is a great application, it handles the desktops in a very elegant way. thanks a lot to the developer, awesome work!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

DIEGO ZAMBONI  As usual, this new release adds many great new features to an already excellent program. I could not live without DM - great work!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

ANONYMOUS  watch you window's friend envy.  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

GIZ  Great product. Links dead but try http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wsmanager/DesktopManager-0.5.2-rc1.dmg  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

AARON KNIGHT  Excellent piece of software. Works great on my iBook :)  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

SMKSENSEI  This is one of the most used apps on my TiBook, next to Finder it probably IS the most used. While it lacks some of the features that the expensive ones offer, this app features way better transitions and has a way better price. I have NEVER had an issue with this software.

I've been checking the site nearly very day for a new release and here it is!!

However, the link is dead. Please fix soon!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

ANONYMOUS  SF mirror might take a while to sync itself but the file can be downloaded from the file section on http://sf.net/projects/wsmanager/  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

BOB WEINER  couldn't find the latest 0.5.2-rc1 build -- and the Download link appears to be broken. Could someone point me to the download? Thanks!  
(Version 0.5.2-rc1)

BLUEVERTICAL  many kudos to the designer/developer! great job!!! i checked out this and CVD and the fades etc on your app rocks! great transitions. i would love to have the capability of CVD of remembering the locations on reboot. i look forward to seeing this app move forward and grow even better.

keep up the terrific work!!! i will be dropping you a donation for sure.

cheers.

bv.  
(Version 0.5.1)

SPAM SPANDWICH  quite a nice neat app but unfortunately it doesn't fit my main needs. i was looking for a virtual desktop app that would help reduce clutter when working with flash or photoshop's proliferation of palletes on those occasions when i'm forced to work in a single monitor environment: with flash switching between desktop manager screens causes flash's palletes to jump from screen to screen as well and with photoshop, using apple-option-O on any of the palletes in attempt to move it causes desktop manager to freeze. oh well. seven out of ten for being 'almost' useful.  
(Version 0.5.1)

MARTIN B  A great feature would be that some applications always opened on a specific desktop. Not the active desktop.

I, for example have a "chat and mail desktop" I would like that iChat and Proteus and Mail and so on always opened on that desktop even if I start it from another desktop.  
(Version 0.5.1)

EJI  I've been having a problem with DM in which a memory leak (I assume) is eating up hundreds and hudreds of MBs of space.

I have just under 1GB free space on my 10GB iBook internal HD. While running DM 0.5.1, I start getting "Startup Disk Full" warnings (  
(Version 0.5.1)

MARTIN  A must have application! I can´t understad how I could work without it.  
(Version 0.5.1)

RAY (A REALLY HAPPY USER)  I was looking for a program JUST like this. Compared the lot of them and even when you're not comparing prices this program ROCKS !

It does exactly what it is supposed to. The transitions are awesome, really mac-worthy.

and it's free ...   
(Version 0.5.1)

BOB_WEINER  Fast and stable, and the transitions supplied are amazing! I use this program at work -- it's missing some features present in CodeTek's Virtual Desktop, but it also has feautures that CodeTek's doesn't (i.e. window cycling transitions). Great price and great program. Download it! :)  
(Version 0.5.1)

ZZAMBONI  This program just keeps getting better. It's a flawless implementation of multiple desktops. I have not had problems with any of the versions, and the features in 0.5.0 and 0.5.1 make it even more useful. Good work!  
(Version 0.5.1)

KOAPS  Vary Kwel App...

I like the new changes... One thing I would like to see, but not sure if anyone has suggested it yet, would be if you click on a app icon in the dock, it brings the app into the current virtual desktop. This might not be easy to do since apps like terminal are nice to have spread across serveral virtual desktops, so being able to drag a window from one pager window to another(like you can with Linux virtual desktops) might be a more pratical addition to do.

