 | Apr 20 2009 |
HMURCHISON When's the UI going to move away from brushed metal? It's looking pretty dated. (Version 4.0) | |
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 | Apr 21 2009 |
HMURCHISON Disregard it appears the photo above is an old one from the brushed metal days. I saw a more Leopard appropriate UI on one of the Mac Automation sites. Phew. Indigo is too cool to be looking like 2004 tech. (Version 4.0) | |
 | May 8 2009 |
LEE123 really? have you used the app? Why is it so cool? Seems like I cant even buy these control things anywhere but on the web. (Version 4.0.2) | |
 | Jan 8 2007 |
JIMW Thank you for your candid feedback about the direction of your product. I agree with you that X10 does have reliability problems and for someone just starting out it would be best to avoid it if possible. But for those of us that have hundreds of dollars invested in X10 lighting and security systems, with wall outlets and light switched wired with it, It just does not make economic sense to replace it with the more expensive Indigo system. I also suspect that Indigo is not the end to end all but rather a way-point on the path to home automation. I further suspect that in a few years their will be another more advanced and hopefully easier to configure and understand system to replace it. Additionally as far as I know, Indigo, or anyone else other than X10 does not offer an affordable wireless self monitoring security system. All the other systems I have seen are wired, have expensive hardware, and/or must have a professional monitoring service. It just does not make economic sense to me to have to pay for both the security sensors and alarm system, along with a monthly fee for professional monitoring, when there are plenty of alarm companies that will provide the hardware for free if you sign up for a monitoring contract. There seems little difference in the monitoring cost for this, and any difference saved will take a very long time to amortize the cost of a separate purchase of the equipment. With X10, so long as I can live with its quarks, I have an integrated lighting and security system, that when working properly, works very well. The only issue is that occasionally it does not work very well at all, and admittedly it can be very frustrating at times. I wish I knew of a better affordable wireless security/control system other than X10, but so far I have not found one. In any case, it sounds like you sort of agree with me regarding 1.8 in that 2.0 strong points are found in its on-line operation in an always on system. For those that would rather work with a dedicated controller running off-line, it sounds like 1.8 should be adequate and a better value for our needs. Hopefully you still plan to provide any serious bug fixes and Leopard compatibility for it. (Version 2.0b16) | |
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 | Jan 5 2007 |
JIMW I would never argue the point that the previous released version was solid, functioned as advertised and was a decent value. What I will contest is if the added expense of 2.0 is cost effective to the majority of your users. Judging from your web site referral, I am not alone in my concerns. There are a few who feel it is worth it overall as they will use the added features; their are many who feel a particular feature that fits their niche need makes it worth it, but there are also many that feel it the added cost is not effective value for their needs. You may promoting Insteon as the next new thing, but what about users with a major investment in X10? Despite its shortcoming not everyone has the means to toss all their X10 controllers and replace them with the more costly Insteon. Then their is the issue of security systems. Some users like myself have the X10 security system integrated with their controllers. Are we supposed to just throw all that away just so we can have the latest thing - at least for this year. Why should I spend good money on a new system when my old system doesn't need fixing? True it has its quirks and limitations. But does it make good sense to toss hundreds of dollars worth of useable equipment and replace it simply to have the latest revision? I think not. My suggestion would be the have two supported versions of the product - one that provided off line automation basics but full supported all of the technology; and one that had advanced capability with on screen interfaces to support the advanced user or hobbyists. Let your customers buy only the sophistication they need and can use rather than capability they might never have a need for. That sure makes common sense to me. (Version 2.0b15) | |
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 | Jan 5 2007 |
MATTBENDIKSEN You are correct that not everyone will see enough value in the 2.0 features to justify the price increase. For you, the value isn't there. There are enough others that do want the features and are willing to pay for the advanced functionality. I definitely don't think every customer should upgrade to 2.0 just because it is 2.0. If the features they want are there for a price they find acceptable, then they should upgrade. Otherwise, wait for 2.1, 2.5 or even 3.0. There are two classes of users using Indigo: those that leave their Mac on and do advance functionality, and those that don't leave their Mac on and just want basic control. Clearly, 2.0 is targeting the former group. But that isn't because I'm abandoning the latter group. But I have limited development resources, so I have to focus each release around a theme. In this case the theme was client/server and web based control. I also agree that it would be ideal to have two products, or some other way to meet the needs of both customer groups. It wouldn't surprise me if that happens eventually, but again this will take some time to get there. Lastly, I'm not telling anyone to dump their X10 hardware and use INSTEON. I'm not sure why you think I'm encouraging folks to do that... for newbies I definitely push towards INSTEON because it avoids some of the X10 reliability problems. But a majority of the features in Indigo 2.0 work with X10 as well. All of the client/server functionality, built-in web server, control pages, irrigation controller support (the X10 IrrMaster and Rain8 work as well as the INSTEON EZRain) work for the X10 user as well. There isn't much in the way of new X10 hardware hitting the market these days, but we are seeing more and more INSTEON devices. For this reason, you will see more and more INSTEON support in Indigo. But that doesn't mean I'm deprecating any of the X10 functionality. | |
 | Jan 1 2007 |