All in all it's a vary good app, haven't had issues with the newer versions(5.1 is gReaT)   
(Version 0.5.1)

ANONYMOUS  Wow! This guy works fast! I make a few suggestions, and they're in already!

I love the new version - it has some great new features which make it even more a pleasure to use.  
(Version 0.5.1)

ANONYMOUS  OMG - this has to be the greatest freeware I have ever seen.

I have seen other shareware and commercial apps. that have some of this functionality but just wait until Windows users at my work see this....

I wonder how long it's gonna take until they try to copy this.

It was like a few months once someone copied Expose

keep up the good work  
(Version 0.5.1)

JEDIK  Very nice. Just keeps getting better each release. I could not start the new version (0.5.1). The report in the Console was:

Attempting to install Dock patch...

pid: 356

remoteCode start: 0x2d2000

remoteCode size: 13772

remoteCode pc: 0x2d3a04

remoteCode end: 0x2d55cc

Feb 12 21:59:38 TiBook crashdump: Started writing crash report to: /Users/macuser/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Desktop Manager.crash.log

Feb 12 21:59:39 TiBook crashdump: Finished writing crash report to: /Users/macuser/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Desktop Manager.crash.log

I trashed the .plist file (net.sf.wsmanager.desktopmanager.plist) and it started fine. I hope this helps someone else. ;)  
(Version 0.5.1)

ANONYMOUS  If any aspiring artists out there want to create some icons for DM, then feel free. Eternal fame in the About Box will be thine reward.  
(Version 0.5.1)

SAM RAE  Great little piece of software. I've been wanting something to do Linux-like multiple desktops for a while, but didn't want to pay for it. Now I have it!

Two features I'd like to see:

1. An option to have the desktop pager show just grey boxes (ala Linux) instead of the application icons. I think it looks a bit messy.

2. Another option for the desktop pager to have just names of desktops (again ala Linux) instead of previews.

I'll be certainly using it from now on. Great stuff.  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  The last version (0.4.2) seemed much more stable than this current version (0.5.0).

I've downgraded back to 0.4.2 until they can get the bugs worked out of this one.  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  Nice, small, clean, but not ready.

Crashes system when setting preferences.

Can't delete default desktop names.  
(Version 0.5.0)

JAKE  Bug:

Running 10.3.2 with all the latest updates off software update.

Was running Stickies, Mail, Safari and iChat. Launched Desktop Manager 0.5, moved to the second window and by accident launched Mail again. Well, it didn't launch, but it drew a white box where the window would've been. I quit it. Quit DM 0.5 and asked it consolidate all the windows. After that, everything was hosed, Safari's google search was missing. Pieces of windows were left on the screen. I quickly restarted, check disk, and rebooted. Nothing wrong now. Kind of a serious bug though.

1. Either need to prevent multiple launches of same program, or...

2. Figure a way for them to be launched simultaneously. (obviously ; ) )

Great start though  
(Version 0.5.0)

MATT DAIR  This Version is truly outstanding... Highly recommend it...   
(Version 0.5.0)

RAVEN!  Still the best form me!

Getting better and better, thx mate  
(Version 0.5.0)

IRAKLEIS  great application, equivalent to VirtualDesktop, but free, ...

Usefull, better & better, Thank you to the developer, ...  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  Looks like Codetek has taken notice - they are now putting out a 'VD Lite' to keep their name from fading away...

Go open source!  
(Version 0.5.0)

LUKE  Just one word: FANTASTIC! Every release new amazing features in less than a 1Mb of executable! Thank you developer for you fantastic work!   
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  Resolved with Deggy -- screenshot now shows clearly this skin doesn't come with Desktop Manager -- appologies for any confusion.  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  This is totally false -- DM is distributed with a totally original skin. I dod use Deggy's skin on my own desktop but DM is ephatically /not/ distributed with it!  
(Version 0.5.0)

DEGGY  The developer has used the skin I designed specifically for CodeTek for their superior Virtual Desktop product without the permission of either me or Codetek. I am not pleased about this and will be seeking further advise and an immediate retraction.  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  Hi, I've been getting literally hundreds of e-mails about DM -- thanks everyone! Because of this though, I can't reply to every single one. Sorry if it appears your e-mail is never read -- I really read every one.  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  WOW! i can't believe how cool this is! one small whacky thing that I can't determine it's a bug or a feature. I use FSPanel in X11 and it appears across all desktops. Guess I'd better go read the readme file ;)  
(Version 0.5.0)

DULLSIMMER  Too good for words. I love this app!  
(Version 0.5.0)

JAL54  Just to let you know I'm donating some money to the cause here so that you can work on this great project some more! I recommend that everyone else does so -- do your bit and the developer will do his... Love the app!  
(Version 0.5.0)

ANONYMOUS  All i can say is WOW! this has been improving by leaps and bounds. Totally awesome. Keep up the good work :-D  
(Version 0.5.0)

RIDMAUR  Absolutely stunning!!!!!

It would be great if a small 'widget' would tell you in which virtual desktop you are; especially if you don't have the pager either in status bar or on the desktop.  
(Version 0.5.0)

CELLO  I'm stunned! This is the greatest system utility I've ever used! Just great! The animations are awesome, as are all other aspects of the appl.

Thank you very much for your effort you put in this tool, Rich!!  
(Version 0.5.0)

MACSTERDAM  in one word: Awesome!!!!!! Can't wait to get to work tomorrow - I'm the only Mac Users in a Windows environment :-D  
(Version 0.5.0)

POM  Just awesome. As was said, it just keeps getting better and better and more stable with every release. Made me change my mind about sticking with CodeTek's VirtualDesktop. And the new transition features, just great ;))

It made me forget the one thing I missed, when I switched from Linux. Very good work.  
(Version 0.5.0)

SHEDDER  Oh my god!

This is a killer app! I've used it since the first beta.. 0.5? I'm wondering what could do when it will be 1.0!

Transitions are so.. wonderful!

Thanx for this wonderful application!

..and it's free too !! :D  
(Version 0.5.0)

SMKSENSEI  Great Product!! Gives me one of the features I most missed from Linux! Keeps getting better with every release. Def worth the price too! :)  
(Version 0.5.0)

JENNIE  OMG the screen transitions are FABULOUS... and you have the CUBE... can I marry you?!?!?!  
(Version 0.5.0)

EJI  Altogether more responsive and more intuitive than previous versions. I haven't spotted any memory or resource problems (then again, I didn't in the last versions, either), nor have I had any glitches in functionality or system conflicts so far. My one caveat is that I believe the system must have Quartz enabled to experience these dazzing desktop switches in 0.5.0 -- my iBook G3 lacks Quartz, and all I get is the standard switch, no matter what option I've selected. All the same, I've trashed CodeTek. DM is alpha freeware and still comes out tops.  
(Version 0.5.0)

BRUNO  Just one word : Great !

No more windows everywhere on the screen, work in one desktop, logs in another and so on...  
(Version 0.4.2)

ANONYMOUS  I'd thought I'd give you guys a heads-up as to what to expect from version 0.5.0. The front news item on http://wsmanager.sf.net/ gives a link to some exciting screen shots. I've also implemented a generic plugin system so now other people can start writing their favourite functionality (albeit to a bit of an unstable API, sorry).  
(Version 0.4.2)

ANONYMOUS  Brilliant, the answer to my prayers. This app has saved my life!  
(Version 0.4.2)

SHMUEL  Still needs quite a bit of work - it looks promising and I'm glad that someone is working on a GNU multi-desktop feature. When I tried to move an app from one desktop to another it started eating all my processor and then hung. Hopefully the interface for moving between desktops will be improved as well as the reliability of this app.  
(Version 0.4.2)

ANONYMOUS  Open Source rocks :)

CTVD kicks ass but I didn't utilize most of the features. This seems to do the trick for me.  
(Version 0.4.2)

LOQUESEA  no issues here that I can detect as yet. does seem to have fixed the memory leak.

works well on my iBook 900MHz / OS 10.3.2  
(Version 0.4.2)

MACATEER  Downloaded and installed application. After playing with prefs a bit, it started to affect my other menu items. After quitting and restarting, all desktop, finder, etc preferences were trashed.