MATTBENDIKSEN JIMW - Indigo 2.0 does have a free trial version during the beta period. I started the beta period giving away 60 day free trial versions. The beta has ran a bit long, but I've never turned down a request for another trial registration code. Of course, it is your choice as to whether or not you want to test beta software in your home. But several folks do and not offering a beta just because you don't want to trust beta software wouldn't be reasonable to those individuals. As for the price, I welcome you and others to read this support forum thread: http://www.perceptiveautomation.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1780 In short, Indigo 2.0 has matured quite a bit compared to 1.x (it was under development for over 3 years) and I feel increasing the price to the average market value for this type of software was prudent. If you compare Indigo 2.0's price to other home automation software you will see that it is about average. Of course, if someone doesn't find the value in the new features, then they are under no obligation to purchase the upgrade. | |
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 | Dec 31 2006 |
JIMW I agree with ynot. This application has become overpriced. Yes it has a lot of new features but most of the added features are targeted for the control of sophisticated automated multimillion dollar homes of the hobbyist who likes to experiment with automation. In my opinion the majority of average homeowners who just want some light control to make their home seemed 'lived in' when away, will probably never use much less understand most of the new features. The previous version is still working fine for my needs. Besides, charging $200 dollars for a beta version seems a bit arrogant to me. Essentially the developer is asking you to pay you $200 for the privilege of testing their software before they finally release it. In return they offer you a 'complementary' copy of the final version. $200 might be pocket change to mansion owners. but as a working stiff, I have better and more important things to spend my hard earned money on, especially when I a paying for features I will probably never use and the previous version is functions just fine. The new product may be sophisticated and on the cutting edge of automation technology, but who cares if you can't use or don't have the rest of the technology to use it - especially since the program hasn't been completely written and tested yet. If it was finished it would not be labeled as a beta version. Beta means it has yet to be fully tested and may have some bugs in it that need fixing. From my perspective, I certainly do not what to trust my home security system to a potentially buggy piece of software. Besides, most responsible developers release beta versions for free, with expire dates so the product gets as wide distribution and use as possible. Only when the product is finally released do they then charge for it, sometimes giving a discount to testers that report bugs back in a responsible manner for their inconvenience, trouble and efforts. (Version 2.0b14) | |
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 | Jan 1 2007 |
DIABLO943 JIMW said, "Besides, charging $200 dollars for a beta version seems a bit arrogant to me..." As the developer has clearly stated (and is very obvious on the website), the beta is available as a free trial. A long-time Indigo 1.x user, I was excited about trying out the beta. Initially I was a little concerned about the price increase, but after using the application for a week, I am very comfortable with the price and a proud owner of a 2.x license. In fact, with the amazing power, flexibility, and usefulness of this application, it is probably under priced. For example, utilizing Indigo I can control my music collection on a remote computer, view current weather condition, control the Insteon lights in my home, and see activity in my house all via a web browser. In addition I have implemented a proximity system, a sophisticated light automation system, and am planning on switching my irrigation system to Indigo control. All this home automation power running of a 7 year old computer sitting in my basement. All this with only rudimentary scripting skills. The support provided by Perceptive Automation and the active group of users is world class. I have learned so much in the forums about Indigo, Applescript, and home automation it alone justifies the price increase. I would be hard pressed to say that about any other software company I use. Oh. And JIMW, if you can show me a "finished" piece of software without bugs (Apple IIe operating system excluded) I will give you my hat. (Version 2.0b14) | |
 | Sep 28 2006 |
DMARTEL Awesome software (Version 2.0b5) | |
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 | Sep 17 2006 |
DIABLO943 I have used Indigo from its earliest release and up through the current beta of version 2. I use it in my home to automate lights and devices including iTunes. Indigo supports both X10 and INSTEON devices and has allowed me to upgrade my existing X10 devices to the much better INSTEON without ANY trouble. Indigo allows for amazing customization through its excellent implementation of Actionscript support. This allows me to integrate all kinds of amazing things including a Bluetooth proximity detection system to control my house automatically. I cannot say enough good things about this amazing application and the excellent developer responsible for it. The support is first class, the product is stable, and the developer is constantly rolling out new, innovative features. The new (since version 2) client/server structure is phenomenal and I love the web-based control pages that are easy to create and implement. As new INSTEON devices are released, Indigo will grow more and more powerful. I highly recommend this application! (Version 2.0b3) | |
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 | Sep 16 2006 |
YNOT Nice, but overpriced. (Version 2.0b3) | |
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 | Aug 25 2005 |
SMOKEONIT is there anyone who has the powerlinc 1132 usb runnig on 220v in europe??? i don't want to use the CM11, since the powerlinc can run on it's own once it's setup.... please email me @ smokeonit1@mac.com if you have a dealer or link for me... thnx a lot in advance... (Version 1.6.0) | |
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 | Jul 8 2004 |
GREGJSMITH Been very happy with it. I have some scripts including iCal integration at my website. (Version 1.5.2) | |
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 | May 24 2004 |
AXEL The upload to PowerLinc feature is essential to me so that in case of power outage and/or Mac crash on vacation, my X10 events would continue as programmed. Now that it is implemented, time to buy this program. Thanks! (Version 1.5) | |
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 | May 13 2004 |
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KRE SOLBERG Best on Mac. Still lack some features, but very promissing. (Version 1.5b3) | |
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 | Dec 10 2003 |
MURRAY This is the absolute best home automation software on the market. I've looked at all the alternatives (including those for windows) and Indigo wins hands down. (Version 1.3) | |
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