Use at your own risk.  
(Version 0.4.2)

DJDARLEK  I'm still going to wait till i can expose desktops ;)

happy new year everyone :)  
(Version 0.4.2)

I LIKE IT!!  Mr. Wareham, you are impressive. Thanks so much for your work oon this great little app.  
(Version 0.4.2)

ANONYMOUS  Being a long time CodeTek user, but being unhappy having to pay $22.50 for relatively few new features that effect me, I thought I'd give Desktops Manager a try.

Whilst it's lacking in some of the more sophisticated CTVD features (desktop pager, binding applicatons to desktops, etc) it does do what it sets out to do -- and does it quite well.

The biggest plus was Expose working properly, however, the minuses were still a bit strong with this release: 30% CPU usage with 8 desktops (as opposed to 0% to 2% for CTVD with 16 desktops). Someone else noticed the memory leak and it may be that the CVS fixed version corrects this problem as well.

It would also be handy to have some sort of a floating pager concept, as I frequently need to move windows between desktops and keybindings to perform this function take too long and are a bit fiddly (plus, I want to move the window, without moving ME with the window, as is the current behaviour).

One other big bug: When I quit Desktops Manager, open windows not on the current desktop were unretrievable. Restarting allowed me to "Hide" applications, re-quit DM, then re-show applications (and their windows).

Otherwise though, this application is showing great promise and I may well forego my upgrading CTVD and stick with Desktops Manager full time.  
(Version 0.4.1)

GARY  Perfect! I am getting a refund on my purchase of CodeTek Virtual Desktop. This does it all. :)

I'd like to the option for a desktop pager as well as menubar pager.  
(Version 0.4.1)

FXT  excellent start, but version 0.4.1 has a very bad memory leak. use activity monitor.app,

or top, and watch the real memory grow without bound. i fired up 8 desktops and after an hour or so the memory had doubled.   
(Version 0.4.1)

AL  I am addicted.

Honest  
(Version 0.4.1)

[MA]FLYING_MEAT  Man! This software is waaayy to good for me. I do not deserve it in the least. I am unworthy.

:P  
(Version 0.4.1)

HANGON  The best app ever (with launchbar) ...

No extra feature that makes this app clunky.

this app is SIMPLE...this app is FAST...this app is STABLE...PERFECT  
(Version 0.4.0r1)

ANONYMOUS  Desktops Manager + Exposé = Incredible!!!

Can't wait until you can actively move windows (mainly pallettes for Photoshop) between desktops...  
(Version 0.4.0r1)

LOQUESEA  this one works, thanks to the dev! (OS X 10.3.2, iBook 900MHz)  
(Version 0.4.0r1)

ANONYMOUS  Yeah, I think the path SHOULD be:

/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ZeroLink.framework/Versions/A/ZeroLink

(this path exists on my machine)  
(Version 0.4.0)

ANONYMOUS  Yup, missing a library that it needs a link to.

./Desktop Manager can't open library: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ZeroLink.framework/Versions/A/ZeroLink (No such file or directory, errno = 2)

Trace/BPT trap  
(Version 0.4.0)

ANONYMOUS  Doesn't launch on either my iBook G4 or my G5. I am sure that'll be fixed. :)  
(Version 0.4.0)

ROLEARY  It doesn't launch for me either and I can see, in the Terminal, why it won't.

I'm sure it will work, though, so I'll keep checking back.

FWIW: PM G5 Dual 2  
(Version 0.4.0)

ANONYMOUS  The app won't lauch because its looking for something in the path the developer's system has, but not ours. I'm sure it's a quick fix. Be patient, the price is right! And it IS alpha code, so be careful with it.

- John  
(Version 0.4.0)

GROOVLIN  I got the same problem on my G3/400MHZ. Can't start the app.  
(Version 0.4.0)

DRAT  this version (0.4.0) doesn't work on my iBook 900MHz, OSX 10.3.2... i double-clicked on the app and nothing happened. oh well.  
(Version 0.4.0)

ANONYMOUS  Dang!! How did .4 slip by me? I've been limping along with .2 for a while now. =0 (had to ignore desktop 1, but still worked)

Thanks for the hard work!!!  
(Version 0.3.4)

ANONYMOUS  Hey, i was wondering is it ever possible to have different folders on different desktops??

i am trying to make foolders on a desktop but it copys to all of them, Any info would help alot!!!!!!!!!!  
(Version 0.3.4)

SAMUEL BOERHOOP  I am using Desktop Manager in 10.3 Panther.

I put it into my startup folder. The program startup in my menu bar.

But I can't swap to the different Desktops, unless i click again on the Desktop Manager Application.

Any Idea what that might be?  
(Version 0.3.4)

HANGON  The best desktop switcher to me...

free and stable.

perhaps a more convenient way to put a window in an other desktop would be nice.

work flowlessly with exposé.

great little app  
(Version 0.3.4)

MRANDRE  Very good for free, I must say. However, to win me over, I would really like to be able to have programs remember which space they are in, instead of making sure I've switched there before I begin. Workspaces is really good about this. But I like the free, and the nice, minimal interface. If apps remembered where they were, it would be near-perfection.  
(Version 0.3.4)

RAVEN!  Still one of the best and for free!!

I does what it must do!

RaVeN!  
(Version 0.3.4)

ANONYMOUS  Don't try running 0.3.4 on Jaguar. The fix for Panther seems to have borken it for Jaguar, stick with 0.3.3.  
(Version 0.3.4)

ANONYMOUS  I have the same problem with the far left window not working. os x 10.3. Other than that, this is the best desktop manager out!  
(Version 0.3.2)

ANONYMOUS  Yep.. the far left window now does NOT work on 10.3.. hope it get fixed soon :-)

A great piece of work.  
(Version 0.3.2)

RAVEN  Just a little app. with a great purpose!

I love it, and I use it always!  
(Version 0.3.2)

TITOM  Works great!

Just remember

one app can have windows in different desktops.

- to move a window: minimize the window, change to another desktop then unminimize it

(click in the window's icon in the Dock);  
(Version 0.3.2)

POWER200  ....just great software

(need to be optimize for 10.3 but in 10.2.x no PROBLEM!!!)  
(Version 0.3.2)

ANONYMOUS  Has anyone had the problem of not getting all 4 desktops to work? On both versions that I've run on my PB, the first desktop (far left on the pager) is never accessible. I still get the other three (which is still great!) but never the first one.

I'm running Panther, so maybe that's the problem. (Note: Codetek's software won't even run on my system anymore...*crash*)  
(Version 0.3.2)

ANONYMOUS  a great little app brought over from the "linux" concept of clutter-free space. very useful!. i was just thinking a couple days ago, what if mac had this...well, long and behold...

could pass for official version if you ask me.  
(Version 0.3.2)

CLIFF  Oh, and the newer version has the described HotKey functionality which was absent for some reason in the version I previously downloaded. Guess that was just a fluke.  
(Version 0.3.2)

CLIFF  OK let me try to explain myself a little better. If Safari was confined to Desktop #1 it wouldnt be a problem. The problem is that safari WONT stay confined to desktop #1. If I focus Safari on desktop #2 & hit Cmd-N I can get a new window just fine but now Safari is spread out between two virtual desktops. Potentially I can have windows from one app all spread out between four or more desktops.

Now maybe thats the way this app is supposed to work but if it is then I dont get it. If thats the case then I'm exchanging having to hunt around in the dock for having to hunt around in four desktops to find the window I want, even more difficult if the window is convered up by other windows. I dont see how that really saves time or effort. It seems like it makes more sense to force all windows for an open application to remain on the same desktop. Thats the way desktop managers I've used in the past have worked and they were great with the exception of having floating windows rather than a menu extra.

Please dont take this as a criticism. If its working correctly & other users like it then great. Its just counterproductive for me the way it is right now. Judged on all other criteria its a great app I guess. If I could make 3 recomendations:

1) Perhaps add a preference to let the user choose between allowing apps to spread between desktops or forcing all of an apps windows to remain on the same virtual Desktop.

2) Allow certain apps to be ignored by the manager or included in all desktops. In some circumstances it would be nice to have access to some apps at all times. (Safari, iTunes, maybe even the Finder, etc...)

3) Maybe make them "spring loaded" desktops so you can drag between virtual desktops, for example I click a file in desktop three in the finder and drag it to the desktop 1 icon. Desktop 1 (which maybe has my email message I'm composing) activates and I can drop the attachment into the email.

Anyway, I hope it doesnt sound like I'm being rude or anything. I really like the app (especially the transparent icons like the eject icon when desktops are changed). I just wish it were tweaked to be more like the way I work.  
(Version 0.3.2)

ANONYMOUS  What a great idea, I'm looking forward to a replacement for my current desktop switcher.

I've not tried it on Jaguar, but it has issues on Panther. I can switch between desktops and rename them, but they all stay as Desktop 1 when switching. I can only use three of the four deskops. After several switches between desktops it stops working completely.   
(Version 0.3.2)

[MA]FLYING_MEAT  Too cooool! Gacias, monsieur   
(Version 0.3.2)

ANONYMOUS  Yeah! Simple, elegant, and exceedingly useful. This is an outstanding contribution.  
(Version 0.3.2)

TIM BROWN  You can move a window to another desktop, just minimize it into the dock, switch to another desktop and restore the window. :-)  
(Version 0.3.2)

SAVASH KALAY  Great job.  
(Version 0.3.2)

DR.G4  Great! Getting very good!  
(Version 0.3.2)

SEVEN5  This app is getting really good. Its very speedy where Codetek VirtualDesktops gets laggy. I dont need all the features they have (they are my current choice for vDesktops). But this app is really fast.

I need a pager though. I love Codetek's pager, i like to be able to see what is on each desktop to switch to it even faster. I also need a way to move a window to another desktop. Give me these and call me switched!  
(Version 0.3.2)

TIM BROWN  It would be really awsome, if you could have it do a Expose like "Mini-View", where I could press a hotkey and 4 little mini screen shots of each desktop would slide on screen.

This is a great app that is based on the KISS principle of things, and it rocks! I'd even pay for it! Awsome on my 12" iBook, makes 1024x768 almost livable, and now I'm even usin it on my 1600x1200 desktop! :-D  
(Version 0.3.1)

STR3TCHDOG  Very cool app!

I agree that the other software has way too many features. This is nearly perfect!

The only function missing (in my opinion) is the ability to put an apps windows in multiple desktops. For example having palettes in Flash, Photoshop and Illustrator in different desktops from the project would be a great function for Powerbook users with limited screen space.   
(Version 0.3.1)

WAZZAMATTAU  it figures... i can't even bring myself to mention the name of that *other* site, what a disgusting and tangled mess of UN-user friendly HTML that site is...

i stopped using that site when they started using popup windows to harass you to buy their "Pro" (LOL!!!) service... that was maybe 2 years ago now... you'd think that anyone discerning enough to use a Mac would be equally discerning about what websites they use, but no, the sheep/lemmings/morons/idiots line up for the slaughter at that *other* site.

that *other* site just can NOT suck enough...   
(Version 0.3.1)